Does your country have bullfighting?
Does your country have bullfighting?
Charles Powell
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Bentley Turner
Unironically yes
Though only Tamils do it
Easton Scott
Sadly we do but every year less people go to see this shit
Gabriel Ramirez
Thomas Smith
No but I would like to see a bullfight. It's sort of a thing with me
David Powell
>el payo
he based
Cameron Hall
no, it's fucking retarded
Daniel Jenkins
I assume you're a vegan.
Brayden Jones
I'm ambivalent towards bullfighting but everytime some self-righteous cunt starts talking shit about the people who like it I feel like putting on the traditional garb and spearing them
Lincoln Bailey
idk, some years ago people were crying obout them still being a thing here but idk what happened at the end.
Oliver Gomez
Ughhh thankfully no. I hate animal Torture and These bulls get tortured very much. Its cruel and no country should do it
Luis Turner
>t. Saint Alypius of Thagaste
Henry James
This so much. Gosh, imagine being entertained by these creatures being tortured. The sole thought of it makes me recoil in disgust. In this day and age, humane treatment of animals should be more widespread!
Robert Nelson
Animals don't have moral agency. There's no need to go down that slippery slope and start asking questions like is torture worse than murder or should there be animal prisons.
Matthew Smith
You assumed wrong, I help my grandparents in the slaughtering of the pigs. I just find unethical to pay for watching how they torture sone animals for fun. I have been to bullfightings and fail to see the appealing and more people are doing the same.
Julian Turner
>unethical
It hurts your fees fees just like accidentally stepping on the accelerator on a car in neutral or watching a sad anime hurts mine. Don't mistake those for the need to have car transmission and fictional character rights.
Evan Phillips
No, it's pretty barbaric desu.
Justin Gray
It's the opposite of barbaric, as Romans practiced it.
Carson Hill
You don't need moral agency to feel pain, retard
Connor Morris
I killed tons of chickens and rabbits but I do it for eating, not for having fun and not in a costume while people cheers how the blood splashes everywhere. My feels are irrelevant but I don’t want my taxes to fund some sadic guys and withouth the government fundings bullfighting would have been dead long time ago.
Leo Young
i get so fucking happy when a bull manages to hit one of those pieces of shit...
they all deserve not to die but to get terribly disfigure tbqh
Nathaniel Barnes
>It hurts your fees fees
Just because you say it like a little kid you're not going to make the concept of morals stop existing.
If you enjoy watching a man torture a drugged up animal you're a savage that should be quartered.
Christian Nelson
Yes , the only thing i can like about it are forcados(pic related) the literaly take the bull by the horns , pretty based luso traditional if you ask me.
Brody Moore
Money better spent than on shitty tve series, Masterchef or shit splatters in the Guggenheim. Bullfighting is a national treasure.
Nothing wrong with pain on itself. The animal kingdom is filled with pain at all times. Even between human pain isn't anything special or necessarily bad.
>ad hominem
Now at least you're making some sense. You're still a retard, but at least you're talking about human matters.
Jacob Taylor
>Nothing wrong with pain on itself. The animal kingdom is filled with pain at all times. Even between human pain isn't anything special or necessarily bad.
Adam Brooks
>it is morally wrong to have hemorrhoids, morality should be a quantitative method of maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain
Ethan Wood
>Those bulls that die are created for that very porpuse, dont know why people gets mad about it.
Kevin Hall
Falacia de falso dilema de libro. No veo casi la tele así que por mí que non pongan un duro en la tele pública.
Alexander Murphy
No es falso dilema por que va a haber un presupuesto de cultura sí o sí.
Luke Morris
Was in Madrid for a few days and it was amazing sadly I didn’t get to see the more extreme one but the one involving horses, don’t remember the name right now. I have to say though horse handling of some of the guys was amazing and the way they baited the bulls with different tricks. I was also very confused by the scores first and what has more significance, for example some guy landed every single hit in the right spot then went down the horse and made the bull kneel but got relatively low score compared to the other guy.
Anyway can’t fathom why some cucks like barselona banned it considering the history and the amount of cultural significance it has for Spain.
Henry Phillips
Si tenemos y es basado
Xavier Carter
Because it is associated with Spanish culture. A true catalonian should only watch "bou embolat" (google it).
Colton Smith
>A toro embolado (in Spanish), bou embolat (in Catalan), roughly meaning 'bull with balls', is a festive activity, typical of many towns in Spain (mainly in the Valencian community and Southern Catalonia), in which a bull that has balls of flammable material attached to its horns, which are set on fire, is set free in the streets at night, and participants dodge the bull when it comes close
wtf!?
Nathan Baker
>City of Valencia to ban ‘bou embolat’ bull-taunting
>Noting that Valencia had already banned the use of wild animals in circuses, the city officials said the ban on the specific bull-baiting practices is part of a concerted effort on the part of the new municipal council to make Valencia into a city that “respects animals”
interesting
Jonathan Thomas
I think they're pretty awesome as well, but you must admit it looks like a bunch of based retards when they try to immobilise the bull.
Jaxson Adams
Is it different in Portugal? I heard they don’t finish off the bull.
Matthew Howard
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Bulls are rescued, don't worry
Easton Bailey
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They aren't killed, no
Nathaniel Sullivan
I see
Adam Roberts
>this is art for mexican
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Parker Cook
Chase Miller
Based Mexicans. Back in the day horses in bullfights would have no protection, so about 2 to 3 horses died for every bull in a corrida. Since soy animal rights campaigners tried to change it, they have to wear some padded armour now.
Thomas Brown
That horse had it coming
Jaxson Gray
I can smell this picture
Ryder Ramirez
Did they use to change horses frequently as well? While I understand they get tired it kinda adds to the excitement if they don’t get to do that.
John Hughes
In a traditional corrida horses only take part in the second phase, where the bull is goaded into charging a mounted lancer who makes him bleed a bit by stabbing him and also to make him drop his head (though ideally with nearly all the force applied by the bull). Nevertheless, you can't really do that if your horse's entrails are all over the ring because of the bull goring it, so horses were changed until two proper stabbings had taken place, then the banderilleros take over.
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Christopher Clark
Yes, they are very good
Landon Hill
Ethan Smith
Just keeping the Roman empires legacy,faggots that dont like it can fuck off
Connor Bailey
I see, thanks for this quite informative. The one I saw it was just the horses and they didn’t have armor, nor did the guys have lances and they were incredibly nimble not stationary ever for a second. Like they dodged the bull sideways or did some maneuvers and then the rider did an overhead strike with a needle like weapon which after landing opened up a flag. After a while they used smaller sized ‘needle’’s and once the bull was weakened or not dead yet or they were sure it would be in a few minutes they got down the horse.
Levi Davis
That seems like a different tradition. Maybe the Toro de la Vega?
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Elijah Diaz
Sadly I didn’t look it up nor had the time to before coming back here so can’t be sure. Though I doubt it’s that one.
Andrew Collins
We have cow fights
Dominic Moore
maybe better for bull to die like hero
Landon Harris
At least se arent cucks like out beta Spanish brother who Run away from the bull
Depends ,but if its killed never killed In the arena
Justin Powell
adding to this the bulls barely got to touch the horses they would bait them near the horses tail which it would maybe graze and then accelerate. The horses themselves were also something else but obviously they got tired quickly.
Gotcha.
Caleb Perez
>7vs1 or 1vs1
Seems like the betas are you
>run away from the bull
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Isaac Clark
Based Iberians for leaving Mexico with this badass tradition.
Ayden Lewis
You telling me that I all the ranchero crowd no one had a gun to mercy kill the horse and they just left him agonizing there
Christopher Ortiz
>ITT meat eaters mad about bullfighting
be consistent you hypocrite fucks
Aiden Flores
We are nice to bulls too
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Ayden Hughes
Eso parece una puta vaca lechera, no un toro bravo
Josiah Evans
>hurr durr how can you be against torturing animals for fun if you consume their flesh? gotcha xd
Vegan retards, everyone.
Benjamin Cox
What you saw is called Rejoneo
Wyatt King
You can wat meat without supporting unecessary animal cruelty
John Hernandez
Ah never mind actually, it’s just called bullfighting on horseback it seems, something along the lines of this I found youtube but there are tons of more vids there:
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Brandon Martin
Portugues basao
Jose James
You can't. You don't need to eat meat. It's not necessary.
Christopher Anderson
Thanks. Was just searching for the proper name.
Colton Jones
For a lot of people it is necessary, but even in countries like ours where we could get by on a vegetarian diet it's not necessary because eating meat does not require unnecessary animal cruelty.
Daniel Gonzalez
>because eating meat does not require unnecessary animal cruelty.
Only if you're eating the carcasses of wildlife animals, in which case you're stealing food from other scavenger creatures and causing them suffering. Eat your soi patties and stop trying to defend the indefensible.
Wyatt Richardson
Why are toreros so hot
Blake Lopez
>7v1
>Never mind that the 1 is 750kg beast
Anglo delusion desu
Colton Edwards
Fighting bulls over 700kgs are too heavy anyway. They should be in the 500-700 range. If anything, it makes the fact that the Spaniards face the bull one at a time even more impressive (I don't disagree that forcados are brave, but I don't consider the Spanish tradition any less brave).
Levi Evans
Sé que ser torero por el el alma en el ruedo
Logan Gomez
>vegan using soi insults
Irony is lost on you.
Landon Ortiz
But the 7 are un-armed, he also have tourieiros its not a Spanish tradition while forcados are Portugal only
Xavier Brown
serious question. My uncle told me one way they get the bulls agitated is by tying a rope/belt around their balls. Is this true?
Eli Cox
>India
>Killing Cows
wat?
Jose Hall
Wildlife animals will die brutal deaths anyway, it is a mercy to kill them quickly, not unnecessary cruelty. Animals in the wild don't just grow old and peacefully lay down to pass on, they become weak and in pain until they either starve to death, freeze to death, or get ripped apart while still alive by predators.
A fast bullet is the most kind thing you can do. Plus animal and habitat conservation are funded by hunters and anglers in the north amrrican model. So you are getting locally sourced, organic, lean, free range, environmentally friendly, antibiotic and hormone free, ethically harvested meat that kills the animal in the most merciful way and you're paying for animal and habitat conservation in the process.
By contrast, large farms for vegitarians or ranches for factory meat eaters seriously deplete habitat for wild animals and loss of habitat is the biggest threat to wildlife. They are also very bad for the environment further threatening all biodiversity on earth.
Aaron Hughes
If you think facing a bull alone with a sword, short pike or banderilla is somehow easier than with seven unarmed mates, you're mistaken. Reason I called it a Spanish tradition is because it's far more widespread there and the "standard" is also set there. Again, I'm not dissing forcados, simply saying that toreros deserve as much respect.
Aaron King
Sounds like an estonian word for a bum or something lmao
Anthony Smith
No need just stabing the bull is more the enough
Jack Williams
No, we openly encourage BLACK BVLLS to fuck and impregnate our women
Nicholas Butler
They say as they support an industry that force feeds, force breds and force injects hormones and then kills the animal
If anything, bulllfighting has nothing on animal farming
Jordan Sullivan
No, also fuck rodeo and everyone who supports that savage behaviour against animals
Connor White
Except I don't support that, I wrote a whole thing about it here
Juan Mitchell
Let me ask you this, utilitarianfags: What if the pleasure that killing a bull brings to the people who watch it is greater than the suffering of the animal? Wouldn't that make killing animals in the most entertaining way desirable?
Thomas Baker
Only faggots seethe about things like this
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Parker Martin
I Norway we have the ancient tradition of cowfighting. We're much more successful than bullfighters.
Jeremiah Roberts
Your argument is basically that since there is a chance animals might experience a painful death, than it is morally justifiable to kill them in a merciful way.
So by your argument I could take a gun, go to the park and kill every duck, dog, cat and every other animal since every animal runs the chance of experiencing a painful death and therefore my actions were morally justifiable as I gave them a merciful death.
Your argument also heavily relies on the concepts of painful and merciful death but you can't just throw these words around. You have to drawn lines and clearly define what to you constitutes a painful and merciful death and back it up with arguments.
It is also pretty weird how you give enough moral consideration to animals as to not want them to experience painful deaths yet your answer to this is with death. The reason why murder is bad is not because it causes pain. Some people get killed in a blink of an eye. The reason murder is bad is because it violates on the bodily autonomy of a person.
Doesn't matter if you go up to a deer and spoon its eyes out, cut its tongue, skin his legs and then slit his throat or simply just shoot him. In both scenario, the bodily autonomy of the being is still being violated.
Same thing with rape. Some victims of rape experience sexual pleasure but it doesn't matter because the reason why most of us are against rape is because it is a violation of the bodily autonomy of a person.
There are really good arguments to morally justify the killing and consumption of animals but your's was not one of them.
John Hughes
Same here, I have slaughtered cows, lambs and goats (never a pig), but i hate the idea of torturing an animal for fun.
I saw a documentary about that, it was pretty interesting.
Carson Rivera
No, we just ride on top of them.
Easton Clark
>Your argument is basically that since there is a chance...
It's not a chance, it's a definite
>take a gun, go to the park and kill every duck, dog, cat and every animal since every animal runs the chance of experiencing a painful death
Those are domestic animals, they have a decent likelihood of a comfortable death. Wild animals have a 0% chance
>You have to drawn lines and clearly define what to you constitutes a painful and merciful death and back it up with arguments.
I don't mind supporting it, I employ a lot of personal restrictions to ensure a quick and ethical harvest. There is a large body of research regarding pain and panic in animals shot with bullets or arrows, I pay attention to that research and base my practices on the least painful and quickest known options
>It is also pretty weird how you give enough moral consideration to animals as to not want them to experience painful deaths
I am saying that wild meat consumption is less harmful than factory farming or industrial plant farming. Hunting is the most ethical way and the best for animals (in North America) considering other options available.
>The reason why murder is bad is not because it causes pain. Some people get killed in a blink of an eye. The reason murder is bad is because it violates on the bodily autonomy of a person.
They aren't humans. I don't want animals to suffer unnecessarily but I do not consider sustenance hunting the same as human murder
>Doesn't matter if you go up to a deer and spoon its eyes out, cut its tongue, skin his legs and then slit his throat or simply just shoot him. In both scenario, the bodily autonomy of the being is still being violated.
One is unnecessarily cruel, the other isn't. My whole argument has been that I don't care for unnecessary cruelty, I accept necessary cruelty though considering the 100% likelihood of a worse death wild animals will face I'm not sure cruelty is even the right word in this case.
Robert Gray
fuck, I love killing bvlls
Gavin Gray
Your argument is so flawed I'd have to write at least 2 pages to point the inconsistencies out.
If you wanna defend meat eating you cannot extend any moral consideration to animals.
If you manage to craft a good argument for meat eating while also extending moral consideration to animals than you're an amazing philosopher.
If you want to justify eating meat, look into ethical egoism. It's the strongest argument for it. The social contract argument is also solid. Whatever you spewed out is a mess.
Keep in mind this is purely an ethical debate. Veganism pretty much will win any argument that involves empirical evidence.
Jacob Hughes
No.
Easton Sanders
This is why Germany is being flood with inmigration