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Finland is this real? Sounds like: "pls dont be sad, here take some money"

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where does the money come from though?

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Rich pipol?

they just tax you more and deflate your wage

From Jewish banks, like all money in this world.

They won't never implement the basic income though, because it would actually work. People would become more independent from corporations and self-sustaining in general, which is something that politicians and bankers don't like at all. It would be easier to start your own company etc.

Current welfare system (for sick people and the unemployed, who are a lot of people) is about the same as that "UBI experiment"

Ofc it will happen, when automation becomes a reality and you have 50% of people out of a job, thats fertile ground for a revolutions, they dont want that, universal basic income will keep people tamed and happy and they get to keep their place at the top

robots

>they just tax you more and deflate your wage
seems like those people are a lot of work
i wonder if we can outright remove them from the system

You are right, but it's "carbon footprint" that will be implemented. Every citizen will be allowed to consume a given amount of energy annually, in the form of food and commodities. There's both an ideological and practical difference between the idea of basic income and that what's coming.

Paying people to be happy, sounds good it does work.

People use UBI money to help themselves. Go take more classes or get certification, use it o help the business and so on and so forth.

that was the idea, in reality it just made people happier but it did not make any difference in peoples ability to find work

Ideally, rich people. I'd be a good form to distribute the wealth a bit while preserving the free market and private property.

It will happen but only in Western Europe. Shitholes like Mexico, Russia, Brazil and the US don't have any reason to provide anything for the unruly bottom half of society when you can just bring out the military and the anti-riot police to dispose of them.

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Energy based "currency", or fixed quotas regarding energy usage, is what they are aiming for with these basic income experiments. That's their goal anyway. It probably goes without saying for everyone that this goes hand in hand with climate change politics and smart grids etc.

Yeah. In Manitoba they biggest benefit was people being more happier and healthier among the people in the trial.

If you want to build a $1500 computer and UBI was 1000 you just have to wait 2 months for your UBI to cover it and the rest of your income that would have gone towards the computer goes towards the house, savings, renovations. You need to make 10k renovations on your house you can wait it out until you get the money and pay off the credit asap when you buy it, buy it with credit, pay half off asap then use the 5k UBI money over 5 months to pay the rest and not get any interest.

But for some they could spend more time with their kids if they so choose to do so

You mean in the case of Manitoba?

but that just means the system was not sustainable. the idea was to help bridge people as they upgrade their education or skills or pursue business ideas. government revenue doesn't run on peoples happiness.
in finlands case, the most recent.

>it makes people happier so we should do it!!
focussing on individual emotions is the stupidest thing you can do as a state

This. It has worked just fine for the past 5 centuries, it will work now

*... with climate change politics, digitalisation of everything, eradication of cash and smart grids etc.

Also Finlands population is very small, like 5M, so they can do all these social experiments

Many pother places do it as well.

Just like all other money? Literally out of thin air.

bank automat

>"pls dont be sad, here take some money" is this reals?
yeah it does work

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browns will never have stable government

The UBI is less than the NEETbux. My NEETbuxs are 1100€ UBI is like 600€

Why do foreigenrs make such big deal out of it? We have an extensive welfare system already this would actually cut it