>turns wartorn wasteland to industrial powerhouse
>makes one of the most starved people some of the most well fed
>eliminates unemployment
>fights against imperialism
>supported worker led revolutions everywhere, leading to a better world in areas they succeeded in, eg cuba and vietnam
why is there so much unjustified criticism against the Soviet Union?
>Stalin had left the Soviet Union in an unenviable state when he died. At least 2.5 million people languished in prison and in labor camps, science and the arts had been subjugated to socialist realism, and agriculture productivity on the whole was meager. The country had only one quarter of the livestock it had had in 1928 and in some areas, there were fewer animals than there had been at the start of World War I. Private plots accounted for at least three quarters of meat, dairy, and produce output. Living standards were low and consumer goods scarce. Moscow was also remarkably isolated and friendless on the international stage; Eastern Europe excluding Yugoslavia was held to the Soviet yoke by military occupation and soon after Stalin's death, revolts would break out everywhere. China paid homage to the departed Soviet leader, but held a series of grudges that would soon boil over. The United States had military bases and nuclear-equipped bomber aircraft surrounding the Soviet Union on three sides, and American aircraft regularly overflew Soviet territory on reconnaissance missions and to parachute agents in. Although the Soviet authorities shot down many of these aircraft and captured most of the agents dropped onto their soil, the psychological effect was immense.
>American fears of Soviet military and especially nuclear capabilities were strong and heavily exaggerated; Moscow's only heavy bomber, the Tu-4, was a direct clone of the B-29 and had no way to get to the United States except on a one way suicide mission and the Soviet nuclear arsenal contained only a handful of weapons
source?
I’m sick of this shit in America. Whenever the USSR is mentioned some retard has to say how it was a dictatorship and how everyone starved just starved. It’s ridiculous.
Good job comrade! 10 rubles have been added into your account!
this sounds like bullshit to me
if it isn't what were the statistics in 1940, ie before the Great Patriotic War?
The good guys lost
>supported worker led revolutions everywhere, leading to a better world in areas they succeeded in, eg cuba and vietnam
This is the only wrong thing here. They fucked everything up, they nurtured the rising lefts which grew to become neo fascism. But what else was there to be done when the US was handing out Blatant fascism.
And whenever someone shows how the USSR effectively gave a place to people where they could at least live life, they ignore and swipe aside the big fucking mass of people who just fucking die starving under capitalism, and call it fair because they had the illusion of freedom to 'get better.'
This is bait
Russia is poor and starving.
>makes one of the most starved people some of the most well fed
Why do tankies refuse to accept forced starvations were a thing? The Holodomor was real.
>Brazil
>criticizes countries for being poor
...but... 100 billion dead becauz communizm
Holodomor deniers are like Holocaust deniers. They are cultists, they don't care for evidence.
>sacrifice millions to make your country decent
>nothing wrong with this
What are the evidences of Holocaust?
>cringe and blue pilled Soviet Union
>based and redpilled Aryan guardian of the east Russian Empire
it was a great tragedy sure, but through those sacrifices the starving eventually got fed, without them russia would stay impoverished and broken
Yeah how much of that was due to the catastrophe of ww2? Doubt Stalin did as much damage as he's hyped up to have done.
>let's genocide the ukranians for the wellbeing of russians
But this is not imperialism
Got any proofs that killing people to ensure the power of a dictator and politicians dominance created food?
Is there anything more cringe than a communist Amerimutt?
but comrade, all the deaths the fascists caused are stalin's faults
That's what happens when Germany comes in and razes 1/3 of Russia like the Hunnic hordes they are
Both had their time, but the Russian Empire failed to educate it's people and keep up in science, focusing too much on prestige, nobility and so on
What type of evidence are you looking for specifically?
You make me sick. How twisted must one be to justify the deaths of millons of innocents by means of some vague alleged wellbeing? As if genocides could ever stand to reason, regardless of justification.
>Knowingly and willingly starving millions of innocent people
>A sacrifice
the forced collectivization led to greater state control over agriculture, which allowed the communist party to industrialize the country even further
Yeah, fuck those 10 million of starved to death russians. There are a WHOLE MILLION of ukranians who eventually got starved too.
would you have preferred many more millions dead in urban russia?
Jesus Christ dude.
People aren’t just numbers.
>innocent people
But they were Ukrainians
Nope its probably the Chicano in California. He should go live in Venezuela.
>THERE WERE 2.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN PRISON!!!!
Even if that's true, guess how many fucking people are incarcerated in the USA right now.
wtf are you talking about nigger, collectivization was such a failure that even Mongolia had to cancel it's program.
And of course you're a spoiled collage millenial white bitch so you will never know how the government seizing your shit and starving your family feels like.
>At least 2.5 million people languished in prison
judging by this metric, the us is just as evil
communism was a fucking mistake
1956 the greatest year, the workers who communists pretend to stand behind rebelling against the dictatorship
Why are so many tankies always these privileged first-world bitches?
Because they are spolied, they never had to fight or struggle for anything in their lives, they don't know what real hunger is because otherwise they would never support such a retarded system
I actually find it funny how most communists come from countries that never had to struggle with it and are well developed
kulaks are not innocent people.
neither are the people who starved them
lol @ all these bolshevik fuckers who got a free pass to immigrate to the USA only to have it slowly turn into USSR 2.0.
guess your escape plan didnt work in the end huh smirnoff?
I see you two have figured it out
As we can see in this thread american communists are the worst.
eh if then cant learn on someone elses mistakes then they gotta learn on their own
As a result of the 1930s collectivization drives, the peasants slaughtered their livestock en masse rather than give them up to the state. The livestock population didn't reach pre-WWI levels again until the 1980s.
Fuck tankies and commie apoligists. My family fled Lithuania from the soviets (where they were deporting women and children to Siberia) for a prosperous life in Australia
Do you even know how the Soviet "legal" system worked? No representation for the accused party and you were guilty until proven innocent, only you weren't proven innocent because your fate was already determined before you set foot in court. There were also an absurdly high amount of criminal offenses in the penal code.
>There were desultory negotiations for a US loan after the war that came to nothing. In the last resort, Stalin had to rely on the sweat of the Russian people. There was work for the millions demobilized from the Soviet army. During the war, there had been some ideological relaxation. Now there was a return to orthodoxy. Stalin had not mellowed in old age--coercion resumed and an army of forced labor was herded into the Gulag Archipelago, the vast network of labor camps east of Moscow. Hundreds of thousands labeled as traitors were transported from the Baltic States, which had been occupied in 1940; many more from all over the USSR were also deported to virtual slavery. The Communist Party was allowed to reemerge as Stalin's instrument of control over Soviet society. There was rigid ideological censorship of science and all forms of culture, even of composers. The party exploited to the maximum the labor of the peasants and the workers. Military heroes were relegated to the status of ordinary citizens.
>The last decade of Stalin's rule was stifling. Terror returned. Stalin's Soviet Union was a country of immense hardship. Nascent internal nationalism was savagely crushed, but could never be entirely suppressed. Jewish national feelings, especially after the foundation of Israel, drew world attention to another aspect of Soviet persecution. Rights taken for granted in the West did not exist in Stalin's Russia.
>A new five year plan was inaugurated in 1946. Enormous difficulties had to be overcome. Soviet statistics need to be treated with caution, but expert Western evaluation confirms that there was a remarkable recovery of Soviet heavy industry, coal, iron and steel, cement, oil, electricity, and transport. As in the 1930s, Stalin's economic plans gave precedence to heavy industry at the expense of consumer goods, so living standards recovered only to a rudimentary level. Draconian labor laws deprived workers of all freedom and exposed them to punishment for lateness or drunkenness. Heavy burdens were laid particularly on the peasantry--the collectives were more tightly regulated and the private plots of peasants were taken away. In 1947, collectivization was extended to the former Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. But agricultural production, unlike industrial activity, hardly recovered from wartime lows. Food was forcibly taken from the peasantry for ridiculously low prices. There was widespread famine in Ukraine in 1946-47. By 1952, grain and potato harvests had still not returned to prewar levels. The failure of collective agriculture remained a permanent feature of the Soviet economy.
>Stalin feared that the Soviet army, as it advanced westward, would become aware of the much higher standard of living enjoyed by the "fascists" and capitalists. The success of Soviet propaganda depended on keeping the Russian peoples away from Western contact. Fraternization with local populations was therefore severely limited where it was allowed to occur at all. Within the Soviet Union, rigid censorship about the outside world continued and a distorted picture of Western hostility and hate was propagated. "Bourgeois" culture was condemned as decadent and everything Soviet praised as superior. The party and Stalin's leadership were glorified for winning the war.
>Stalin's postwar revenge was indiscriminate. The victims of Yalta, those Russians who were forcibly repatriated by the British and Americns after the war from the zones of occupation, were lucky if they ended up in the Gulag Archipelago. Others were simply shot. But these thousands of men, women, and children were just the tip of the iceberg. Whole national groups such as the Muslim Tatars and Kalmycks were deported with great brutality from the Caucasus when it was reoccupied by Soviet armies in 1943-44. Possibly more than one million people were collectively punished and deported. Stalin's ferocity exposed his fanatical determination to wipe out any danger to "Russian" communist power and Soviet unity from within. The years up to Stalin's death in 1953 were as brutal as the 1930s had been. Stalin ruled by coercion and terror--he was omnipresent, yet totally remote, never meeting the Russian people face to face. His character was in Khrushchev's words "capricious and despotic", brutal tendencies that only increased as his faculties weakened in his old age. Yet he never lacked henchmen and supporters for his policies, policies that no one man could have carried through alone. Coercion and terror formed one essential element; the other was compliance. To this end, Stalin's immediate helpers received material benefits; for the rest of the population, socialist idealism was perverted by propaganda. An army of slave laborers in the Gulag Archipelago, housed there for one reason or another, arbitrary or not, provided the forced labor needed for Soviet recovery.
how many millions of people have to die for people to realise its a shit system
>die starving under capitalism
We have never had a country that has utilized Capitalism as a system without corporate and federal leeches subverting it. That is to say that true Capitalism has not been tried yet.
>By the NKVD's own count, 627,000 people were shot in 1937-38
Yeah sure, there was "no legal representation", meanwhile the western system is completely non-bias and everything they is God's own truth. Of course the western nations are going to say the USSR had a corrupt court system and their justice was false, they say that about fucking anyone they don't like.
hi tankie
america isnt any better