Redpill me biz

>Edward Snowden said ZEC's privacy tech is legit.
This pretty much invalidates any other opinion Edward Snowden has since it outs him as a fucking idiot.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>just post a pic of a bear and laugh at it

That's all you Monerocucks do nowadays.

this thread shows how much of a fucking idiots you fucking nerds are. Buy zcash

Alright go ahead and buy something with Dero. Show us proof.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>put up a statement that doesn't even relate to anything already said

Keep trying Monerocuck.

Edward Snowden can't even code.

Your shitcoin has less than 1 btc volume. You're like lamden shills fudding eth or any other smart contract platform in the top 100.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>whine about low volume on low volume exchanges

You don't yet Monerocuck?

XMR is unironically the only real privacy coin

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What are you even talking about, retard? Secret mining? Lol. YOU have to show proof that this happened. It didn't, you sad bagholder.

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techcrunch.com/2018/05/08/coinhive-malware-may-troy-mursch/

inb4 you don't even read the article and just continue to FUD Dero like the mindless Monerocuck you are

lmao do you even know who Edward Snowden is. XMR is a shitcoin which uses outdated technology. Zcash is supported by the fucking jews you fucking retard

The tech right now doesn't matter because both monero and zec are unusable and the plan is to adopt zkstarks. Therefore I would choose whatever is on gemini and maybe coinbase. And that's zcash.

Oh, and here's ANOTHER article:

finder.com.au/cryptocurrency-mining-insider-all-pow-coins-have-secret-asics

You faggot Monerocucks always flood into Dero threads about how "MUH ASICs" yet you fail to mention that ASICs were raping the Monero network for over a year prior:

"they had been mining on these secret ASICs since early 2017, and got almost a full year of secret mining in before discovery. The ROI on those secret ASICs was massive, and gave the group more than enough money to try again with other ASIC resistant coins"

Then whenever this is brought up, you ignore it and then continue to spew lies.

This. Dero's source code is fully viewable for anyone to see. Every person who can actually read it have all given it positive reviews. Dero is literally the first cryptocurrency ever to have a working BlockDAG. But NOOOO, I'm sure a coin with secret mining for over a year and multiple security breaches is the most SECURE crypto on the market today, delusional Monerocuck!

Keep coping shitcoiner.
You can't even sell your bags, how sad.

Dero has far superior tech than Zcash and Monero combined : better scaling, faster, doesn't require any trusted hardware.

Holy shit you fucking idiot, you really deserve toose your money on DERO.

EVERYONE KNOWS that there are botnets that mine Monero. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that. By the way, you can use the same botnets to mine Dero because Dero uses the same CryptoNote protocol as Monero. There are dozens of CryptoNote coins that can be mined with coinhive you retard, Monero is just the most profitable one.

Have you tried mining Dero? Haven't you noticed that it uses the same mining software as Monero?

Pic related is your money fading away.

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>Zcoin
>Mix your transactions with ALL the transactions after yours, not just with 4 like in XMR
>Still an option to do the transaction publicly
>MTP mining is the first true ASIC resistant algorithm.
>Get ~2% ROI per MONTH with a masternode for holding bags.
Do some research and it's not really a question.

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Dead coin. If op wants a low marketcap coin, he should pick zencash which is backed by silbert and iohk.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>keep coping

You're the only one coping to me.

>EVERYONE KNOWS that there are botnets that mine Monero. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And yet you faggots literally never shut up about how ASICs are mining on the Dero network. That's all you faggots flood Dero threads with nonstop nowadays with. The rest of us have moved on while it's just ASICS ASICS ASICS every single Dero thread ever.

>posts picture of coin value going down when nearly every single cypto right now is going down

>don't dispute any of Dero's technology
>just whine about coin price and other things that don't affect Dero's legitimacy

>0.7 btc volume
>shilled on biz every day
Sure. I don't really care.

Have fun with your mining attacks

Every pow coin is subject to 51 attacks. Don't really see your point.
Bch could be attacked by any miner with over 5% of bitcoin's hashrate.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>gets maybe one thread on Jow Forums per day, and that one thread is a faggot FUDDING it

Stay salty Monerocuck

Lel

Wrong. Dero has survived up to an 80% attack no problem.

Im just boasting that the MTP algorithm will change the game. The mining is memory intensive and most GPUs and CPU will have similar hashrates. This will bring true decentralization and safety to the network.
Zencash is a cool project, but I think it's trying to achieve too many things at the same time.

>they had been mining on these secret ASICs since early 2017
So what? They fixed it. Isn't Dero ASIC friendly?

No offense, but you do realize that ASICs will find a workaround the MTP algorithm within weeks if that coin has any possible value, right? This is the reason Dero gave up on its ASIC-resistant algorithm in the first place. Unless Zcoin plans on updating its algorithm every other week, it's not going to work.

Your bags must be heavy.
Did you know that Deros source code license prevents forking off the coin? This means Dero is completely centralized in Captains hands. If Captain decides to do something that 99.99% of the community disapproves of, the community cannot fork away, and their coins become worthless.
This is why open source (as in libre) is so important in crypto, and why releasing the source code was such a big deal. Dero people are the same people who bought Verge, they have no clue at all about blockchains or crypto in general.

Also, you complain that Monero was secretly mined by ASICs and then stopped it, while Dero can currently be secretly mined with ASICs?

No serious team gonna adopt algorithm that discard IoT system, that why ASIC-resistance is futile.

>all those people had over 51% of the hashrate of the Monero network for over a year
>So what?

The state of Monerocucks.

>Did you know that Deros source code license prevents forking off the coin?

Okay? And this has stopped other crypto projects how exactly?

>If Captain decides to do something that 99.99% of the community disapproves of, the community cannot fork away, and their coins become worthless.

Yes, because he's going to spend a year's worth of time rewriting a Monero fork into GO, adding bulletproofs, adding a BlockDAG, adding a GUI wallet, adding a VM, adding smart contracts, and putting up with 9 months of FUD from Monerocucks to just say "nah I'm done bruh :^)" and dump the project.

Great use of his time there.

>they have no clue at all about blockchains or crypto in general.

Do you even know what a BlockDAG is? Do you have any idea how a BlockDAG completely removes double spends? Do you have any idea how 51% attacks are basically impossible thanks to the BlockDAG structure?

Why don't you all give us a crash course on how a Blockchain is so much more superior to a BlockDAG since you're so much more technically literate than I am.

This is true, but that doesn't mean it'll be good for price since many might not give a flying fuck as long as it's private enough.

False; Gemini, one of few US regulated crypto exchanges, has only 3 coins listed: BTC, ETH, ZEC. Coinbase is also considering it.

Fuck off

Listen, OP, the fact is that ZCash is going to recieve some large institutional investment that Monero wont, and the other anons on here are overestimating how much the market will eventually care about the tiny bit of extra purity that Monero brings. You can make provably private transactions in ZCash and that's enough for most.

It doesn't habe update every week. The algorithm just uses so much memory that creating ASICs for it wouldn't make sense financially, it's just too expensive.
It's in testnet right now.

As I said, you have no clue why blockchain was even invented.
It is supposed to be trustless, and to be trustless it needs to be decentralized. Because of the license issue, Dero is 100% centralized in Captains hands, and you have to 100% trust him.
Dero is a private crypto. If Dero gets big, all the NSA needs to do to destroy Dero is to pay Captain to implement a backdoor or something similar. He can even do it completely public, the community cant do anything about it.

This is a fundamental flaw of Dero.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>just use an expletive thinking it makes you sound mature

Decentralization is about preventing power centralization like government or banks, not by the devs.

Dero doesn't use satoshi consensus, you can't vote by forks, because the main chain can't even soft fork.

Dero has been built with satoshi's vision in mind, though.

short term: zec until coinbase pump
long term xmr is the only real privacy coin.

You don't understand. Captain holds all the power and the community cant do anything about it. When ETH decided to reverse the DAO hack, the people who didnt like it forked off ETC. If Captain decides to implement a 50% miner dev-fee and 99% of the community doesnt like it, tough luck, your coins just got worthless, cant fork.

>Dero
Again, fuck off

Again, I ask you why would someone destroy his own creation? Why would someone spend 10+ months creating all of this just to destroy it in a few minutes? This isn't some copy of Monero code, either. It's literally the first crypto EVER, see EVER, to have a functioning BlockDAG. Do you have any idea what a BlockDAG even is?

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Monero
>no counter-argument against Dero
>just use an expletive thinking it makes you sound mature

No one is talking about destroying their own creation. I just gave you exaggerated examples. Do you think Bitcoin Core thought they would "destroy their creation" when they decided to not increase the blocksize? No, they thought it was the best decision for their coin. But clearly, a lot of people thought that was a horrible idea and wanted to increase the blocksize, so they created BCH. This is a fundamental property of a cryptocurrency, that you can fork it. It is absolutely needed for trustlessness and decentralization.
Another example is Monero itself, which was created as a fork off the original cryptonote coin. If cryptonote was released under a restricting license like Dero, Monero and all the other CryptoNote coins, and Dero itself, would not exist today.

If you seriously think it is not a big deal, then you cant be helped.

I'm done arguing with you. If you want to continue this argument, actually go to Dero's discord yourself and let the devs actually put you in your place. I'm done correcting your lies over and over again, okay? I'm just done.

Be a man, go to their Discord, and see why you are 100% wrong in all of your lies. Otherwise, just continue FUDDING Dero on Jow Forums every day, Jow Forums is literally not going to make a single % of a choice in the matter when this thing takes off.

>no rebuttal of legitimate claim against Dero
>no counter-argument
>claims he has refuted lies while he didnt do so once
>probably realized i got a valid argument here and is at the end of his knowledge

You should still think about what I said in private, you dont need to reply. Just think if you really want to invest in such a flawed coin and continue to shill it.

discordapp com/invite/pWeJHXW

This is my last post in this thread. I'm done arguing in loops with you about the same questions that have been answered hundreds of times. Respond to this post, get your last word in, and move on, or go to the Discord and continue so you can be corrected of your false info.

50/50 Xmr/Zec

>Dero already has bulletproofs
PERFECT. Implementing techs that wasn't full audited yet. Very nice joke, user.

Easy when you are a Crypto Researcher internationally known for your work and you are the chairman of most prestigious Bitcoin conference.

>that level of delusion
kek

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Neither can compare to DERO

Captain qualifies as an auditor himself, he is head and shoulders above many of them

>Dero
The pajeets are everywhere today.

dero = shitty biz bagholder coin similar to link in its irrelevance
Monero = only coin guaranteed to moon other than Bitcoin. Monero is the last guaranteed mega moon. It’s still too hard to use

Zec $304k april

They're both good.
Zcash is still recovering from a 51% attack iirc, so monero is a better choice rn.

>doesn't waiting or caring about the independent external audits
>trusting in just a single internal audit
>"Okay, it's safe"
LMAO

That's the level of the team and the project.

Exactly 1 Year Ago:

> ZCash - $230
> Monero - $49

Today:

> ZCash - $158
> Monero - $93

Also enjoy the fact that ZCash still is going to inflate 4 X times it's current supply and keep being a shitty investment while Monero only has a couple of million left in supply to mine before tail emission. The fucking inflation, rewards to the founders, dev etc, almost ensures ZCash will keep losing value unless there is a major bull market like 2017.

ZCash has been a shitty investment despite being pushed Silbert into exchanges and into the Grayscale Investment Trust ETP, etc. If you want to keep being stupid and keep losing money, keep buying ZCash.

Monero is actually accepted in a lot of DNMs whereas nobody uses ZCash.

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>False; Gemini, one of few US regulated crypto exchanges, has only 3 coins listed: BTC, ETH, ZEC
>A literal who exchange has literal whocoins
You got me

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This this the founder and CEO of the zcash electric coin company.

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Obviously bitcoin is unusable as money though.

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There's only one good option.

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Less blurry

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based

kek, saved

really cringeworthy seeing how many people here desperately trying to shill anything other than monero as a privacy coin.

even monero isn't perfect, not even close, but trying to convince anybody that anything is better, utter cringe.

Masari is trying to fix this

ASIC's will exist for MTP, but they will only be slightly better than GPU's. ASIC's have been out on ZCash and Ethereum for months and they are still profitable to mine with GPU's. ZCoin will slowly get taken over by miners but because of MTP the process will take years.

Peter Todd knows ZCoin is superior, don't wait before the masses figure it out. Oh and did you know ZCash transactions take around 7 to generate, ZCoin transactions take about a millisecond to generate. The Zerocoin protocol is simply superior to the Zerocash protocol.

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gemini carries zcash
coinbase is listing zcash
you should buy zcash

monero is a meme

The fact that there are still comparisons being made between some random "privacy" shitcoin and Monero shows how uneducated people are in this space.

Monero is the only coin with a chance of making it that has organic supporters.

No one but a few silicon valley fags and Mossad will push Zcash because every average person supports the forks without the Jew mining tax. But the forks will never make it. It's like thinking Masari will overtake Monero. Zero chance.

Get on team Monero if you want to make it.

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coinbase custody is exploring adding XMR storage, that's a step forward. zcash still isn't a guaranteed coinbase listing either

if gemini has zcash, coinbase will too.

This exactly.

Monero is a fork... there is a long road before adoption.

Literally only Monero.

They are even improving up zk-snarks to make it more trustless and then working to add it as well for extra privacy

Zcash doesn't even use Z-addresses by default

Unironically Bitcoin Private.

It was the first cryptonote coin to have any real network effect. The z forks have had enough time to show they haven't done enough to be bigger than zcash.

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Zcash is fucking garbage. Just look at the emission curve coupled with the obscene "founder's reward", an absolute fucking joke.

yeah monero is real efficient too checking every fucking block

Please tell me more sir.

The gui wallet has improved by leaps and bounds in 2018. Finally able to use with my ledger nano too,which is great

nothing with "bitcoin" in it's name that isn't BTC will ever see any adoption, usage, or non-speculator investment. don't embarrass yourself.

dyor