Is there a country you just can’t fucking stand...

Well the forest of Tasmania looks neat and contains plenty of food I guess

Victoria or Tasmania. Although Victoria will still hit 30 in the summer.

Lots of primary industry and increasingly tourism.

So does Guyana, yet you wouldn't go there

Remember how they used to be top tier shitposters but now their posts are just actual shit? Like not even funny or anything, just bottom of the barrel shit posts?

They have reached the decadent phase. Resting on their laurels as master shitposters by reutation so have gotten lazy.

I've notice they've been rather pissy lately
or at least a few of them have been.

Yes, USA and Canada

Thanks, are you a native or just a knower ? How strangers are perceived in tasmania ? 30°, I can handle that

Not the same local population

>For me the biggest thing about Australia is how everyone acts like they are such hard, sickcunt Aussoe battlahs when they are actually pooftahs who live in a nanny state and hide their insecurities by “banter”.

this, same for UK flags. really cringy.

noticed both of these

I am a Brit in Australia using a proxy. I can't tell you much about Tasmania beyond general knowledge or what I've heard from people. Most coastal places in Australia are generally cooler than you expect, barring occasional heat waves. The extremes are inland.

Are you good there ? I mean life, compared to britain ? Were you a city dweller back in UK or a countryman, what about now ?

I've moved from a city in the UK to a rural area in Australia. It is boring out here and I don't plan to stay where I am for a long time, but it's my partners hometown so it's been easier to settle where she already has roots. Financially I do much better here, lower income jobs are much better paid than in the UK. Prices here are different. Fuel and meat for for example are cheap but day to day household goods cost more. Where I live work has always been easy to find. I'd imagine it's even easier in the cities if you're eager. House prices in the big cities are ridiculous though (Sydney/Melbourne)

Thanks for all the precisions chap, I appreciate

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You should come out on a working holiday visa if you want to get a feel for the place. You'll have a great time.

Ok I will check this out. Is it easy to have one ?

How are you planning to get in? Just because its hard as shit to immigrate without an Australian wife.
We just have high immig because the demand is so off the charts and it looks worse than it is because so many Asians are here temporarily

Yeah mate as long as you're not a convicted sex offender and pay the $200 or so fee

The vast majority of our foreign temporary visas and immigrants are from the UK. These stats aren't hard to find.
I suggest you spend a little more time seeking primary sources for your worldview instead of swallowing horse shit from Jow Forums, wholesale.

First of all like user said earlier a holliday working visa I guess ?
Once you have a stable job autorities won't kick your ass off I suppose, I don't want to leech of australian state if it concerns you

I'm clean

Stop coping guys. People have been saying this for several years. Still waiting for this to come into fruition with the exception of butthurt Asian-Australian posters.

It's just for two years but it'll help you decide, get a feel for things and make some connections. If you're lucky you might meet an Aussie girl or find an employer who'll sponsor you, but most likely not. Do you have any skills or qualifications?

yea can't fucking stand arrogant bastard yanks

Aussies and Kiwis are pretty fucking based and generally the best posters on this joke of a board.

>I am a Brit in Australia using a proxy
literally why

Why the fuck do seppos always get so monumentally asshurt about Aussies? Is it that you pathetic softcocks get offended by some swearing and banter?

>Do you have any skills or qualifications?
I studied laboratory science, I didn't get my degree but I have the experience, it's about laboratory technician job. Aside of this I've worked in a wide area of domains, agricultural, factories, delivery, pastry maker, drug maker (pharmaceutical industry)...

What? Im saying if you go into the city it looks like we are the Jow Forums meme but most are temporary and we do have good borders.
Mabye, most visas are temporary. To get citizenship cold turkey you basically need to prove you can do a job not a single person in the country can and be sponsored by a company the whole time.
Oh yeah im not saying you're leeching, it isn't a huge issue here anyway. Its more like we're already growing at double the rate of America or the UK and its already one of the hardest places to get into. So just keep it in mind

I think it's because Australia is rich and big like USA but without mass shootings, with good health system and banter. They are jealous because Australia is USA 2.0, the upgraded edition.

nah you should be proud they have an inferiority complex towards australians

Ok I take notes mate

>without mass shootings
spoke too soon lad, some cunt just shot dead 6 people in Darwin

They have an inferiority complex in general. Just look at how they interact with euros, they get monumentally asshurt at any criticism. Its like they get raised where they're told they're continually the best yet can't handle getting told otherwise

Jow Forums is banned by my ISP.

There's plenty of agricultural work and food processing here.

me too, telstra did a dns block after the christchurch shootings, though only a dns block which I already bypassed

You know what I mean though. Violent crime rates in Australia and New Zealand is much lower than USA.

Your inferiority complex is cute

I don't understand how to bypass it. I need off the Telstra train anyway. They're non-stop trouble.

NZ is Aussie's little brother, don't you have a big brother you admire?

That's what I thought, I can already imagine all the shitty banter I could get from a cunt farmer from the bush, and it's really great. Farming is australia is mainly meat breeding iirc ? Cows and such

If you go into your dns and change it to 1.1.1.1 or something. And clear some cache through the console. It'll be online

How easy is it to turn the working holiday visa into permanent residence?

>don't you have a big brother you admire

yikes, no.

literally google how to change your dns server, it takes two seconds
Fuck telstra, worthless virtue signalling cucks

>flag illiterate
I'm a kiwi, not aussie. I'm just sticking up for Australia because this thread was quite frankly rude and not humorous at all.

>american education
Why do yanks always think NZ and Australian flags are the same? Retards

Must have hit home if you use the same insult against other people in the same thread

You'll get loads of banter from them. It depends where you are, there are huge grain regions that are dry all summer but come to life in the winter rain. Up in Queensland there's lot of tropical fruits, sugar cane and cattle farming. Deep inland NSW, SA, WA, NT all have cattle ranches over huge areas, they require loads of grazing room with it being so dry. South Australia grows a lot of wine grapes for domestic consumption plus export. I assume colder climate/European fruit and veg must be grown mainly in Victoria and Tasmania, but I don't really know. There's that many climates here that nearly everything is homegrown and huge quantities are exported with so much land and so few people. Tasmania has fisheries, forestry and is up and coming in white wine.

I'll have to give it a go.

Depends on if you have an in-demand qualification or skills. If so, then it should be fairly straight forward. If not then you'd need luck on your side and a boss or partner who liked you enough to sponsor you.

They'll cope with "flags look the same", but if anyone is on Jow Forums for a few days, they are bound to see multiple posts by kiwis, so would be quickly accustomed to the red star on our flags versus the white flags on yours.
I assume anyone who misidentifies the New Zealand flag as either an extreme newfag or an idiot, both should lurk moar or fuck off.

Only boomers, gen x and millenials who paid attention in HS social studies class in NZ are still SEETHING over Rainbow Warrior. If you are in your 20s or younger, most people won't care or even know about Rainbow Warrior.

I have an idea, lets call the seppos, malaysians because their flag has red and yellow stripes

You seem really aware on the country's agricultural aspect it's impressive.
I've never tasted australian wine but if I have the occasion I'd give it a try, especially for the white tasmanian. Have you tasted one ? Is it liquorous and sweet or more of a dry wine like german ones ?
And how are the farms there ? More like american ones or southern UK ?

My last english teacher told me that it's still something in the collective minde but I'd rather trust you. NZ is awesome, nature there is amazing and people very charming, but I don't really want to live in a city, and job situation in NZ looks more precarious especially in the countryside

Australians do very good Red Wines, most from around the Barossa Valley in South Australia. New Zealand does some good white wines imo, but generally I prefer Reds.

Australia is probably a better place to immigrate to. The job market is bigger and the economy is stronger. You’re more than welcome to come here though mon ami.

I've watched a documentary on new zealand about a former univeristy teacher who went in autonomy far from villages and cities. Sometimes he came back in the civilisation, some local pubs filled with rural people, gosh you guys are chill and kind. I'll think about it albeit the asutralian aventure seems more pragmatic, thanks fren.

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I'm out in the sticks remember, so it's all I've been working in since arriving. That and a bit of the old autism. I'd not had an Tasmanian white wines, but they high up my list to try. I'm going to buy plenty when my family come over to visit.
It depends how you mean? And I don't know much about American farming, or even British compared to Australia as I was a city dweller back home. Although the one thing I found surprising was the amount of small time family farmers still in business.

This. South Australian reds are very good, but go in a shop here for white wines and Kiwi stuff is everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if New Zealand produces more white wine than Australia (cask stuff excluded).

Nice one. I reckon this would be sneaky as hell if done in any SEA related thread.

I can tell you're a wine connoisseur. My mum tells me that aussie reds and kiwi whites are best as well. I'm a wine pleb and poorfag so I don't have enough experience to make a judgement call yet.

Was your English teacher a kiwi? How old was she roughly?
I can understand you not immigrating here for work reasons, since 15% of kiwis live in Australia, mainly for better opportunities in life. However I secretly wish guys like you would immigrate here, because we get a lot of immigrants who don't go to Australia because they're too scared of getting bantered out of the country. NZ has the friendly stereotype unlike Australia, so we get a lot of insufferable cunts moving here who aren't cut out for Australia.
There is lots of agricultural work in rural NZ, but if you don't want to do that, you'll probably have to move to cities. I can't speak for North Island, but in South Island there are two big cities (Dunedin and Christchurch) and two small cities (Invercargill and Nelson). The 2 big cities are shitholes while the 2 small ones are reasonably comfy.

Eh good, curiosity is what makes us humans.

>Although the one thing I found surprising was the amount of small time family farmers still in business.
From what I've seen from my trip in sussex, this looks like british farms. In another scale I've already seen cattle driving with helicopters in straya so.... it could be a mix between enormous farms and smaller ones and that's really cool, people might buy locally which is very smart.

It was a he, pure bred french. He was a good lad, around 45. I don't care about high wages, I'm from middle/middle high class and I came to the conclusion that money is a tool, not an objective, or you'll miss something in life. I like agricultural work, in fact I like every kind of work that isn't repetitive and allows you to see the outside. I thought rural jobs would be easier to find in australia ?

Our dairy industry is huge. Small farms don't really exist here anymore though, only mega farms. I have no idea how easy it would be to get rural work in Australia, however I know overall they have more work there, which is why so many kiwis move there. If you want to work in the dairy industry, New Zealand would be your best bet by far. We produce a significant percentage of the world's milk despite being a small nation.

Rural industry basically relys purely on temporary foreign workers because they don't need to be paid as much as Australians.

I honestly can't comprehend hatred and I'm not even that nice of a person either.

America is not an island.

NZ relies a lot on temporary foreign workers in our agriculture industry as well. Labour wants the agriculture industry to hire more kiwis, but the farmers are scared of hiring some lazy drop-kick.

Not our fault you don't understand self-deprecation, David.

>New Zealand would be your best bet by far
Lol really ? Hmm. Also if you have megafarms I think that they ask for experimented farmers or at least some degrees in agronomy. I will consider it, make my reasearchs. How is the visa delivery, basically australian or there are significant specificities ?

>and women with brown hair and light eyes

So basically ethnic Brits.
Their women probably don't look that good even with those traits.

I don't know the specifics, but I do know that we are easier to immigrate into than Australia across the board. Even though the new govenrnment tightened immigration criteria, immigration to work on farms is still soft because our economy relies on agriculture.

Someone I know owns a property out in rural Victoria and it's nice out there.

There's a Swiss bloke who built his house by hand with his brother and can stay completely off-grid in terms of electricity, heating and water. He owns quite a bit of land, a lot of it bush, but also grows all his own fruit and vegetables, brews and distils alcohol, is constantly preserving meat or pickling something, hunts for meat and for a hobby, raises a small number of livestock for dairy and eggs but mostly for onsale.

There's a core of locals, mostly in or near town, who have been in the area for generations but there are also a lot of people who have moved there and have a lot of privacy and quite comfortable lives. I guess you might have trouble getting work since a lot of it is family farms or foreign corporate-owned lumber mills but there is stuff around especially if you're not fussy; most young people leave because they want a long-term career but if you care more about the lifestyle then you can definitely make things work in that sort of region; costs of living are quite low.

It can get hot but it's one of the coldest parts of the country; they sometimes have white Christmases there.

As for women - give up.

Ok thank you user. Who are your immigrants, where do they come from ? Here farm workers are polish

It was more a joke than an actual criteria...

most of the farm work is by euro backpackers and islanders

Instructive post

>As for women - give up.
Elaborate ?

Islanders, you mean maoris/aborigins ? I've hears they're good blokes

yeah polynesians. They're pretty nice but big fuckers. Also they get the fuck scammed out of them by labour company's.
There are fuck all women compared to men rurally.

>There are fuck all women compared to men rurally
Oh. Same thing everywhere I guess. Might just try to find a woman here and get her with me then

>how everyone acts like they are such hard, sickcunt Aussoe battlahs
A dumb stereotype invented by non-aussies. Everyone here is just as insecure as the last person you met

Most of the dairy farm workers are Fillipino.

Only in the orchards.

Dude, aussies are known by your neighbours for being confident. Insecure for aussie standards like your own is more confident than what is seen as insecure in other countries.

Islanders in NZ mean non-Maori Polynesians.

I don't want to sound incel-tier, but I wouldn't be suprised if French women were better than kiwi and aussie women. Lower class kiwi women are usually plain, middle class girls are usually pretty. Both lower class and middle class aussie girls are usually pretty. NZ and Aus don't have upper class girls, unlike France (I assume you have an upper class like UK). However kiwi and aussie girls don't act sophisticated like many French girls.

Oh okay.

Non maori polynesians come from Caledonia or other small islands around ?

I feel like it's a hyperbolic image purported by the tourism sector of Australia and bogans merely adopted it. There is in no way im confident by any stretch of the imagination but i guess that's anecdotal

I don't want to be incel-tier neither, but I think that you overestimate the french girl. They can be obnoxious, rude, most of them don't know basics in cooking. If you think that sophistication means spending hundreds in worthless clothes and hygienic creams then ok, you got your french girl. Sorry for the dellusion

I don't feel like Brits are fake or act tough as much as Aussies. Just their lower classes maybe. I feel like with Brits it is mainly a lot of arrogance but coupled with irony and self deprecation, which admittedly makes the arrogance a bit more tolerable than American style arrogance which lacks all self awareness. But hey The US is actually in a position to be arrogant.

The anti intellectual culture of Australia is also foul--it is as bad as African American macho anti intellectualism. Uni is for gay cunts, books are for pooftahs. Do a trade like a real sickcunt, go to the gym, go to festivals. That’s fucking it. Puke.

It kind of irritates me how little Australia’s sterling global reputation is deserved.

Kek did you have an argument with an aussie recently who btfo you? You make astute observations and i agree wholeheartedly but i don't think you need to get this personally flustered over it

Samoa, Fiji and Tonga usually. However nowadays they tend to live in the cities and work there instead of work on orchards. Orchards are usually picked by Euro backpackers now.

He comes across as an urban middle class Australian who LARPs as an upper class Brit (NZ has heaps of these types as well) who hates his country because of banter from ordinary aussie blokes and left for Japan to be an English teacher.

I assumed American military

>aussie hate thread
>turns into a aussie tourism/information thread
5d chess

>Considering moving to asutralia, any ideas
You're better off asking somewhere else.

Australia posters are filled with immigrants or the children of immigrants (I am one of them), about 50% is non-white or at the very least foreign (Singaporean, Indian, Serbian, Turkish, Iraqi etc). This is a very accurate reflection of the youth demographics in Australia and the ongoing muttification. The government tries to fudge the numbers out of fear but the truth is out there. We own this country.

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What kind of fruits ? And you think that wages allow to live alone or you need roommates ?

Burger btfo
:^)

Thread's been comfy, only nice and instructive answers so far. Poor bruce mistaken as a dumb bogan

This is called cope