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Kayden Thompson
>pride month This shit is US only. Stop forcing your trash on the rest of the world.
I'm considering ordering some shr00ms. Still on the fence. Should I?
Carter Stewart
nah
Noah Bailey
fuck drugs. With that said, do whatever you want. I'm against everything from alcohol down.
Sebastian Reyes
do it you'll regret not doing so
Dylan Miller
I dunno man. Shrooms are a bit different IMO. They grow naturally. They are meant to be picked up and consumed, as Mother Nature intended. They don't need to be chemically synthesized, like, say LSD.
Caleb Hernandez
Might as well try everything once
Connor Roberts
That's a dumb rationale. Cannabis is a wild plant as well, so is tobacco. Doesn't mean that smoking is good, because the act inherently harms your lungs. I assume you eat the mushrooms; i mean i doubt they will kill you but hallucinogens tend to mess with the brain as you age. We have tons of hippies here from the 60's and their brains are all fried. i fear for the future of this world.
Elijah Green
fuck bureaucracy
Tyler Wood
at the end you're gonna regret listening to an incel in a Vietnamese weaving forum and not doing it just try it, so at least your can know how it feels
Adrian Reyes
>being against drugs is a bad thing >muh can't knock it until you try it I swear, if I ever get any moniker of power, I'm gonna come down hard on you fucks. I'll make them dump alcohol in the streets like they did in Prohibition. I'll drop napalm on cannabis and opium fields, and put actual punishments on drug use and trafficking.
I mean all these people complaining about throwing cannabis dealers into prison because it's expensive. I have a cheaper alternative - all those costs of taking care of those fucks can go to bullets and ropes
The addictive potential of shrooms, both physical and psychological, is negligible though - particularly compared to alcohol, tobacco and even weed. There is also no risk of fucking yourself up by accidentally consuming poor quality stuff. LSD for instance is quite hard to make and requires a lab setup and a good understading of the chemistry behind the process; making LSD can produce a lot of dangerous by-products if you don't know what you're doing, so buying a bunch of acid from your local Afro-American trader does come with certain risks. Shrooms on the other hand are a completely natural product containing no harmful substances.
Not only anecdotal evidence but also proper studies suggest that a shroom trip can have a huge positive impact on your life. > Almost one-third of the subjects reported that the experience was the single most meaningful or spiritually significant event of their lives, and over two-thirds reported it among their five most spiritually significant events. About two-thirds indicated that the experience increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.[32] Even after 14 months, those who reported mystical experiences scored on average 4 percentage points higher on the personality trait of Openness/Intellect; personality traits are normally stable across the lifespan for adults.
>The addictive potential of shrooms, both physical and psychological, is negligible though It's not addiction that I care about. There is a moral disconnect between using substances which influence the mind and body to a way where it affects our perception of the world. When you use drugs, you are handing your body over to the chemicals, and you are subjecting yourself to a degenerate scene of users who put the substances before life, and actively combat the four cardinal virtues.
You seriously trust the words of (((people))) who say you should consume drugs? Sounds like the same kind of people who trust MSM and Jewish psychological outlets which try to tell people that trannies kill themselves because we shame them. The people who do those surveys have an agenda, a pro-drug and pro-social agenda. My objection comes on a purely moral and normative basis. You won't die from using them, nor will you likely become addicted like you would with a drug such as heroin. However, in regards to personal character, it should be avoided.
>and you are subjecting yourself to a degenerate scene of users who put the substances before life wat I am interested in taking shrooms on my own with no involvement of any scene or group or agenda.
>You seriously trust the words of (((people))) who say you should consume drugs? Except, the kind of (((people))) you are probably talking about are staunchly anti-drugs. If this doesn't make you think, I don't think anything does.
>However, in regards to personal character, it should be avoided. There is substantial evidence that tripping on shrooms can actually help you grow as a person. It's a kind of drug that has a way different impact on your brain compared to the usual suspects (weed, booze etc). This is why I am interested in shrooms and not other drugs.
William Wright
>I am interested in taking shrooms on my own with no involvement of any scene or group or agenda. Your use of the drug brings you into the culture. You do not have to consume drugs with a group of people to join that culture; all you need to do is consume cannabis to be considered a stoner. The scene I am referring to is a culture, not an organization. >Except, the kind of (((people))) you are probably talking about are staunchly anti-drugs. No they're not. They were able to conquer and subvert Western civilization through sex and drugs, and any associated art, music, and social norms. Big pharma is overwhelmingly ran by (((them))) >There is substantial evidence that tripping on shrooms can actually help you grow as a person. No it doesn't; just look at the kinds of people that consume the drug. That should speak for itself. I do not care how the high is different than consumption of alcohol or cannabis; the fact is it alters your body and mind in a way that psychologically disconnects you from the world. That is the problem I have with hallucinogen use, a just and moral society does not have to be afraid of the physical world and how it works for (and against) them.
>Your use of the drug brings you into the culture. What a load of bullshit. >culture X does Y so if you do Y that means you're part of culture X This is one of the oldest fallacies in the book. Come on.
>No they're not. Yes they are. All governments on earth (and we all know who the people in charge really are) prohibit the vast majority of drugs. Big pharma doesn't exactly go out campaigning for the legalization of psychedelika either. What are you smoking?
>just look at the kinds of people that consume the drug. That should speak for itself. What kind of inane logic is this? >just look at the kinds of people that browse Jow Forums. That should speak for itself.
>I do not care how the high It is in fact not a high. The effect is completely different.
>a just and moral society does not have to be afraid of the physical world This an extremely stupid "argument" and you should be smart enough to acknowledge it yourself. I am not afraid of the physical world, and I am not interested in tripping on shrooms in order to escape it temporarily. My life is pretty dope, low-key triggering normies by being a perma-NEET is great. I have never tried any other drugs but alcohol. I'm not a dude legalize it 420 blaze it dude weed lmao dude. My interest in shrooms stems from the innately human quality called curiosity.
>This is one of the oldest fallacies in the book. Come on. I don't care about what you consider to be a logical fallacy. They said the slippery slope was a fallacy, and argued so when they were trying to get gay marriage legalized at the state level, before the Supreme Court defied the will of the people and legalized it without our consent. What happened next - well, the gay rights movement became the LGBT movement, then the LGBT movement became the LGBTQ+ movement. It's actually rather ironic given the theme of this thread, but they proved the slippery slope "fallacy" was indeed a genuine concern. Give an inch, they'll take a mile. The same is being done with drugs now that cannabis has been legalized (Denver legalized the very mushrooms you want to consume) I don't care about your perceived academic guidelines for reasoning. There are legitimate problems and those various rules have allowed the left to run wild in eroding the fabric of our society. I am not disputing that Jow Forums users are any good - in my opinion so far it seems like I'm the only virtuous one, maybe Trieste but he doesn't talk personal stuff - but I have staunch beliefs. I'm not demanding you follow them, but I instead insist you at least question your decision to consume hallucinogens. >I am not afraid of the physical world >My interest in shrooms stems from the innately human quality called curiosity. Once again, poor rationale. Curiosity is not an excuse to try something which doesn't only erode your own personal ethos, but society's ethos as well. You can do whatever you want with life, and you can even say that you do indeed only do certain sorts of drugs. Eventually that same "curiosity" will drive you to other drugs, especially hallucinogens, such as cannabis, LSD, DMT, etc.
I have had interest in many things. Alcohol consumption, sexual intercourse, tattoos, etc. However, I used my moral compass to drive myself away from those things because they pose a danger to myself.
cigars at sunset on the beach are top-tier >if I ever get any moniker of power you won't this d00d its just a plant vs mushrooms are a female conspiracy
Aiden Garcia
so you don't consume drugs? never drank coffee or coke? never taken medicine
Cameron Torres
>caffeine I oppose the consumption of energy drinks. Anything at coke, coffee, or below won't kill you, nor does it harm the moral fabric of society. >never taken medicine I refuse to consume aspirin, or the painkillers they give you. I chose not to use the vicodin they give you from wisdom teeth extraction (prob to get you hooked on big pharma's cock). It's not like over the counter stuff does anything anyway, but i don't consume anything crazy.
Scrutinizing me for drinking a coke or eating sugar (because pretty much anything consumable is a drug by definition) is a straw man, if we want to stay on the faux academic path
Hunter Moore
Has anyone given me the fucking Discord link yet?
Noah Carter
>Anything at coke, coffee, or below won't kill you, nor does it harm the moral fabric of society. caffeine dependence and sugary drinks are ridiculously unhealthy addictions in the west, especially in the US
Dominic Peterson
drugs are drugs wether they fit your agenda or not
Benjamin Wilson
I wouldn't mind banning them too if it makes you feel better, although I personally believe caffeine is overkill, given it would not just ban soda, but tea as well. I don't think that caffeine has any adverse effects towards the moral fabric of our society. We had morally virtuous times in this country when you could get a can of pepsi.
Julian Gutierrez
we had morally virtuous times when you could get a coke with cocaine in it
Christopher Green
let's ban music too, music is an auditory stimulant as well also visual stimulants too, no beautiful art, architecture, and most important women also, scented products are now illegal as they manipulate your thought process soft silky fabrics take advantage of human (male) inhibition and render them less hardy
let's just ban all senses, or are taste-based stimulants the only bad ones?
Connor Martinez
The 1880's? You do realize that much of the Western US still had brothels and shit at that time right? Just because it was an "old time" doesn't mean it was morally virtuous. When i think moral virtue, I think of 1909-1965 >inb4 alcohol existed I understand, the 21st Amendment was a mistake, and naturally shit like domestic violence and alcoholism continued to spike. We are by no means a perfect society, and we have never been. However there are past generations which were on the right track, and that we should emulate.
Connor Harris
>let's ban music too, music is an auditory stimulant as well Lets do it, music is degenerate for the most part. Psychedelic rock, hip hop, etc. are all partly responsible for the destruction of social structure and virtue in our society. Of course, we're beginning to get into Taliban territory here. If Islam is what would implement a period of peace and abolition of degeneracy, then consider me a fan. It already bans alcohol too lol, but the problem is most Muslims don't follow their own doctrine, given that people who adhere to organized religion are just as big of degenerates as your typical atheist or whore.
everything else you just posted contributes to the straw man. You're taking away from my point about morality and a just society.
Juan Watson
>Curiosity is not an excuse to try something Human society wouldn't be where it is now if mankind wasn't innately curious. Most inventions and the discoveries of the Age of Exploration wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for human curiosity. By itself, it's a very positive quality. >which doesn't only erode your own personal ethos Mine is different from yours I guess. >but society's ethos as well Why would I care about that? Being a perma-NEET with no RL friends I'm not really part of the society I live in anyway. A significant component of what you call the ethos of our society is the philosophy to live and let live, a concept rooted in Greek philosophy and the values of the Enlightenment. Why are you so opposed to people doing things that don't impact others? >Eventually that same "curiosity" will drive you to other drugs This is a huge generalization and I can't imagine you actually believe that taking one drug will always lead to taking harder ones. I lived almost 30 years without ever trying anything else than alcohol. I have been offered weed but always declined because it's just not a drug I'm interested in.
>it seems like I'm the only virtuous one, maybe Trieste Me and Trieste met when I was in Italy last year and it took me less than five minutes to convince him to let me fuck him in the ass. Raw, no lube. By your standards his moral values are questionable. Trust me; I'm white. >but I have staunch beliefs I can see that, and honestly, I am not quite not sure if you're partly trolling or not. Your views are certainly uncommon, particularly among your demographic (assuming you're around my age). >I'm not demanding you follow them, but I instead insist you at least question your decision to consume hallucinogens. This is why I asked in the first place, although moral reasons with regards to society aren't exactly important points in my decision-making.
>I have had interest in... tattoos You will be punished for this in this life and the next.
Trieste also has the patrician taste of Abella Anderson. By Sonoma's standards, he is a degenerate
Parker Kelly
As far as I know, yes. >Why are you so opposed to people doing things that don't impact others? Because they do. It affects us on a cultural level. Your culture of drug consumption spreads to the youth, which is what we see today. I am the only person I know who hasn't consumed drugs. I take pride in that. >your views are certainly uncommon, particularly among your demographic (assuming you're around my age). im 20
Justin Wood
Looks like a fairly generic big bunda latina to me. She'd be kinda hot if she had a dick I guess.
Isaac Rivera
>yes that's fucking retarded and you know it. what makes you better than another human?
Cameron Allen
>Because they do. It affects us on a cultural level Me taking a bunch of shrooms has no effect on anything or anyone but me.
Nathan Hill
Yeah, he watches pornography unfortunately. Shame to hear, still love Trieste.
Kevin Phillips
>Yeah, he listens to prog rock unfortunately. Shame to hear, still love Sonoma
Bentley Lee
symbol looks too small
Michael Perry
I do not participate in social vices, i oppose sex and drugs. I oppose gynocentrism and the female. Therefore, yes, on a moral level I am superior to everyone else in my eyes.
Ethan Gray
But what exactly determines that that is superior behavior?
Jacob Cruz
Because sex and drugs are morally degenerate and dirty acts, and the females are oppressive towards males.
Israel has one of the biggest pride parades in the world.
Jeremiah Price
In any case, thank you for the civilized discussion Sonoma. It made me reflect on and articulate my thoughts, which was unironically helpful. I will try shrooms, or rather sclerotia, to be precise. Just gotta decide on a strain now before ordering, and wait for the perfect moment to consume them.
Sebastian Diaz
okay
Justin Cruz
You aren't explaining how you determine that. How can you, an atheist, believe in a metaphysical abstract concept of morality? You can abide by other peoples' concepts, sure, but how do you in good faith acknowledge solely the material world yet adhere to some overarching non-natural concept? Your viewpoints require an overarching non-physical standard to exist which cannot be produced by the material world. Why do you, a material being, get to create a standard and then assume that it isn't as flawed as the rest of the world you come from?
The answer throughout the ages has been divinity, but you reject that. You believe in yourself, but try to adhere to something metaphysical. I can answer these questions myself if asked, but you don't seem to be able to explain the root of them apart from "I said so".
So again, what specifically sets YOUR standard apart from everyone else's, and why should anyone give a single fuck?
Brandon Perry
another rainy one. town might start withdrawing criminals from prison to sacrifice to appease the gods
Dylan Price
It isn't metaphysical tho, it is doctrinal. I am aware that no god or gods exist, but I still demand that I adhere to a certain doctrine because I believe that certain vices lead to physical shortcomings, both on an individual and societal level. For example, drinking alcohol can lead to a DUI instead of being cast to Hell in Islam. In regards to the impossibility of such a moral doctrine, it is possible; I don't see why one cannot have sex, do drugs, or engage in certain vices in a lifetime. It's not like I stand a threat of being raped, or drugged. In those cases, I think that it is permissible since the person did not consent to the vice.
On an even more personal level, I believe one should resist temptation of certain things that make people feel good. In that sense life should be as bareback and frugal as humanly possible. Even i have not lived up to these standards yet in regards to media, and consumption of food, although I certainly will when I escape to the wilderness where I can have greater autonomy over myself, and what I consume. I don't care if anyone gives a fuck, I simply state my opinion because I feel my way is superior to the degenerate's.
Noah Edwards
gn
Bentley Price
night malta
Matthew Wood
>It isn't metaphysical tho, it is doctrinal Doctrine is inherently metaphysical as it is not found in the real-world. Doctrine comes from the root word doctor, which comes from the verb "to teach". Doctrine is taught, it is not found. You haven't answered my question, why should a material being be trusted with constructing a non-material system of belief, and by what standard do we judge which systems of belief are "superior" as per your words? The answer throughout history has typically been an appeal to divinity, but you can't. By what metric are your beliefs better?
>It's not like I stand a threat of being raped, or drugged If I was in a room with you and was a faggot homosexual I could most likely rape you if I wanted. You're always in danger if you aren't fit
>I believe one should resist temptation of certain things that make people feel good This is a good start, why do you believe this? This isn't a belief stemming from the material caste.
The reason I ask these questions is because you are hell-bent on exacting your beliefs onto everyone else, and making other people pay for not subscribing to your standard. Don't get me wrong I believe in the importance of standards, but I also believe it's dangerous for those standards to come from the edicts of a single man rather than having a divine origin for example
>By what metric are your beliefs better? Temperance and resistance to pleasure. >This is a good start, why do you believe this? I have always envisioned a society which was both utopian and traditional. A world, in my mind, which would invalidate all social "progress" in favor of ardent traditionalism, as I believe that such progress is detrimental to innocence. This may strike a resemblance to the protagonist from Catcher in the Rye (I forget his name) but I feel like all those vices, from sex to drugs and even most music, contribute to a world which is foreign, hostile, and depraved. A world without these vices, would essentially boil down to a secular communal agrarianism on which my utopia would be achieved. It would be a world where the innocence and purity of the child would not be tarnished by sexual adolescence, or the devolution of one's moral character by using drugs. The least amount of degeneracy comes in the least amount of amenities, as much of our creature comforts promote degeneracy. A human's life should be restricted to work and continuation of moral doctrine. All technological progress should halt following the creation of the artificial womb.
But why should you give a fuck? You don't have to - this is merely the world I would feel most comfortable in, and I feel that I want to embody these qualities which my mind sees fit as the moral standard. I guess a better way to put it is if there was a personal heaven we went to after death, then that world would be the one I go to. However, there is no afterlife, and since no one else in the right mind would want to sacrifice pleasure, vice, and degeneracy, then it is up to me to live up to my own moral standard, away from everyone else. That's why I want to flee to the wilderness; it's innocent and quiet nature always has made me feel comfortable. My visit to Alpine County last year was the only time in the last 10 years where I've felt truly happy and free of the constraints of the world
I just realized something after I looked at both these points side by side, and it's really our key difference. You always post females, I always post pics of my times in nature. THAT is where we derive beauty, you derive yours from the lust and perceived beauty of women and therefore are centered on that, while I prefer the innocence, tranquility, and purity of untouched land
Fugg I dunno if there's anything interesting for me to visit and see in regions around me that need to be mapped. Anyway, I'm off to bed now, will check for some cool places and think about it later.
