Homelessness Solved by Finland - BASED

“THE ADOPTION of South African children by Finnish couples is steadily growing, said South Africa’s ambassador to Finland Sello Moloto. In 2011, Finland’s statistics showed that most children adopted from abroad were born in South Africa, he said in Helsinki.

“It’s great. They are given a new life in Finland,” said Moloto. “And you know, these adopted children are living much better here (in Finland) than some middle-class families in South Africa - even better than my kids. They have guitars and iPads and lots of other things.” Most of the adopted South African children in Finland had been abandoned by their parents. In the past five years about 400 South African children were adopted in Finland, most of them between two and four…”

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well we need special night jaegers too

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why are we so based

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Those Swedes will never see them coming

What on Earth...we've got a lot of Somali foreheads on our hands here...

Suomi is always based

Based Suomi night jaegers

Why can't we just kill the poor?

remove the lowest layer and youll have a new lowest layer. you can only keep doing it for so long until you'd have to end yourself. so do everyone a service and start with yourself.

>take some guy who has no family, who is probably a drug addict or alcoholic or mentally ill or everything above
>give him an apartment
>WE HAVE SOLVED HOMELESSNESS GUISE
I'm sure this cannot go wrong in the long term

this is criminal

Based Finland

>In Germany, the last two years saw a 35% increase in the number of homeless while in France, there has been an increase of 50% in the last 11 years.

diversity is strength tho

doesn't really work here, all the jobs are concentrated in these orange areas

and the orange areas refuse to build new housing. they only build luxury condos and not "cheap" apartments or starter homes. NIMBYs have ruined this country, they've ruined Canada, they've ruined the UK, and they've ruined any economy that has a lot of activity in urban areas.

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That's literally communism though

you should've read it before commenting on it

>The homeless are given permanent housing on a normal lease. That can range from a self-contained apartment to a housing block with round-the-clock support.
>At the same time as being given a home, they receive individually tailored support services.
>For instance, anyone can reserve an appointment with a housing advisor and receive advice in things like problems with paying the rent or applying for other government benefits.
>There are also financial and debt counselling services to help people manage their finances and debts.

>SHARED SUBSIDIES =/= SOCIALISM
The journey begins neophyte

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We have the same here and all it does is breed social welfare leeches.
They get nearly free (or free, depends on their income, or lack of it) apartments. Free heating, free water, free gas. Free food packages. Depending on their status they also get monthly payouts, which while measly, are enough to keep them blind drunk nearly 24/7. They don't work. They don't do anything, but drink and fuck. It's fucking disgusting.

Sounds like an absolutely collosal waste of money but Scandis have always had more money than common sense. I assume even more taxes will now go towards people who are simply unable to function in society

Man, just read the article, links in the OP
>The savings in terms of the services needed by one person can be up to 9,600 euros a year when compared to the costs that would result from that person being homeless, he adds.

I've already read it. There is nothing in there that proves all this gigantic money waste is more effective, except for a quote by one guy with no source. The actual financial cost of homelessness is zero unless you have a nanny state throwing money at homeless people. So yes, this is an absolutely tremendous waste of money

sorry should've checked the flag the first time around

Kill yourself

cope

What a revolutionary idea. Give homeless people homes. Who could had thought of that.
Seriously fuck capitalism.

and money for kossu as well?

Homelessness by itself is a very expensive prospect.
Not just in lost opportunity (ie. It's more productive to have someone working to sustain their own home and livehood) but also in the often common problems of having a lot of homeless people: Drugs, urban blight, insecurity and so on.

And don't even mention jail, because jail is way more expensive than housing people. Like, at least 3 times so.

Not real socialism. Socialism is when the workers wn the means of production.

And now, the working man must work extra hard to have the things he ould get by not working. Do you think people will be more productive after that?

>It's more productive to have someone working to sustain their own home and livehood
but there are plenty of people who work and are a net financial loss to society, especially in countries with heavy social programs. So the difference is they are a "lesser" loss than the homeless

>And don't even mention jail, because jail is way more expensive than housing people. Like, at least 3 times so.
That's because we stopped to make the prisoners work.

Sad to see that Finland is becoming Venezuela-tier. It won’t be long before they start importing Muslims to pay for all this “free” shit

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actual brainlets itt. homelessness causes problems which are more expensive than just treating them. it's a net positive to take care of your people. you don't fix problems by ignoring it and pretending it's not there.

For food and basic necessities rather. Or for rehab.
How does it increase working mans work if a vacant apartment is given to a homeless person? If you mean taxes then, a person who gets on his feet (with help of a home) contributes infinite times more to society than one who stays homeless forever.

>t won’t be long before they start importing Muslims to pay for all this “free” shit
you are 10 years behind

stfu communist, let the invisible hand of capitalism sort it all out.

>rehab
I think this is the part we're missing. And you can't force people to get help they need either, so we just end up paying for their vices.

Someone had to build the vacant appartment. Someone had to pay for it. If you decide to "redistribute" it, then you took it from someone. That guy had to work for the appartment and lost it.
Redistribution is not a victimless crime.

Homelessness is more than just having a home, it's an employment problem and almost all the time an employability problem. If you give a home to a junkie who spend all his money on drug and won't work even if you give him a job, you have a bum in a house.
If you want to save money on the working man, you need to force the junkie, yes to force him, to go in a detox center and then to make him have a lifestyle compatible with work, like with a rehab center where he have to wake up at the same hour every day and to have meals at regular hours, plus the necessary formation to a trade.

That will help the working man, but I don't see the politicians enforcing that shit. All they do is grab what the working man did.

Communist waste of money: Making sure people have food and shelter

Capitalist efficient resource allocation: People dying on the streets of medieval diseases and drug overdosing

Neoliberalist individualist freedom: Putting people in jail for having no home at the cost of $60k to $90k per year

Immigrants who are not choosen by their skils and the need of your country but who come to "get a better life" cost more tax money than they pay. In my country we have many no go zone almost entirely black and muslim where they live off tax money.

We can, but we won't. It's easier to tax the working man and to look good on TV than to solve problems.

It's not removed from anyone. The owner still gets his cut of money just like he would if anyone else lived in it. Nobody is forced to rent their apartments, these are apartments from the free market, people willingly renting their apartments. To the one owning the apartment, there is no difference between a state-aided holemess living there vs. anyone else living there.

The homeless people get their situations assessed and then given aid based on their needs to give them the best odds possible at rehabiliation and re-entering the work market.

I don't understand why you're so obsessively defending homelessness, whats the "profit" you gain from having homeless people around? They aren't a necessity by any means, even though you seem very fond of having them around.

you have 13% problems for this solution to work in your country burger

>promiscuity
>good
uh...

No, I mean we can't legally.

I hate how homeless people are characterized as useless junkies who have never had a job

People become homeless because they don't have a home. That's more likely to happen in a place where the rent starts at $2000 and your minimum wage salary doesn't even cover it.

Once people are homeless, it's way easier to spiral into a whole load of issues such as drugs and further unemployment. It's just easier to solve the problem at the root than just detoxing someone and then throwing them back at the streets.

bezahlbarer wohnraum ist gerade knapp

We have the same system, theoretically every homeless could receive a but bureaucracy, Pride of those “homeless” and many additional factors prevent that from happening

>The owner still gets his cut of money
I don't get it. Where the money come from? They make the homeless pay rent? Why would you even need a middleman then?

If you give them things just to be poor, you effectively pay them to be poor, and then you get the people who try hard to get out of poverty to stop trying and you get more poors to feed.
If you want to solve homlesness and poverty, you have to condition the gibs to integration of the work market.

>I don't understand why you're so obsessively defending homelessness, whats the "profit" you gain from having homeless people around?
I worked my ass to have a small apartment. I had to work hard because 70% o what I make go to the state. Not joking. 70%. Why am I working hard if I can have the same by being lazy and pretending to look for a job?

I wish society was prosperous, and for that we need the working man to work, and for that we need to let him enjoy the fruit of his labor and to have more than the men who choose to not work while he could.

The job of politicians os to change the laws so it fit their vision for the country. They can change it, they just don't want, and they don't want because people would stop voting for them if they do.
We can solve poverty, but we don't want to.

The spiral don't start at loosing your home, it start at personal problems, escalade to loosing your job and often alcohol. Once you are out of the loop, there isn't many cheap escapes options.
Homelessness is the symptom, not the illness.

>t. smelly hobo

Half of the hobos I saw were whites and looked French to me. There is a lot of old people in them.

I guess 70% of my income is not enough to take care of everyone.

State pays for the rent. It's something that every citizen in finland is appliciable for, regardless of background, history, ethnicity etc etc. Every citizen of finland can apply for state aid to cover living costs if they are unable to provide for themselves. This is a system we've had in use for most of the time we've existed and it's been working great, giving everyone the guarantee of being able to afford the roof over their heads regardless where life takes you. It also includes free healthcare, dental services up to 18yo and education including school meals and means to get there. This is a big factor in why Finland is constantly ranked one of the happiest, most satisfied and safest countries on earth. There is no acute need for anyone to do crime when means to afford basic living are guaranteed to everyone. Also people are fine with paying taxes because they profit EVERYONE, everyone gets free education, everyone gets free healthcare, everyone gains from the tax money. Even though enough income to afford living is guaranteed, unemployment rates in Finland are very average for Europe. Turns out that when you give everyone the means and ways to fulfill their dreams, everyone the possibility to get good education and opporunities, most people do want to work and do fulfilling things. There is no rat race for survival here, everyone is granted the best possibilities and opportunities and the freedom to use them as they see fit.

>it's your fault when bosses decide to cut losses and increase profit by firing people
Epic.

>State pays for the rent.
Where does the money come from? Do you see why the working man get to work harder to have what he had before?
Redistribution is not a victimless crime.

> It's something that every citizen in finland is appliciable for,
Big, big mistake. Gibs had to be conditional to be effective. Otherwise just make an UBI, but don't cut the gibs ot the working man.
Also, it's not your job to pay for all the misery of the world. There is 4 billions poor people out there, if you give to your citizen, you have to make citizenship hard to get. If you let people in and pay people just to be in, it will collapse one day or another. Look at my country if you don't believe me.

Now tell me, why would the poor man who work hard to get his ass out of poverty will keep working hard if you give him according to his needs?

> This is a big factor in why Finland is constantly ranked one of the happiest, most satisfied and safest countries on earth.
No. The small quantity of poor people you have to take care of is. It's easy to be generous and to have an happy country when you don't have millions of dead weight on your arms.

>Also people are fine with paying taxes because they profit EVERYONE
I wish I could say the same about my country. I still have to see my money again.

Opportunities are created by the market, not by giving people the means to fulfill their dreams.

Yes, and it works.

so why is your unemployment rate almost twice as high as ours? We don't have any of your nanny state bullshit
tradingeconomics.com/finland/unemployment-rate
tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/unemployment-rate

oh, and your suicide rates are about 50% higher too
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
"happiest country" my fucking ass LMAO

In that specific case, they guy get his salary paid for by the state for 2 years. If he didn't foud another job in 2 years, we say it's because he is not looking for one and downgrade it to minimum income, which is low.
This is how things are in France. Structural unemployment don't create homelessnes.

People becoming mentally broken for whatever reasons and becoming unemployable does.

this

See
And say it's a shit non working system.

lol We are becoming more and more capitalist by the year. That’s the cause of our downfall.

>Communism is when the state does things and the more things it does, the communister it get

wtf is this real?
i though finland was based?

How many immigrants do you have to feed?
This is the real reason why your country is prosperous, happy and safe.

Oh fuck off.

I suppose it's not the South African children whose parents have been butchered by the locals. It would be racist to adopt white kids in need.

>too
I see you ran out of arguments. My country can not be generous with the poors because we let poor people form all over the world in. Loot at the picture you pointed to ans ask yourself why we wouldn't want to fight for our country.

>Where does the money come from?
It's an already established system. This doesn't cause the wroking man to have to work more, it's the same strain as what has been applied to him throughout the ages, and his parents too.

>Otherwise just make an UBI
Experimented with that already, no negative impacts were found.

>Also, it's not your job to pay for all the misery of the world.
No, only my country.

>The small quantity of poor people you have to take care of is.
This is exactly why we do this. We pre'emptively take care of our problems instead of allowing them to escalate and only treat it then when it's already gotten out of hand. Why would finnish people be any different from say latvians or belgians? There's no inherent feature of finland that magically makes people better off, it's the result of a healthy society taking care of everyone equally to prevent problems from getting out of hand.

>I wish I could say the same about my country.
Unfortunate.

>Opportunities are created by the market, not by giving people the means to fulfill their dreams.
Finlands economy is highly driven by advanced technology and processing, which is why we need a lot of highly trained workforce. Also with everyone having their basic needs guaranteed, people are much more willing to take "leaps of faith" in life, since even if shit hits the fan and everything goes astray, youll always have a roof over your head. You don't seriously believe that Finland and, say, Zambia or Belarus would have equal career opportunities for everyone, given the "market demand"? Having a highly trained and willing population is a great way to attract said "market demand".

>niggers straight of the boat want to fight for Finland as night Jägers thus becoming our niggas
>not basado
Oh my

We let people in too but instead of ditching them in alleys to become homeless thieves and muggers like you'd so fiercely recommend, we actually invest the effort to try to assimilate and integrate them, which is why they aren't so much of a problem here as they are elsewhere.

Refugee per capita rates;
Spain: 0.13
USA: 0.84
Italy: 1.52
UK: 1.82
Finland: 2.15
Denmark: 3.15
France: 4.13
Norway: 9.14
Sweden: 14.66

Fuck that. Taxes are mad high and the government subsidises SINGLE FUCKING MOMS. How the fuck can you argument for 30% VAT rates and 3 bn euros for housing?

Examples of Finnish Commies' (a.k.a whore-andersson and whore-rinne) thinking and incompetence
Problem: CO2 and fucked up trade balance due to oil trade
Solution:more taxes on fuels
What should have been done: lower VAT on solar arrays, EVs, heat pumps and batteries since it's pareto efficient and a no-fucking-brainer

>It's an already established system. This doesn't cause the wroking man to have to work more, it's the same strain as what has been applied to him throughout the ages, and his parents too.
The money have to come from somewhere. If it's not from the working men, then tellwe where it come from. Does another program was cancelled? Then who stopped receiving the money taken to the working men?

>Experimented with that already, no negative impacts were found.
No, you didn't. You give UBI to a small selected number of individuals in a particular situation. You do not have the money for an UBI that generous. No one does.
And it failled.
bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-04-26/finland-s-basic-income-experiment-was-doomed-from-the-start
theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/19/basic-income-finland-low-wages-fewer-jobs

>No, only my country.
Godspeed on you user, but take care of the ones who will tell you you should share with the rest of the world because you have so much. It's how my country is becoming a thrird world shithole.

Fuck refugees. They just sit home and do nothing except claim benefits. They cost 4bn euro and you call that "not much of a problem"? ffs

We let people in too but instead of ditching them in alleys to become homeless thieves and muggers we give them a HLM and APL so their housing is free, we give them RSA to eat and we pay for their transport. We also pay for some leisure time.
It just don't work if they are in for the gibs.

>Refugees
If someone leave the refugee center to risk his life to go in a country with more money, it's a clandestine immigrant, not a refugee.

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>The solution to everything is more taxes on the working men hidden behind something popular
They tried that here too. Take my advice and take the streets as soon as they do it. Go straight to the homes of the politicians and the rich people, don't loose time protesting. It's the only language this clique understand.

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>The money have to come from somewhere.
Taxes etc.
>No, you didn't.
Do you not know what "experiment" means? It's not a full-scale implementation, but a test on a small group of people, "experiment". It didn't fail, it just didn't provide enough gain to be worth the investment to replace the current system.

I still think it's better to treat a problem before it escalates out of hand.

If you're sure you're so well off in life that you'll never need any of the services Finland provides, then feel free to GTFO to some other nation that wont burden it's citizen with said services. I like it here in this safe haven. It's the worlds safest and happiest country for a reason.

>and do nothing
You are lucky if they do nothing. In Germany women are afraid to leave their houses and sometime it's not enough.

Fuck off elsewhere then if it's so miserable for you here. You're free to leave. IMO it's better to integrate refugees into society than ditch them onto their own wits to thieve steal and rob.

>Taxes etc.
So, from the pocket of the working man.
Redistribution is not a victimless crime.

>Do you not know what "experiment" means?
I do. It does not mean universal. It's a non universal, univerlal basic income: a basic income for a handful of people. You do not have enough of the working man money to give it to all the people in the country, as it would be if it was universal.

>It didn't fail, it just didn't provide enough gain to be worth the investment
This have to be a joke.

>It's the worlds safest and happiest country for a reason.
Yep, but the reasons why it work are in danger.

even better: not taking them

Fuck you fucking, sivari. This is my country and you're the fucking leech in my pocket. Obviously a sivaripussy like you is scared of not making it without stealing from other people.

Birth rates are plummeting because nobody can afford decent detached houses or cars. It's a fucking shitshow.

How the fuck can you even argument for huge fucking taxation when keeping the fuel tax as is and lowering VAT for aforementioned items would hugely benefit Finland's economy and wouldn't make anyone worse off?

Estonians have magnitudes of order smaller taxes than we do but do you think they are suffering? Same with Germans.

Well, oil is not a solution for anyone in EU but taxing solar arrays and EVs in any form is madness. If all the oil money stayed in EU it would make the everyman well off too. Does France have VAT or any taxes on EVs and solar?

Serious question: why would you even let people who choose to leave the refugee camp in your country? I am not even talking about giving them homes and income or letting them in the street with crime for only way of income, I am talking about letting them in at all.

They choose to leave the refugee camp. All of them, with no exception.

>Taxes are theft
I see. I'm sorry you feel this way.
>This have to be a joke.
No, that's the official consensus.
>Yep, but the reasons why it work are in danger.
Hardly in danger. We adapt preemptively, like I've said in every post so far, instead of letting problems escalate and get out of hand, which is whyt we're doing so well. There is no single perfect model, it's about how you utilize what you can use.

I was born here and my family has lived here hundreds of years. How the fuck do some ryssäs or niggers belong here? They don't.

The Communist policies have caused Warsaw and Bucharest becoming richer than Helsinki. That's how well your fucking policies work.

Ofciouse not having a refugee crisis at all would be the best case scenario, but contemplating that is pretty pointless since that's clearly not the case. It doesn't matter "what youd like to do in a perfect world", we'll have to do with the real world.

>Does France have VAT or any taxes on EVs and solar?
20%, however we pay people who place solar panels on their roofs.

They even had a better idea to save the worl: tax the fuel for car more not not the fuel for planes or for boat. Now that they had to remove the additional tax for the cars, it backfired and they have to discuss the tax onthe jet fuel. They say we would loose 4000 jobs if we create this tax so they wont.

It's just the clique stealing the working man money, while the so called socialist and communist help them.

Cringed hard.

Honestly kys you dumb fucking finns why should the taxpayer be expected to subsidize some homeless fuck who most likely got on the streets as a result of his own failure?

>They choose to leave the refugee camp. All of them, with no exception.
I don't get your point.