foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/22/europes-future-is-as-chinas-enemy/ >The continent can save NATO—but only if it takes Washington’s side in its growing struggle with Beijing. >none of America’s NATO allies can presently undertake any serious military action without significant support from Uncle Sam. For this reason, NATO today is more protectorate than partnership, which is why Trump keeps asking whether being in the alliance is still in America’s interest. And he’s hardly the first U.S. leader to issue forceful complaints about Europe’s unwillingness to take greater responsibility for its own defense.
Do Europeans even want yank military stations in their countries?
I dunno, the EU's tactic of sending strongly worded letters probably won't be effective against Russia or China
Jace Jackson
If you honestly think Russia and China are existential threats then you've been swallowing too much US propaganda.
Parker Clark
It's obvious we are going to be invaded by China. Red Dawn style. Possibly by North Korea too. All Yurop, from Finlan to Portugal would fall to chinese paratroopers.
Like the lads at ForeignPolicy.meme say, the only hope for preventing the invasion is standing by our good fren an ally, the Orangeman.
Jace Martin
I support anyone as long as they are opposed to the US
Robert Rogers
>If you can't invade random other countries you need to be in a protectorate The absolute state of these propaganda outlets.
>Do Europeans even want yank military stations in their countries? Poland does, beyond that, not really.
Sofar it worked as well as anything the US has done, so we'll see about that.
Nathan Fisher
>If you honestly think Russia and China are existential threats then you've been swallowing too much US propaganda. >Russia just invaded a European country a few years ago.
>Russia just invaded a European country a few years ago. America was bombing a European country a few years ago, retard.
Josiah Gomez
t. Ching Chang Mao
Chase Johnson
>America was bombing a European country a few years ago, retard. If you mean Balkans it was NATO responding to literal genocide. Try harder Zhang.
Jaxon Brooks
>o Europeans even want yank military stations in their countries? There is no benefit and allied occupation of Germany has destroyed their culture specifically.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
>There is no benefit and allied occupation of Germany has destroyed their culture specifically.
Actually he is right and even your philosophers like Julius Evola where he plagiarized his thinking from Daoism agreeds American occupation of Europe is a negative.
Gavin Price
No, it was Americans aiding a literal fucking genocide. You fucking disgust me with your historical ignorance and propaganda.
Nathaniel Phillips
>Host American GI niggers and spics >Jewish elites control their media and industry again >American export them (((Hollywood))) >Fascism is a taboo
>Jow Forumsincel tier argument >Doesn't know American bases bring money to German towns >Doesn't know Germans don't have to spend money on defence spending because of US bases >LE HOLLYJEW XDXDXD >le facism is ok!
Jayden Gutierrez
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Isaiah Lopez
>oh no fascism is now a taboo go back
Isaiah Diaz
>the geopolitical situation in Europe wouldn't be thrown out of balance if yanks left I hate burgers but you guys are worse
Jordan Clark
>NATO mission led by the UN
Adam Peterson
>>Doesn't know American bases bring money to German towns >>Doesn't know Germans don't have to spend money on defence spending because of US bases What retarded nonsense. First of all the money US soldiers bring into towns is extremly little because they spend most of it on-base, and it doesn't even begin to cover germanies infrastructural costs to keep those bases and the surrounding area.
And we can spend "little" (still more than most developed nations, but w.e.) because we have zero enemies to worry about and in difference to you feel no need to go and massacre civilians in exotic locales every decade.
Ethan Morales
To be honest, American military bases to me just seem like a cheap excuse for them to be quick when going around with their petro steal everywhere.
Alexander Jones
Based and redpilled
John Lopez
America is bad; China is worse. Fuck off Zhang; leave in a hearse.
Logan Taylor
That tirade he's linking is much worse though.
Makes the Daily Mail look like a serious paper
Jaxon Edwards
And he's linking it because he's a China shill. I'm not even going to follow the link.
Austin Collins
how will this happen without nukes fliying towards China?
Adrian Cruz
>tf >to Why is it always a Canadian, an Aussie, the Spanish/Portuguese autist, the sexpat in Thailand or the proxy American flag?
Jayden Fisher
>because we have zero enemies to worry about Hi vlad!
The real redpill here is that everyone who tells us to choose between China and the US is bad, no matter what they say. A united Europe could bring the continent back to the top.
Luke Rodriguez
Germans look like this????
Kayden Green
The USA seems to try hard to supress our sovereignty with their communist retard as president.
>aiding a literal fucking genocide. Are you that much of a retard you'd pretend the bosniaks were genociding the Serbs? The bombing didnt start until after the Serbs violated UN resolutions to escalate, held UN peacekeepers hostage and attacked a UN mandated safe zone killing 8,000?
Elijah Price
@106621358 weird bait
Alexander Stewart
Good article
Robert Roberts
how are we so based?
Samuel Parker
>State officials in Rhineland-Palatinate can be thankful that two of the largest bases in the region, the Ramstein and Spangdahlem air bases, are not threatened with closure, even though there could be some troop reduction. The two make up the largest US military communities outside the United States, and are home to 40,000 soldiers and their dependents. A study by the University of Trier showed that the two bases alone contributed about €1.4 billion ($1.7 billion) to the local economy in 2001 and support about 27,000 jobs in the region.
I can't remind one evil thing America ever did. All evil that ever happened since America was established in XVIII century was created by other countries, on other continents and by other nations. It is the case also today. Even if America acts brutally sometimes, it is a result of the evil that was already committed by somebody else - and it works only as a healthy and needed reaction. Billy Joels "We didn't start the fire" should be the USA's national anthem in this context. America is the most moral empire in history of humankind according to objective measures. Even wars it wages are most humanitarian if we take number of deaths as criteria.
Levi Lee
Going to call bullshit right there Friedrich. My uncle was stationed on a military base in Germany through the 90s up until 2009. Bought a small home off base. Bought a pig fat giant Audi A8 and bought most of his shit at German markets because they're higher quality than the US shit they sell on base. Also married a German woman and now my aunt is German and my cousins are half German. They also now own a cool house from the 1700s a few km outside of Stuttgart and he makes big bux advising German military/police and spends all that in Germany. A lot of his friends would mostly buy shit off base because it was better too.
Henry Flores
You still aren't ever getting that green card. There are plenty of Mexicans here that can scrub toilets.
Mexicans are old news. Most immigrants these days are Poojeets and other assorted Central Americans.
Brody Brown
Daily reminder that it was America that created notion of human rights. Humans didn't have any rights before in their own minds.
Benjamin Mitchell
KEK
I must say, the Echelon 4th of July parties were pretty rad. Would want back 5/7. Best Hotdogs in the whole town to be honest.
Samuel Fisher
You have zero enemies because the US has parked itself in your country, so the potential cost of attacking you is more than any country is willing to pay. Take that away, and you're now a much more palatable target.
William Reed
>A united Europe could bring the continent back to the top. Not unless you start having kids. As it stands right now, most of Europe is aging into irrelevance. To be fair, it's not Norway's fault (all the scandi countries have a sufficently-large youth cohort to replace retirees), but it is for most of the continent.
Daniel Howard
thats an outlier desu, Ive been on base and that thing is so huge and filled with stores that dont even exist in Germany. theres no need to go off there unless you actively want to. I dont mind it (mostly for the easy army girls on Tinder) but to pretend we need your protection is ridicioulous. You also launch a lot of the campaigns in the Middle east from there which in turn reflects bad on us for shit we really want no part in
Ian Thomas
America ruled the world already once, in period 1989-2008. Its hegemony was unquestionable by anyone in this period of time, everybody else was considerably weaker and the USA could do whatever it wanted all over the world. Do you remember this period as bad for humanity or good for humanity in comparison with previous centuries and in comparison with time of destabilisation, wars and chaos that is arriving again? Was it time of technological, social and civilisational progress or regress?
We all are going to come back to this period of time as to lost paradise sooner or later. Every country on this planet is dumber and more brutal than America, but they all used to stay away from their murderous ways in last few decades only because they were afraid of America.
based the future of the wh*toid is to get dabbed on by chinks
Luke Gray
china is not our enemy. and we will likely benefit from chinas infrastructure efforts in their new silkroad project. the only "threat" to europe is russia taking a bite out one of ther non nato former puppets. wich doesnt concern us much.
Luis Ortiz
Chinese are subhumans.
David Smith
Because global circumstances changed and since now free trade in current shape creates more negative things for America than positive ones: it contributes to deindustrialisation of the USA and grows its negative trade balance exponentially which destroys its economy. It is easy for Germany to talk about free trade when its export remains competetive only thanks to euro-currency devaluated at expense of other euro-zone countries and when its trade routes stay safe only because US navy protects them for free. Besides, Germany is even more protective about its trade and industry than the USA.
Christopher Sanders
thats not true at all. the us economy is now primarily a service economy. the cashflow into the usa from their globally operating companies such as google is huge. its not limited to tech either, its also in the finance sector. those services dont get counted in a trade balance but the cashflow into the usa is positive. that allows them to import goods cheaply. your trade balance with your local grocery store is also pretty bad, they NEVER buy something from you. you have to look at the whole picture.
James Green
>china is not our enemy. and we will likely benefit from chinas infrastructure efforts in their new silkroad project. the only "threat" to europe is russia taking a bite out one of ther non nato former puppets. wich doesnt concern us much.
Give at least one reason for which the USA should invest its resources into protecting Europe from Russian militarism and imperialism if Europe decides to trade with Russia and its Chinese mastermind? If you pay Russia billions dollars every year, you just give signal that you are not afraid of Russia. If you were afraid of it, you would rather try to buy gas, oil and other carriers of energy from the USA or countries that USA recommends to you as good suppliers of such things. NATO stops serving its purpose if Germany can't even move finger in shoe against Russia because its economy is too dependent on oil and gas coming from Russia.
Jeremiah Stewart
>Take that away, and you're now a much more palatable target. By whom? Germany is surrounded by EU countries it is allied with economically, politically and militarily. Reminder that Russia can't win against couple of Hohols in Eastern Ukraine.
William Martinez
I want to live in a world where the US quarantine themselves from global cooperation because "muh chinese students may help the PLA some day".
Christopher Lee
>when its export remains competetive only thanks to euro-currency devaluated Then explain how we were just as much a export superpower when the euro was at the height of its value? So we perfidiously benefit from a strong euro, but also from a weak euro. Man we are truly economic geniuses to a man.
Pathetic brainwashed idiot.
Charles Brooks
>and we will likely benefit from chinas infrastructure efforts in their new silkroad project. No you wont vlad, at least Europe won't. Take a wild guess why?
Because Europe makes huge profits off trading using shipping containing and you build barges and engines. Even Finland build engines for shipping barges to be used in maritime shipping lanes.
When the silk road comes you won't make a fucking penny, the only thing that will happen is your country will be flooded with chinese good via their trains and trucks. The most you'll get is some money from Chinks to pay for the roads they will use to flood your country with cheap products or troops if they ever decide to.
>u just give signal that you are not afraid of Russia
exactly. there is no reason for germany to be afraid of russia. russia is poor and not mad enough to try anything serious.
also we depend mainly on gas from russia less so on russian oil.
Nathan Sanders
I'd love for Poland/Czechia/Hungary to work with China and actively overthrow the German/French European order. Would be great, we could be China's closest ally.
We could even deport all the Germans/French to Africa as they seem to want to emulate them so much.
Easton Gutierrez
God why are you burgers all so incredibly ignorant how trade works.
Just because trains will be available to transport goods, doesn't mean they will be the best method to do so. There are dozens of other criteria playing into that decision that have nothing to do with if its possible at all.
Shipping will continue and will continue to grow all the same, more actually because getting more swiftly raw material from inner eurasia means you can produce more shitt o send to the other side of the globe as part of a value chain.
>hur dur trains existing makes ships obsolete Fucking imagine
