Do Yanks and Brits really believe they were crucial for defeating the Germans?

People like to deny whatever fits with their views and tastes. This trend of excluding all the allies that helped is idiotic.

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and polish death camps

propa butthurt right there

>deaths

Mandatory.

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the main contribution of the allies is sweeping in and saving western europe from soviet occupation.

Numbers speak for themselves.

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unless russian soldiers could kill germans with their minds, yes

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They tell part of the story but not all of it. A .jpg is no excuse for refusing to educate yourself on history. Read a fucking book.

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it's another katyn

You fail to realize that the decisions Hitler made, were made to guarantee the fall of Germany and complete destruction of Europe, brining the rise of the EU - followed by the planned cold war between USSR and the US. You really think WW2 was about 'defeating Germany'? Outcomes of major wars are already decided before they happen. Those divisions sent to the eastern front were nothing but a death sentence and sacrificial lambs. The US should have done the world a favor and dropped nukes all across Europe and Russia, not on Japan.

And what did not being occupied by the SU has brought them? Arabs, niggers and Turks taking over their countries, their children declaring themselves as pansexual otherkin transexuals, pedophillia being normalized and every form of ethnic nationalism actively being demonized.

Soviet occupations has actually preserved the social normes and customs of their puppet states, freezing them for 50 years.

The advance of globo homo eastwards was stopped for the duration of the Cold War.

I would rather trade the 1/3rd of my current living standard for the roll back of this seemingly inevitably encroaching western culturally hyperliberal Eurovision mentality.

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Idk who let you off your leash but your tard wrangler should really get you back on your schizo meds.

former commie lands are tainted by communism, especially mentally. it's just less visible than western mental illness but it's undeniable. it's like how some rape victims turn into flaming faggots who stick dildos into their assholes on the street while others turn into silent self haters.

No I'm not retarded

Nazies lost the war the moment when they were "brutally" stopped at stalingrad. It was exactly there where their army lost morale, movement and all advantages of rapidly advancing army. After that it was just inevitable zero sum game for germans. USA or UK simply helped to grind them a little faster, but even if they did jack shit, russia would still push nazies back to germany. At worst it would just last a little longer with way more casaulities.

They kinda ran out of men, ammo and fuel there. After that everybody knew it was over. To this day nobody can understand why hitler picked fight with russia. They could split europe in half and rule together without usa being able to do jack shit about it. But luckily hitler was a fool who refuses to listen to reason of his generals.

Britain inflicted the first defeats on German troops in North Africa. And it was more the weather that fucked up the German Eastern Front than Russian zerg tactics.

>To this day nobody can understand why hitler picked fight with russia.
The whole point of the war was to clear Slavs out of east Europe to make way for German settlers.

Conflicts of such size as the Great Patriotic War have no single turning points decided in one spot like some romantic battle out of Classical Antiquity. Stalingrad was one of the war's several great turning points. And it decided that the Soviet Union would not be conquered, but it did not assure Germany's total defeat.

>After that everybody knew it was over
Plain wrong. Germany's total defeat didn't become obvious until 1944, and even by the end of that year plenty of generals were convinced the war might drag on into 1946.

>They kinda ran out of men, ammo and fuel there
They didn't totally exhaust their manpower until the last few months. As for Germany running out of ammo and fuel, you can think the RAF and USAAF for that, as my previous pics demonstrated.
>hitler was a fool who refuses to listen to reason of his generals.
Hitler listened to his retard generals all the time. And one of the times where he actually didn't (Battle of France) turned out to be a huge success.

I dunno bro, hitler already tripled the size of germany, he could have whole france, spain, portugal, all meme states like italy would be their vassals or outright colonies, half of poland, czechia. Thats shitton of new clay to genocide and repopulate with aryan race. He was either insane, greedy cunt or both. Not even USA picked open fight with russians.

Germany would have beaten Russia 1v1. The additional air power would likely have been enough. They could also take their time vs Russia as a sole opponent.

Those slavic monkeys wouldn't even have boots if it wasn't for us

russians soldiers wouldn't be wearing any boots or have any ammo for their rifles if it wasn't for lend lease user

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It was all ideologically driven. He had no love for Mediterranean people, but they were still "human" to him, albeit inferior. Czechs were to be Germanised and those portions of Poland used to belong to Germany before the autism anyway. The living space was always in the lands to the East, occupied by the "subhumans".

Do you think any general would tell him its good idea to betray russia allies before nazi army finishes the west enemies like strugglers in france and UK? That its briliant to split your forces in half instead of focusing on one point and betray russia only AFTER they were done in UK? I think not.

Thats actually interesting concept. What wins the wars? The money financing the equipment or the soldiers who literally bleed for their country? Before you answer remeber how majority of terrorist groups on middle east started as "rebels" which were financially supported by usa for many different reasons and how well it turned out.

Ideology is just another tool how to control the bottom 80% of population, similiar to religion or propaganda. Leaders cant afford to have principles, morals or ideologies. That would be suicidal for whole nation.

This desu

Poland probably wouldn't have topped the chart what if they hadn't killed their own jews and all

Poland was massacred from both sides from germany and russia. And they didnt surrender like czechia did, so they made an example from them. They executed almost all their elite: uni students and professors. It was truly bad decade for poland. But /int will meme them to death because some nazi's holocaust camps were located there. Czechia also hosted few death camps, but you wont hear about it anywhere because they were for gypsies and disabled persons only and nobody gives shit about gypsies.

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>11 in the west for countering the landing
Yes to counter a potential landing. Between 1944 and 1945 8 million served in the West.

You're forgetting the battle of the Atlantic, bombing the shit out of them, the Mediterranean, intelligence operations ( Heydrich was assassinated by a Czechoslovakian team the Brits trained), starting resistance movements (not really is more the Brits), fucking up the Luftwaffe and lend lease which Soviets later pretended was of little use despite it actually being heavily used.

We had to bring all non European forces across the ocean. Once in the European theater, we couldn't just roll west like the Soviets we had to use amphibious landings and aircraft to even get onto the continent.

But yes we realize the Eastern Front was a meat grinder with large amounts of forces. Though all Euros seem to forget about the Pacific.

every single thing n this reply is absolutely based
fuck Poland

>Also the Soviet Union received thousands of Bren Carriers and Sherman tanks.
Dont forget 3/4 of their trucks were from the U.S., 2000 locomotives (they had basically stopped production), almost 20% of their aircraft and food.

I didn't think we lost that many, is it counting Filipinos?

wrong retard
it was to stop communism

Wasn't Burgerland this great source of food and manufacturing the Axis couldn't reach? Seems pretty important.
That and they led the Pacific theatre.