They have somewhat similar situations

Pakistan was part of Bharat for over 3500 years. Some of Vedas were compiled in it and also it was center of Indian Buddhism for some time. Serbs and Albanians if you exclude sharing territory as Ottoman clay never had united country. Just because millions of them lived in Yugoslavia doesn't mean their native land was united with Serbia.

But there isn't significant religious differences between Serbia and the other non country?

ばかやろう :)

Even regions of Pakistan have different cuisines. I saw Kashmiris making curry with apricot pulp and apricot seed oil instead of using tomatoes and butter like Punjabis.

North India accounts for 20% of India while the majority is south and central India

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yeah but indian cuisine is affiliated with northern one in whole world. maybe countries of indochina and asean area are more exposed to dravidian style cooking.

North Indian cuisine just gets more exposure, same can be said about bollywood. South Indians have their own film industry too

Wait, so are Pakistanis just islamized hindus or are they a separate group of people?

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Different people came, different armies invaded yada yada arabs, yada yada persians, blam bloom durranis hippaty hoop Pakistan

Yeah I heard about south industry. It's somewhat popular among Asean countries since they share some of lanugae with dravidian groups.

zahne imran khan a gaiyom

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South indian food is superior in every respect. Have you ever eaten idli dosa sambaar in Pakistan? I'll parcel some for you after the UN clears it.

What sort of pakistani food are we missing out on?

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there was some resturant chain that specilized in South indian food, I tried bhosa because I saw it on most of Indian street foods. Meh, then there were other crunchy things that I could not pronounce that tasted nice

Lol. You wish. Can't wait for genetic tests to be more popular here so that we have the facts though.

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You can draw a lot of other similarities. Both had it's religious created by a central asian dynasty that made it's home in native lands, both dynasties had their highest period of growth towards the end of the middle ages, both began to decline from the 18th century and were later bullied by local powers and were eventually put to an end in the last centuries by the british empire after reaching their lowest point

I wouldn't say serbs and albanians tho more like serbs and """bosnians"""

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What's the street food scene in Pakistan? Is it only meat? Do you get samosas, dhabelis, Mumbai chaat (garbage), momos?

Sucks that we know so little about neighbours.

* religious identity

Wtf is 15-17? Are there green people we don't know about?

>What is Kerala?

Fuck everyone but Croats, only they are allowed to hate me

Wheatish.

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That food ranger autist is on tour in pakistan now. You can see what they eat.

why do you know so much about Pakistan? This is a meme country unlike somewhere in europe so I dont know why would someone want to learn so much about it

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Too busy hating myself, no time for you.

Read many books about Asian history. Just finished reading books about Siberia, Tibet and Thailand history.

You missed the part where millions of muslim Indians from across the British India colony came in trains which basically makes you the same people

Same, but just saying. You're the only non subhuman neighbours who hate us. Fuck B*snians and Alb*nians and whoever else

bosniaks > hrvats > srps

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soooooo, thoughts?

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on what exactly?

The Albanian governmenr never made war with serbia, but as albanians yes we had war but its mostly a gegh thing
Albania is mostly all atheist though, only lately islam is being reborn
Also, albania doesnt occupy kosova retard, its an independent state

Pakistan

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Is it true that gipsies are basically refugees who ran away from India when muslims started butchering and genociding the Hindu culture in parts of India?

All in all, quite tragic.

Wasn't pakistan born after 50s though
Before that you were hindus with one language albeit you with more persian influence
Or im wrong

Areas closer to Iran and Afghanistan were more muslims, areas further away were Hindu. Areas closer became Pakistan

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Why is Serbia such a troublemaker?
>assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand that caused WW1
>fought a war with Bosnia and eventually received international opposition
>didn't get the memo and fought a war with Kosovo 3 years later
>starting wars with everyone in proximity
>even started a 10 day conflict with Slovenia
>Tito
>Chetniks
I used to think Serbia dindu nuffin and Bill Clinton was just full of shit, but then I saw all the wars they just somehow managed to find themselves in

Before that it was under the rule of Sikhs but even under Sikh domination the language of the court was persian

Yes but religion is a different thing
Its like saying Skenderbeg isnt albanian because he fought muslims
Because they are bloodthirsy savages with amssive victimization who think balkan belongs to them

Some came like ottoman slaves, others migrated for religious reasons. There are some who are called Indira, Mitar, Seradž which are Sanskrit names but they are all muslims.

not really, it was just a mish and mash of different people. Although if you go back far enough everyone in the subcontinent were pure dravidian

Yes i know, i said the pakis had more persian because they werent hidus who had more Sanskrit influence

Indians are probably less islamicized than the Serbs. In Serbia, when visiting the house of a newfledged mother, it is customary to say mashallah to the mother as a sign of respect, for instance. A christian Serbocroatian expression of admiration is 'alal ti vjera' (your religion is halal). Another such expression is 'sevap (ti je)', which stems from the Arabic 'tawab' - divine reward. It is customary in Serbocroatian to swear by or bessech alaj (allah) instead of merely bog (god). Serbs and Croats are muslim on some level whereas indians may not be.

Same goes for slovenia, with the exception of the germanized cities

Ethnic nationalism only became popular in the past few centuries and in the indian sub continent a bit after.
The main split came from the mughals who used religion to distinguish themselves from conquered subjects, like the ottomans. Before that in the region people identified through their caste or clan I suppose if you're the more iranian side of pakistan. You could sometimes have people of the same caste and origin fighting on different sides because of religion. Sikhs are literally just turbaned punjabis desu.

well, no, it's doesn't, and neither will you find this sort of Balkan vocabulary around Zagreb.

>In Serbia, when visiting the house of a newfledged mother, it is customary to say mashallah to the mother as a sign of respect, for instance. A christian Serbocroatian expression of admiration is 'alal ti vjera' (your religion is halal). Another such expression is 'sevap (ti je)', which stems from the Arabic 'tawab' - divine reward. It is customary in Serbocroatian to swear by or bessech alaj (allah)
We don't have this here. From point of islamization I think India has it way more.

>it is customary to say mashallah to the mother as a sign of respect
This is not true at all what are you on about? We just say congrats

Maybe you're a city-dweller and your family has lost this custom, but I have heard that this is the case in a rural Serbian setting from both Slovenes and Serbs. It makes the religious wars of the 90s sound less religious and more like a land grab between regional post-Ottoman hajduk and sipahi elites.

Yes its what i was saying, they are people with just different religion, like bosniaks and serbs
Not right now, but rural slovenia had quite a lot of turkish influence, it just has dissapeared because it was seen as backward and nationalism awareness grew

This is Bosnian, literally no one says sevap or alaj or what not in Serbia or Croatia (I'm half half and go around both countries) . We make fun of Bosnians who do it. The only thing you wrote that is somewhat used is alal ti vera and you won't hear anyone younger than 30 using it

Tamam insan azad aur huquq izzat ke iʻtibar se barabar paida hu’e haiṇ. Unhen zamir aur ʻaql wadīʻat hu’ī he. Isli’e unheṇ ek dusre ke sath bha’i chare ka suluk karna chahi’e. This is hindi/urdu sentence.
You can see how much arabic and persian is in there. Meanwhile same sentence in standard Croatian: "Svi ljudi su rođeni jednaki i s istim pravima. Imaju razum i savjest i trebaju se ponašati u duhu bratstva jedni prema drugima." Not a single islamic loanword in this case. We do have around 700-800 islamic loanwords in standard vocabulary but hindi/urdu has around 6000 of them maybe more which is like 8 times more.

Yes of course gipsies have the custom to adapt to the religion of their host society over time, so a lot of them are muslim now.

I'm more interrested in what happened when muslims penetrated into northwestern Indian realms. Can you recommend specific literature or other sources maybe?

>but rural slovenia had quite a lot of turkish influence

rural Slovenia had no Turkish influence because rural Slovenes were never in contact with Ottoman culture before the political union with the Serbs who introduced burek, sarme, čevapi, the Turko-Arabo-Persian loanwords that every Slovene is familiar with today like papak, šupak, šaban, dupe, pare etc., Ottoman music in the form of Serbian traditional music, and so forth.

I'm in semi rural Vojvodina now, I sometimes live in Novi Sad, and I've never heard of that custom before, and I've never heard anyone swearing by Allah either I don't know where you got that from lad

Stop replying to him he's obviously uninformed

>tamam
okay
>insan
man
>azad
pity i think, or something you give to the poor
>itibar
Has totally fallen out of use
>barabar
Equal?
>chare
Choice or possibility?
Im ready to become a paki

Mate saying wallah was popular even in slovenia, im not saying slovenia was the same as serbia or croatia, but you underestimate the turkish influence

>This is Bosnian, literally no one says sevap or alaj or what not in Serbia or Croatia

sevap is sometimes used on ex-yu even by Croats. What's silly is perhaps my trollish claim that this has anything to do with Islam on an ideological basis and isn't just a turn of phrase. And yet when infographics are posted on Jow Forums, you can sometimes see little cultural quirks such as washing up after going to the toilet being far more widespread in the Balkans than in Europe (due to the islamic rules regarding hygiene), that testify to a subtle islamic influence on your culture. A Serb user with historical inclinations actually once posted a poem in /ex-yu/ by an 18th century Serbian convert to Islam, relating how he treats his local orthodox church as his 'amanet' despite being muslim, which I think shows that a portion of your nation switched religions more than once before settling on Orthodoxy with independence, which would explain this unacknowledged islamic influence.

Is this true?

>Mate saying wallah was popular even in slovenia

Hvala and wallah are not the same word, but I'm interested where you got this notion from.

>slovenia had quite a lot of turkish influence

They were part of the Frankish, the German Holy Roman and then the Austro Hungarian Empires and were never occupied by Ottomans for a longer period of time.

If I had a cent for every time someone believed hvala is a Turkish word...

There's a lot of historical Hindu/Buddhist propaganda about it. Generally speaking the atmosphere is fairly similar to when Ottomans started making land inroad to Europe with sources just calling them savage barbarians raping and plundering, which was only boosted by them being foreigners to the caste system.

Of course this wasn't always the case as sometimes islamic dynasties were commended for keeping the peace or building temples.

>A christian Serbocroatian expression of admiration is 'alal ti vjera' (your religion is halal). Another such expression is 'sevap (ti je)', which stems from the Arabic 'tawab' - divine reward. It is customary in Serbocroatian to swear by or bessech alaj (allah) instead of merely bog (god).
What?
The only time I ever heard about something like this is when my friend who had a Macedonian grandma realized that she sometimes said ''mashallah'' in some context that I forgot.
>Largest Bosnian city in the world

>and were never occupied by Ottomans for a longer period of time.

For any period of time, in fact, though there were several unsuccessful Turkish sieges of Ljubljana which have left toponymical traces, such as one of the approaches to Šmarna gora hill near LJ. being named 'turška kuhinja', and a nearby town district 'Bežigrad' - beg + grad.

I was in slovenia myself, a local old villager himself said to me that it was a word used in the past
I also read a book in srbocroatian from a german (translated in 71 i think) which talked about the turkisms influence in yugo and it showed that slovenian had also quite a lot

>There's a lot of historical Hindu/Buddhist propaganda about it

I suspected that much, but the fact alone of the existence of gipsies in all areas from India to Europe indicates that there was really some fucked up shit like massive deportaitions and enslavement of Hindu people going on.

why this reminds me of Malaysia/Indonesia

now you just trollin

I knew you would say that, but the truth is all balkan WAS influenced by turks, yes even slovenians and hungarian, and you dont need occupation for that

Tito was a Sloveno-Horvat mutt not a Serb.

Slovenian had Turkish influences just like Czech does, but those probably go back to the dark ages for words like klobuk (kalpak - Turkic for hat). A handful might have been borrowed during the wars with the Ottomans, such as top, torba and buzdovan. And lastly there are a handful of expressions borrowed via Serbocroatian, such as žep (džep), čevapčič, katran and baker. However, this influence does not extend to expressions such as wallah (I doubt this was in use even in Rumelia), aferim, sikter, and whatever other terms were borrowed via everyday interactions with Ottoman muslims.

Yeah you're right. A lot of the pagan population sold as slaves were people trapped in debt or rebels so there was quite a number of them. But Hindu skilled-labour slaves in the greater Islamic world were also usually in high demand because of India's more advanced textile industry, agricultural production and architecture tradition.

Fun fact tho, later pagans were given Dhimmi (People of the Book i.e Christians and Jew's) status to consolidate their rule. This is when Islam began to have a lot of cultural influence in the subcontinent.

yeah, Tito was from Kumrovec, which is just on the Croatian side of the SLO-CRO border on the river Sotla.

Gazwa al Hindi can't come soon enough. Fuck shitdia.

>t. mexican throat cutter

This is a fucking Urdu.
I don't understand this shit.

indians are more islamized than serbs. arabic was taught alongside Sanskrit in India and is still in many places. besides we've like 200 million Muslims.

Bollywood produces some of the best representatives of modern Islamic culture
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Every man is born equal and free or something. I can make most of it. You must be a Southerner?

holy shit northies are beyond saving
that's literally.. i can't even..
north indian culture is almost same as sandnigger culture.
>O Habibi Mashallah bantal shakalala blah blah azimullah
lmao absolute state of ""Hindi"""

It's obviously northern parts since I clearly stated hindi/urdu

stay mad Munkeshwaralingam. I'll be travelling Arabia on a carpet with me as Aladdin with a QT sand princess while you can fish for Thogai or whatever fish in the Arabian sea.

I can speak textbook Hindi
Northie muzzie shit is not comprehensible to me

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