What's going on in Hong Kong?

99% decision making process are still done within Hong Kong, which make it seems like Hong Kong still have autonomy, except the government is effectively installed by Beijing so they make decision according to Beijing's desire

That's so fucked up. I don't like the mainlanders. I thought the whole insect thing was a meme until I met Mainland Chinese subhumans. Some of them are alright, though.

Why the Taiwan flags? Are they trying to get Taipei to biblically support HK autonomy or something? I feel like One China policy is already dead for all practical purposes.

Also what are the odds that Carrie Lam caves in any way?

Most of the decent mainlanders died in Tiananmen Incident, Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward. Now it is just bunch of barbarian

But Hong Kong autonomy is temporary. It was literally stated in treaty between UK and China during handover.

Yes, but the treaty promised high degree of autonomy of Hong Kong for 50 years. Now the commui tries to erase it way sooner.

Some Hongkonger fantasized they could negotiate a renewal of the treaty by then. It's all fucked up now.

I'm not surprised if some dudes went to join them, if that thing passed every Taiwanese set foot in Hong Kong could be easily arrested and kidnapped to China.

They're going to pass the law anyway, and the Hong cucks are going to bitch and moan about it and take it anyway, like their British masters taught them to

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This parade is even more pathetic than the umbrella revolution

The flag still legally represent the "Republic of China". While the concept of "Taiwan" have already overshadowed the concept of "Republic of China" in Taiwan proper, others in the Greater China area that are not satisfied with PRC but still get influenced by propaganda of the concept of "China", including some people in mainland China and also some people in Hong Kong, continue to see this "Republic of China" as an alternative to PRC that can rule the entirety of China area.

Repeat of the Mong Kok riots when?

Pretty much this, if the chink-affliacted leaders aren't going to budge to 10 thousand people marching nothing will.

I know the local police usually implement falseflaggers to implicit the protestors but we really need some deaths to get some actual change for this situation (for better or worse).

Makes me wonder what would've happened if Hong Kong and Macao were ceded to Taiwan instead.

You had one job colonial powers.

>a gay furry is complaining about china
Thanks Pooh.

America and Britain were utter cucks in regards to China from the 80s to 2000.

China was dirt poor relatively powerless then. They had a golden opportunity to play hard ball with them like they did with the soviets. Instead they gave them factories, investments, invited them to the world bank and practically jump started their economy for them. All without getting any concessions on democracy, human rights and fair trade.

May Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and the jewish business elites rest in piss.

Trump was right lads.

>if the chink-affliacted leaders aren't going to budge to 10 thousand people marching nothing will.
Looks like she is not going to.

The real China

of course not, she doesn't answer to the local people.

this can only end in 1 of 2 ways:
1
>continue "peaceful protest"
>legislation passes
>everybody grumbles about chinks but does nothing to change the situation
>people still gets abducted back to China and more and more bullshit contiunes to happen

2
>government afflicted individual got KIA during protest
>chinks has a valid reason to send in the army/tanks to "quell the rebellion"
>HK becomes a real china state overnight

both options are equally undesirable but at least 2 is actually doing something

For Hong Kong, the decision was already being made in 1951, as Hong Kong's proximity to mainland China make it impossible to defense itself against any invading forces, as shown in WWII where solider in the territory fought bravely but Japan was still able to occupy it in less than a month. if they let ROC control Hong Kong instead then China will simply occupy it militarily like many other islands it occupied from ROC in 1950s.
For Macau, Portugal authority were not able to establish firm control on local Chinese community there, and they also have their hands full in mid 20th century with their domestic politics, and PRC force have already infiltrated and indirectly ruled Macau Chinese community since certain event in 1967 so they don't have choice here.

Also, it should be noted that, before 1990s, the Nationalistic party ruling Republic of China was only barely better than PRC. Sure, they gave citizens more economic freedom than PRC and they also don't have something similar to cultural revolution or great leap forward, but the entire government was still an authoritarian one that silent all oppositions. Things only improve from late 1980s when they started democratization process, but by the time the fate for Hong Kong and Macau have already been sealed.

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>without getting any concessions on democracy, human rights and fair trade.
So free market capitalism

>this can only end in 1 of 2 ways:
This is just your one-sided opinion.

I am not delusional enough to think this could end in a big happy ending where she just pussies out because of public pressure like what happened in 2003.

Nothing can stop the chinks upstairs from crushing us completely, certainly not 10 thousand soft-bellied civilians with no means of retaliation and bargaining power whatsoever.

*a million soft-bellied civilians
But you're correct. He's fucking delusional. There isn't a third happy-ending option.

>delusional
Ok. Whatever, dude(s).

Did I say anything about "happy-ending" though? No.
Who is delusional then?

That's why I stop chatting on Jow Forums, or Jow Forums.
And, some short-sighted people's desire of a bloodbath really makes me cringe,
meanwhile they just hide in the bush of anonymity, yelling for more blood.

>a million soft-bellied civilians
Not true either.
But whatever. You guys keep up the hard work typing, ok?

Care to list a realistic 3rd option scenario then? Because I don't see you making a plausible suggestion of what could happen in both of the posts you made, all you have said in attack of my points are "nu-uh!" and threatening to leave the argument just because things aren't going your way is extremely childish.

Police estimate 240k people at the protest at its peak. 2003, police estimate 350k people at its peak. Given the 16 year difference. I don’t think the government will give in this time.

You are right but for the wrong reasons, police numbers were always false because they always downplay the number to lessen the social impact.

The government will not give in because our gommie overlords gave the order to never let up, everyone and their dog stood up and straight up told the governmment that this legislation is bullshit and the re-precautions of letting it go through will severely damage HK's position internationally, this whole kerfuffle went back and forward for an entire month and our government didn't budge an inch despite having no solid ground to fall back on, this should be signs that China want this legislation to go through or heads will roll.

And the organizers always exaggerate their numbers. Given the two choices I find the police have far less to gain. With better training and resources to properly gauge the size of crowds.

Government won’t give in, like they did in 2003, because there is less and less dissent to these changes over time. In 2003, did the PRC force the law through even though it couldn’t pass legislation? Nope.

>Given the two choices I find the police have far less to gain
tl;dr the government are in bed with the police and there has been evidence of the police overestimating the numbers of marchers on the street when they march for a pro-china cause. That said I also agree with organizer inflating numbers themselves but as I stated above, the number of protesters is not the deciding factor here.

>In 2003, did the PRC force the law through even though it couldn’t pass legislation? Nope.
That's because Winnie the Xi wasn't in power back then, under Hu's rule China is actually opening itself up more to foreign ideas so their intention on passing the bill during 03 wasn't that solid.

Meanwhile when Xi came into power he strongarms his way into everything, crushes any opposition within the party very openly and generally won't take no for an answer. Surely you remember the news when Xi treats himself to a never ending term back in 17 right?

>all you have said in attack of my points

You call these "attacks of your points"?
If you truly believe I "attacked" your points, I have more reasons to not chat.

>Care to list a realistic 3rd option scenario then?
Question: did you list a realistic option though? Do you really think I would fall for that?
You just listed your opinion that you think it is realistic, that you think it is right, that you think it would happen.
Yet you are eager to attack back whatever I am going to suggest "is non-realistic".
So, no. I don't care.

You and your mature buddies can have it all among yourselves.
They probably will agree with you. You know, some of them really are delusional.

You should bet on what will happen this morning. 記得開盤. Cheers.

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The number of protestors gives a rough estimate of how much dissent the populace can manifest. If you don’t like the law, but aren’t willing to do two shits about it, your opinion is worthless. Claiming the police are in bed with the political parties of the government is in my opinion a cynical response. You have zero evidence to suggest this.

Look we can argue, what if Xi was there or wasn’t. The fact of the matter is the PRC didn’t ram though the law when it could not pass legislation in 2003. They could or could not happen with this. But that’s uncertain. Using the previous closest case study suggests it won’t be the case here as well.

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>Yet you are eager to attack back whatever I am going to suggest "is non-realistic".

I am telling you to suggest options that's not what I stated in , why do you keep dancing around the question?

Also If you truly don't care you wouldn't bother to reply to my post anyways, keep masturbating with your 阿Q-esque post.

>Look we can argue, what if Xi was there or wasn’t. The fact of the matter is the PRC didn’t ram though the law when it could not pass legislation in 2003.

agree to disagree
also
>quoting scmp

that's like quoting the guardian on Europe migrant policies but ok.

one more thing
>You call these "attacks of your points"?

>This is just your one-sided opinion
>some short-sighted people's desire of a bloodbath really makes me cringe
>meanwhile they just hide in the bush of anonymity, yelling for more blood

that totally isn't an attack on me or my opinions or anything, I dare you to not reply with something along the lines of "dude I am just saying about the general attitude about this thread and it's not directed to you personally haha".

Read the content. Using Hong Kong universities public opinion programme, the police give far more accurate measurements than organizers.

There is nothing to agree or disagree with. I’m stating a reality. You’re exercising mental gymnastics with what if scenarios.

and I also told you in my previous post that I also believe >"organizer inflating numbers themselves but as I stated above"
and I end that part with
>"the number of protesters is not the deciding factor here"

unless you are trying to actually being serious with the "The number of protestors gives a rough estimate of how much dissent the populace can manifest" thing which is the most laughable thing ever.

I can literally deny anything (e.g. with or against China) by stating the number of the total population of HK - number of people who attend a certain event, for someone who claims the police is employing an empirical method to count heads using this argument to argue is not very empirical at all.

To which I said, if the populace can’t take off one hour a day to attempt a protest against something they feel strongly about and would rather just do what the normally do, then their opinions mean nothing. Without a high turnout of dissent there is nothing that can convince the government to change course because the protests represent how much of the populace is even willing to attend a protest much less riot or take further action over a longer period of time. If this turnout is low, the government can simply say ‘okay, this is the maximum amount of the population willing to oppose us? Less than what was experienced 16 years ago?’

I did not claim is was a certain number. Crowd estimates are estimates. It may not be precise, but it can be accurate.

Doesn't matter in the end. It will get passed anyway, and Hong Kong will go back to business as usual as its autonomy continues to be eroded by the Chinese government and by mainland immigrants.

Extradition treaties usually requires the crime to exist in both jurisdiction.
Is this one different, or is this just anti-china fake news?

As far as I can tell, the charge must be criminal in both jurisdictions. No extradition for religious, political or death sentences and a judge or a panel of judges and the ceo must review the evidence and personally sign off on it before anyone can be extradited. Still a shit deal no matter what though for anybody in HK. Giving up something for nothing in return.

So it is literally fake news and there is nothing to see beside the western propaganda going overdrive.

This post is after you threw me the word "delusional", with your so "realistic" opinion.
But looks like you liked to count that in as me "attack" first. You fit in the seat anyway, so whatever.

Do you know who like to attack people while claiming the other side attacked first? Americans.
Your barbaric behaviors look like them.

I wish people in HK were less selfish. The world needs China as a counter-balance to the stupidity and enslavement the burgers are trying to force on everyone else.

Maybe, but never the China under the control of CCP

Who else? The worst thing that has happened to the world in recent memory was the collapse of the USSR. A multi polar world is a sane one.

Nevermind, I love the CCP now

Political figures in China were never prosecuted by political reasons but other make-up crimes. Also, chief executive of Hong Kong is not democratically elected.

The currently extradition law excluded China intentionally because their judicial system cannot be trusted

Didn't Germany just give two Hong Konger's asylum because China wanted to put them in prison?

they just kidnap people covertly anyway so why does it matter

Hong Kong charged those two with rioting. The laws used to charge them we’re British. They skipped bail and fucked off to Germany when it looked like they couldn’t convince a judge in Hong Kong that they did not break the law.

Based! China is reclaiming ancient Ming land

fuck the CCP. without them China would be the most respected nation in the world. Instead, they bath in a sea of lies and murders. I'll always love their culture and history and I'm sure the people will find a way

>democracy, human rights and fair trade.
You can't make huge profits selling out your own citizens if you don't have a willing workforce paid slave-wages somewhere else. How new are you?

With this amendment, there will be even less protection. And CCP could just get whoever they want overtly

But most importantly, US might withdraw from the US-Hong Kong policy act if the law get passed. Hong Kong economy and global status will be completely annihilated.

Not niggers apparently.

The government is importing now. This place will be shithole in no time at the rate.