people can spend years taking for example Spanish classes, study Spanish grammar and Spanish vocabulary yet they cannot string even a sentence together and all they remember is a couple of words and pre made sentences. In Japan it is compulsory to study English starting grade 5 all the way to the end of high school, that's 8 years worth of English studying. Yet barely any Japanese know how to speak English and this is despite the fact the that the Japanese are some of the smartest people on earth while the largest English speaking population in the world (Americans) are some of the dumbest, where 15% of the adult population are illiterate.
Literally the only way to learn language is through comprehensible input, it's the way babies learn language, it's the way we all learn it.
You're goddamm right, in Spain there are few people who can speak proper English because the system is obsolete
Kevin Carter
I learned English through Jow Forums
Robert Roberts
It does work user. It's called using your langauge outside of class. Not the teachers job to babysit you. Do you rail against the system because you learned math but fail to apply it in your life?
I went to a French immersion high school were about 33% of the school did many of their classes in French(duh). But of rest of the school, basically no one had acquired French. This goes for people that took french until the 12th grade and got near perfect grades
Asher Moore
No it's not, math is a conscious process, while language is an unconscious process. For example currently when I am writing this post, I am not consciously thinking about the grammar, vocabulary or word order, my unconscious takes care that for me. But if I were presented with a math question I'd have to think about the answer consciously.
Here is another example, if I present to you two different English phrases >the big red dog and >the red big dog it probably wouldn't be difficult for you to tell me which one of those two sounds more natural, even though you most likely have no knowledge of the grammar rule which explains why
Angel Rivera
This era of (neo-)Jow Forums literally uses wrong English on purpose, I hate to break it to you.
You probably think cucking and racemixing are real words and that manchild is a childish adult. You'd be mistaken.
Camden Brown
pakkoruotsi
Michael Rogers
And almost no one under 40 can speak Swedish.
Matthew Brooks
which one is it
Hudson Moore
big red dog
Isaac Roberts
red big dog
William Thomas
I was taught English, Swedish and German in school I can currently speak Finnish, English and Japanese
Teaching languages in school is really inefficient and can only serve as the starting point, you need to actually use the language to learn it
Angel Sanders
Swedish, German and English are the same language.
Finnish and Japanese are the same language.
Finnish and Japanese are the same people.
Jason Wood
>you need to actually use the language to learn it What do you mean by "use the language"?
Christopher Young
Nah i completely disagree , traditional way of learning works great but the main reasons we think its shit is because
1. The average language learner is a lazy cunt who doesnt study enough using a book or audio to get enough input and they dont speak the lang enough to get a good output which consolidates the input
2. People constantly compare how a child learns to how adult learns which is retarded and we never actually criticize how a child learns which takes years until they can sound like a profficient adult. The only thing that children are superior to adulta in is their accent and fluidity when speaking
Listen to natives speaking it and chat/speak with other people in the language
Nolan James
But at some point you consciously learned grammer by reading or listening to people
Julian Anderson
If I browse /fr/ 10 hours a day for 4 months can I learn french
Ayden Gray
Can you say this in English please?
Parker Torres
No, it all happens unconsciously. By the time children go to school to learn their native languages grammar they already know how to speak the language. 1000 years ago when only nobels got educated, the peasants still knew how to speak their language fluently.
Landon Rodriguez
I am curious about language learning so I'll ask you a few questions
1. How do you do that without first learning some of the grammar and vocab? How much grammar and vocab would you recommend a person learn before they are able to go and partake in what you just said 2. Do you have a starting point for picking any language you feel like and knowing what you need to learn to master it, i.e a subject governing what features you'll need to learn 3. How quickly do you think somebody could learn one new language to fluency if they locked themselves in a study and learnt it the way you would recommend?
Josiah Smith
>despite the fact the that the Japanese are some of the smartest people on earth while the largest English speaking population in the world (Americans) are some of the dumbest lmao I love how you just give this statement as fact
Mason Reed
oh dear
Owen Brown
no you didn't
Jose Jones
Stop learning languages just speak English
Gavin Hughes
>the peasants still knew how to speak their language fluently.
No they didn't. That's how dialects and regional stiff is formed.
Luke Hall
>math is a conscious process
Brah a lot of stuff in math becomes 2nd nature after a ton of exposure.
Aiden Green
School classes are good for the very basic grammar and words, anything past that is generally better learnt from using the language and looking up words or grammar when you encounter them. It is however possible to learn from just consuming native content with translations, just look at how many weebs have learnt Japanese words and sentences and have some level of understanding even if they watch something without subtitles
>3. How quickly do you think somebody could learn one new language to fluency if they locked themselves in a study and learnt it the way you would recommend? Depends on what you consider fluency. For most languages 1-2 years will be enough if you are serious about learning. Personally I learnt Japanese from watching a LOT of anime for around 5 years and then started chatting with natives without ever actually trying to learn the language
Camden Richardson
bump
Adam Hill
t. Alien who speaks its own native language and English
James Sanders
this is true, ever since i just focussed on trying to understand and using flashcards(anki) my spanish has improved heaps
