Why do muslims worship a warlord?

t. butthurt sunni bydlo

We worship God. He who defeated death and absolved our sins.

go to hell pagan

Fair point.
Why do Jow Forumsfags like Jesus so much them?

Would you rather worship a warlord or a hippie on a piece of wood?

There are non trinitarian christians
also, go back

No they don't Muslims worship the statue piece of khaabar in Kaaba

>not worshipping a warlord
>worshipping a virgin kike

Except that Christ is God. We figured that out centuries ago, before Islam existed. Now back to North Africa/Albania Muhammad.

This. the question of trinity was up to debate centuries before our favorite pedophile was born.

Muslims don't worship him. Muhammad was a prophet not a god. And its better to follow a conqueror than some skinny cuckold twink who keeps getting killed. No turning the other cheek shit in Islam.

Shi'ites and based and bloodpilled
>ywn eternally mourn Imam Hossein's death

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Checked and based

Why do people still fall for the religion meme IN THE CURRENT YEAR

LMAO LIKE NIGGA HOW STUPID ARE YOU?

yeah man
science and stuff
labcoats
yeah

>son of a whore
>dad still raise him like a cuck
do christcucks really do this?

She was a virgin ;)

This is 100% false
Muslims care more about Muhammad and his likeness than the actual concept of Tawhid or Allah, even considering that Tawhid is the fundamental foundation of all Islamic faith which is why you're allowed to depict Allah but not Muhammad
Stop spreading misinformation

>worship
we do not worship him, although some consider him a perfect human he is a man at the end.
also Imagine Actually worshiping a kike on a stick

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Based
christcucks btfo

Warlords are based.

Tawhid = Shirk
Debate me losers

>Why do muslims worship a warlord?
we don't. the conquest wasnt done for conquests sake, nor any personal nor material nor political nor institutional gain, it was done to spread the word of god, and all those who accepted god were exempt, as per the quran.

>It's warlike(based)
nope, only war that is justified is against those repressing you or instigating you first. then you may reciprocate.
>Discriminates against women(based)
men and women are utterly equal under islam and sharia, its western misconceptions about what equality really means that confuses people.
>Holds back science (epic,anprim all the way)
literally no. technology was and is encouraged even by the prophet muhammad (saw) himself. the reason the compass was invented was to find direction to mecca to pray.

cope

it's weird to see all those muslims offending Jesus here, considering he's supposed to be one of their most important prophets who will come back during the end of the world to slay antichrist

Mohammed isn't worshiped

Yes, technically he is, according to your theology.

not like jesus is in christianity, no.

kys munafiq.

>here's my opinion on how it should be
Nope. Muhammad, according to the doctrine of Tawhid, must be worshipped.

Being a stupid arabnigger, you'll probably feel bamboozled at the thought of these two seemingly unrelated concepts being "conflated". But respond and we'll go further down the hole ;)

how so

muslim depiction of jesus and christian beliefs in large is like a 12 year olds fanfiction

im not an arab. try again, john.

The doctrine of Tawhid forbids distinctions 'within' God. [This is the Muslim objection to the Trinity.]
This also forbids by extension any distinction between the essence of God and the 'actions' of God, and so the action of creation becomes eternal. And therefore all created things are God because no Essence/Energies distinction is possible under Tawhid. Therefore, worship sand and Muhammad, because it's all God. Islamic theology, being inconsistent, tells you not to do this. It's a joke - and the same sentiment of absolute divine simplicity is held by Roman Catholics - such irony!

There is more than one god, and jesus ain't one of them

butthurting wh*tes is worth a few months in hell

Okay. Why should I believe in multiple Gods or Godesses?

based and brownpilled

/bread

I'ma throw an equally good question back at you
Why should you believe in one god?

I don't.

>Nope. Muhammad, according to the doctrine of Tawhid, must be worshipped.
> doctrine of Tawhid
were does it say so in the quran Nigger?
ashhadu anna la illah ila allah muhammad rasulullah
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God
there is literally nothing else to it Shartoid

cope

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More power to you, bruv

>This also forbids by extension any distinction between the essence of God and the 'actions' of God
no, that's not an extension to it at all
in pretty much all living islamic schools, god i above the laws of physics, he's outside our (and other if any) plane of existence

Because he was based

>born porn
>hated the roman degenerates and their warmongering tradition
>hated the corrupt jewish goverment in judea and its vision of god as a violent prick
>tells everyone God is actually a nice guy and wants salvation for everyone
>gets a ton of followers
>J*ws hate him because of this so they complot against him
>crucifix him
>followers aint having nothing of that shit so they rebel both against the romans
>roman collapse just 500 years later

Jesus caused the collapse of the roman empire and we all should thank him because of this

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It doesn't matter if he is outside our realm of existence. I would agree with you, he most certainly would be. It remains that if action (according to Tawhid) is indistinguishable from the essence of God, then all things are created eternally, and are thusly divine.

>born poor

fix´d

For your benefit the only schools to directly challenge this question are the Mu'tazila and the Asha'ira.

that sounds so stupid, must be some shit sunnis cobbled together to counter mu'tazila arguments about free will

The problem is a lot older than Sunni thought, unfortunately. Roman Catholicism has the same problem. Yes, Mu'tazila do discuss the issue in depth, but unfortunately their answers don't suffice without sacrificing fundamental principles of Tawhid - the oneness of God. Maybe you will find the Mu'tazila school's dialogues to your benefit? I wish you well in exploring your faith.
>it sounds stupid
Personal incredulity doesn't make it wrong.

>then all things are created eternally, and are thusly divine.
no, retard. divinity is in being beyond this plane of existence. this or these planes do not hold the capacity for divinity. its like saying that all my actions are parts of me. if i have a baby that baby is not literally part of me, its offspring. in that way existence on this plane is offspring of god, but not god himself, because it cannot be divine as he is.

Non argument.

okay munafiq

You were refuted already. That he exists outside our universe doesn't change the fact that tawhid prevents distinctions within God.
You're wise to point out that created things can't be 'divine', so there you go: another contradiction in Islam. You've just proven you're guilty of Shirk for possessing a theology that encourages worship of creating things (while at the same time saying not to.)
If you don't like that your actions are distinct from your essence, reject Tawhid.

Because God can't be a man, if God became a man then he is fallible because he bounds by the natural law and thus aren't omnipotent.

> That he exists outside our universe doesn't change the fact that tawhid prevents distinctions within God.
your entire argument is semantics lmfao. the existence of god is overarching but this is not to say that god exists in his pure form on our plane of existence, which is impossible, its just that he created us, but we have impurity and so gods creations cannot be equivalent in any way to god, if he so abstained from ascribing to them purity. saying otherwise is just a retarded interpretation.

>You're wise to point out that created things can't be 'divine'
yes because its only a part of god, not a whole. thats why god cant come and appear in his unity. it would literally be impossible because the entire plane exists on an impure level compared to him.

truth is you are just an apostate trying to justify leaving islam, when no such justification exists. i pray for you brother to return to the right path, for allah is merciful and he will not judge your wariness if devotion is borne of it

Respond with an actual argument. You have nothing to say except "I hate Tawhid!"

If you don't like it, don't be a Muslim. Especially if you're an American. You just end up sounding like a hypocrite. Read the quran for a change.

now you are just lying.
It's considered forbidden in Islam to mock God or depict God.
Where the hell do you bring your sources from?

how did I know that there'd be comments about Christianity in the first few replies before opening this thread.

>this is not to say that god exists in his pure form on our plane of existence, which is impossible

It is always funny to see Muslims place limitations upon their supreme God.

>Because God can't be a man,
Than he is not omnipotent
God manifestadet itself in form of a tree for moses, what makes you think he couldnt be the same in form of man?

>Christians: God can do everything
>Well, can He cease to exist?
>Christians: Yes God can do everything.

If He became a man then he is bound by natural law you pedantic retard, dude literally shit, eat, and sleep and you guys think he had some kind of superpowers

fucking apostates never cease to amaze me, but i'll have patience with your retarded ass.
you take the tawhid to be inherently a contradiction. good find, im astonished dozens of islamic philosophers haven't spotted that over the multitudes of centuries, as well as any veritable religious authority. you have single handedly disproved the religion of 1/4 of the world, bro. awesome!

Human nature and divine nature are opposites, this is not a question of whether or not He can it’s a question of whether or not he would, which he wouldn’t, the Torah is emphatic that God is not a man, and it’s very emphatic on the incorporeality of God. In the Torah, God reminded Musa that when He spoke to him he saw no form and only heard a voice God then went on to prohibit image making for the children of Israel.

God revealed Himself to the children of Israel and to humanity on mount Sinai while revealing the Torah whatever was not part of the nature of God then is not part of it now, He didn’t reveal Himself as a trinity but rather as an absolute unity.
Even Jesus himself alludes to these principals, when asked what the most important commandment was Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4 which says the following:

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃

“Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one"

(Deuteronomy 6:4)

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i know that the concept of trinity is hard for low iq nigger chinks like you, but give it a try; he is god and man at the same time, just like he was god and a tree when he spoke to moses
>think he had some kind of superpowers
Well according to the book writen by your cube worshipping pedo, he did lots of miracles

so the trinity is god, man, tree?
youre making the same retarded argument that can be generalized to all creation as

>Hurr durrr muh divine mystery
Good luck reconciling your faiths with that small semantics alone, your theology is so fundamentally broken that's no one took your religion seriously anymore
>Well according to the book writen by your cube worshipping pedo, he did lots of miracles
Quran clearly states that all of his 'superpowers' came from GOD not himself.

You forget the last part
Ali waliya allah

No, imbecile. They are all parts of the same thing. Just like your arms and legs are different things, but parts of the same body

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Nope. Other religions do not make the same claims as Islam. Your retarded Tawhid contradiction is bound to your 'religion' and contradicts you and everything else Muhammad has to say.

Present an argument. You've lost.

Which was your favorite Muslim caliphate or empire, bros?

Two muslims owned. Debate me losers
Literally present any argument whatsoever.

Tawhid = Shirk. Change my mind

You, as well as many muslims, have a ridiculously bias view of these events and practices. You're right in that Muhamma's conquest were committed for the sake of spreading Islam (humans shouldn't venerate the idea of a conqueror regardless of reason), but the rest of your points vary from sort of correct to wildly off.
>nope, only war that is justified is against those repressing you or instigating you first. then you may reciprocate.
Islam is absolutely a supremacist ideology, I'm not saying this to antagonistic. All abrahamic have endorsements of indiscriminate violence in their holy books, but Islam was specifically built off military power. You literally state as much. The caliphates weren't conquering because they were oppressed people, they conquered because in their minds non-Muslims needed to be converted. I realize this wasn't always the case, but I'll get to that later.
>men and women are utterly equal under islam and sharia, its western misconceptions about what equality really means that confuses people.
I don't how you can unironically say this. Just as an example, why do women have to wear a burqa? I understand that in theory all followers of Islam are meant to be equal, but this just isn't how things are in practice. Muslims use things like the burqa for that same reason the Athenians used it over two thousand years ago, a means to oppress women and treat them like property. It's not rocket science. Predominately Muslim countries have some of the worst human rights laws in the world, and it's no secret why.
literally no. technology was and is encouraged even by the prophet muhammad (saw) himself. the reason the compass was invented was to find direction to mecca to pray.
I actually mostly agree with this one.

Religion is for total fucking idiots. Only the weak minded need a magical sky daddy in their lives
He is still based though

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God always had a plural identity. Elohim is plural means the divines.
Allso if the concept of trinity is hard for you to graps, there are loads of non trinitarian christian sects

Rashidun of course, they're the first generation of the umma

early Ottoman and Abbasid

>they conquered because in their minds non-Muslims needed to be converted
Lol retard they conquered for the same reasons everyone else does, and there was plenty of peace and trade between Muslims and kuffar in addition to the wars.

that wasnt my point dotard

its literally not. the same unity exists in judaism in the shema yisrael prayer that ahmed mentioned before drawn from deuteronomy 6:4, and in christian unitarianist sects. muh tawhid = shirk is a retarded presupposition that holds no actual argumentative value beyond your invokation of it to save yourself from an actual theological arguement. then, ironically, you say there is no argyument provided to you

>deuteronomy 6:4
Not ADS. Nice try, though.

>Islam is absolutely a supremacist ideology, I'm not saying this to antagonistic. All abrahamic have endorsements of indiscriminate violence in their holy books, but Islam was specifically built off military power.
depends, if you take a verse of the quran in isolation without the context to which it was revealed by god to muhammad, then its worthless because it can be interpreted in so many ways. thats why abrogation and shit exists. so yea you could use the quran to incite death to all nonbelievers but you would be wrong to do so due to context.
>Just as an example, why do women have to wear a burqa?
women have to wear hijab, burqa, or niqab depending on how strictly they want to follow the religion, which says that you must be modest in covering yourself. this concept also applies completely equally to men - that the provocative or sexual areas of the body must be completely covered at all times except in private. for men this means above the ankle to the belly button, and for women due to having breasts and long hair (typically) this extends to the hair.
>Predominately Muslim countries have some of the worst human rights laws in the world, and it's no secret why.
depends completely what you mean by human rights. is it human rights to not execute prisoners or criminals? then the us is equally bad in that. is it human rights to not imprison pedophiles or rapists? then the us is equally bad in that. the fact that morals are different call for more modesty and constraint on rabid primal instincts, and that punishment is valued more than rehabilitation are properties of a cultural system, which you'd be judging from your own culture and moral position if you automatically assumed were bad. which in of itself is no argument. plus its really hard to argue objective morality philosophically or theologically speaking. basically what 'human rights' boils down to is discrepancies in what is tolerated by western and nonwestern morality.

>christian unitarian sects have it therefore you're wrong
lol

>Nope. Other religions do not make the same claims as Islam. Your retarded Tawhid contradiction is bound to your 'religion' and contradicts you and everything else Muhammad has to say.

>Present an argument. You've lost.

btfo retards who know nothing about theology except what islamophobic youtubers tell you

Have sex.

Nope. ADS is refuted at the Council of Nicaea, Ephesus, and Chalcedon. You can be a unitarian without accepting ADS. That might shock your little brain though.

Btfo islamist retards who don't understand e/e distinction.

Tawhid = Shirk. Debate me losers.

Because they're evil.