Americans on suicide watch

>Soviet mass industrialization would occur in the already post-industrial west
nice meme

this is why we need ECOFASCISM

actually it's the opposite way sweetheart

>posted from an electronic device that has already destroyed the world more than he will ever achieve in 0.00000011% of his lifetime

The strictest environmental laws are all enforced by capitalist countries right now. Euro 6 is right around the corner and we're trailing behind albeit a little far behind due to recent political circumstances. Meanwhile, China doesn't give a fuck about emissions and happily turns it's own cities into dystopic smoggy shitholes.

Do people really not understand what capitalism is?

stopped reading at “post from le iphone meme”

We need to go deeper. We need to abolish nations and civilization and bring back tribalism and barbarity. Society should be limited 100 men strong tribes that use stone tools and fight constant genocidal warfare againts one another to prevent civilization from ever emerging again.

People KNOW what capitalism is, trust me.

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>China doesn't give a fuck about emissions and happily turns it's own cities into dystopic smoggy shitholes.
that's not true

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didn't most of the most catastrophic environmental disasters happen under communist rule? (a.k.a soviet union)

>China is communist when its bad and capitalist when its good

Powerful

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>cigarettes are capitalism
damn commies are retarded lol

It's state capitalist, so a planned economy

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Things aren’t sufficiently bad in China yet. Sufficiently bad means either we stop now or we starve a decade form now. People dying from lung cancer isn’t a problem for the Party, considering they mostly die when they are past their productive age makes it a boon for them.

Not really, similar to the US in number of disasters. Anyways singular incidents like these aren’t as big of a problem as systematic pollution is.

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uh
unenvironment.org/news-and-stories/press-release/beijing-air-improvements-provide-model-other-cities
bro

>nazi holocaust
Are you retarded?

>In planed economy it would be easier to reduce CO2 emmisions
No, what would happen in reality is that some chickenshit bureaucrat would set a quota to produce 100,000 cars in x months and everyone would rush to fulfill it regardless of the damage it would do or regardless of whether or not they actually needed 100,000 cars.

It's like you've never read anything about the environmental record of the USSR.

do people really think that transitioning to a new economic model would would end climate change?

Yeah, I guess neither the USSR or China knew.

The incentive to produce cigarettes despite cigarettes having an only negative effect on society is what, Bruce? Magic beans? No, it’s profit.

>Beijing
That's the capital, a completely different story. The economic zones of Shenzen, Shanghai, etc. are all pretty much void of regulations because they're where everything is manufactured.

see

>the absolute state of cuckpitalist itt
Keep licking that boot

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Ruskies and chinamen never smoked cigarettes?

Then why did the Soviets produce cigarettes and Alcohol industrially?

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>this nigga thinks capitalism came up with tobacco

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It's the opposite faggot. If you want to be told where to work by force and granted bare necessities for the rest of your life then go ahead. North Korea is perfect for you

Yessss that's why we should replace it with socialism.

See what?
Contamination is the result of fast industrialization, it has jack to do with politics.

yes, as we all know, WW I was started because of capitalism.

Profit.

THE
INDUSTRIAL
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>I need big daddy government to tell me what job to have and what I can own and to shoot at people who try to leave our shit society
Communism is the absolute king of bootlicker ideologies.

In my experience America is changing. As an wage slave on a EU distribution center that is merging with UK (lol Brexit) Americans do use metric for us and their freedom units when sending. Everyone in the world knows the difference between a 20 and 40 freedom feet. container.

It is true that a truck collapsed because we didn't convert the freedom units right. Our fault. But America can into metric. Dont shit on Americans for that.

Everything has a value, you retard. If you give someone a dog turd he's not going to like it as much as something that took intelligence, dedication and knowledge to make. He definitely is not going to make any effort to obtain it.

>China doesn't give a fuck about emissions

ft.com/content/3f1ba5ba-ddac-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6
>On Tuesday in Davos, all eyes were on Xi Jinping, the first Chinese president to attend the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting. His appearance came at an important moment for China, as it increasingly takes on a global leadership role, including, critically, on climate change. In his speech, President Xi stood up to defend the Paris climate agreement and called for stronger international co-operation to meet today’s global problems.
>China is leaving the rest of the world behind on clean energy. It is home to five of the top six solar panel manufacturers and five of the top 10 wind turbine makers. In 2016, it invested $88bn in renewable energy, the highest in the world. It is building capacity at an astonishing speed, installing on average more than one new wind turbine every hour. There is now compelling evidence that China’s coal consumption peaked in 2014. In the future, it should make sure that coal is not given priority over renewables on the grid. Over the long term, new coal plants simply do not make sense for it in terms of public health, the environment or the economy.
>Beijing is set to implement the world’s largest emissions trading system later this year. It will expand its seven pilot carbon trading systems to the national level. If the price levels are high enough, it will create strong incentives worldwide.
>Fourth, China is exploring new, innovative financial vehicles to finance the low carbon transition. Its emerging green bonds market could deliver about $230bn for renewable energy investment in the next five years. Those parts of the financial sector that are not explicitly green are also making changes. The People’s Bank of China has proposed mandatory disclosure of climate-related financial risks as part of reforms to make its banking system sustainable.

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>shut up and go away
Not an argument.
>muh strawman
Not an argument.

Environmental issues are not a "capitalist" problem, they are a development problem. Any economic model will cause environmental issues, provided it makes humanity progress. What commies fail to realize is that capitalism is having environmental problem BECAUSE it's a good system.

It is a good system because it made humanity hit the limits of our planet. Bad systems can't achieve that. North Korea and Cuba are indeed renowned for being very green. Maybe underdevelopment is a good thing from the point of view of communists

But what those brainlets don't realize is that capitalism is also the best system because it's actually FIXING the environmental issues which will let us progress while respecting our planet. It's the private industry who made solar cells affordable. It's the search for profit what put all those wind turbines there (yep, there were subsidies that incentivized it, but these merely accelerated what would have happened regardless, and these days renewable energy does not need subsidies anymore). It is the capitalist industries who are developing electric cards

The fix for our environmental problems is being brought by capitalism and the search for profit, not from collectivist efforts.

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Get the fuck out of my country, yank scum.

Now post actual emission stats and not propaganda.

>americans get BTFO so much they have to hide behind other flags

I could post how all US states on the west coast will be 100% renewable by 2050 too

>propaganda
Ah yes, any facts which contradict your Jow Forumstard worldview are propaganda.

But could you post things the US has actually done?
You didn't even fucking read the article or what was quoted.

I'm telling you to post actual facts, Zhang.

reminder to everybody on this thread you must be at least 18 to post on 4channel.org

Capitalist didn't do shit. This was entirely due to workers, researchers and subsidies.

>Chinese government PR is "facts"
Communist critical thinking skills in action.

I'm not Chinese and I posted the fucking article with the actual facts.
FUCKING READ, CUNT.

>Not an argument.
Not an argument.

Reminder China has 420,000 electric buses while the US has 600.

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I really fucking hope you aren't an actual Australian posting from Australia because this amount of yank bootlicking is basically treason.

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>What commies fail to realize is that capitalism is having environmental problem BECAUSE it's a good system.
t. Nwabudike Morgan

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>sucks an unfathomable amounts of Chinese dick
>y-youre a bootlicker for t-the yanks
projection levels reaching critical

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Based Alpha Centauri poster

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Is every Australian this retarded? Let me help you, communism ended in 89.

Im sorry, what?

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>it's threatened a mass extinction event?
doesn't he mean to say it has caused a mass extinction event?

>Formerly the fourth largest lake in the world with an area of 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea has been shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects.
Oops

Oh no during communism it shrank by 10%, but during capitalism it has shrank by an additional 80%. It's communism's fault! Lake Aral is the most retarded example for communist pollution.

I like how you tried to flip a criticism of China into an endorsement of the USA.

But your tricks can't get pass this guy, Xi.

This is what the average leftist believes

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yes thats right. and if we fall all of you faggots go down along with us

By 1960, between 20 and 60 km3 (4.8 and 14.4 cu mi) of water each year was going to the land instead of the sea. Most of the sea's water supply had been diverted, and in the 1960s, the Aral Sea began to shrink. From 1961 to 1970, the Aral's level fell at an average of 20 cm (7.9 in) a year; in the 1970s, the average rate nearly tripled to 50–60 cm (20–24 in) per year, and by the 1980s, it continued to drop, now with a mean of 80–90 cm (31–35 in) each year. The rate of water use for irrigation continued to increase; the amount of water taken from the rivers doubled between 1960 and 2000, and cotton production nearly doubled in the same period. In the first half of the 20th century prior to the irrigation, the sea's water level above sea level held steady at 53 m; this has changed drastically by 2010, when the large Aral was 27 m and the small Aral 43 m above sea level.

The disappearance of the lake was no surprise to the Soviets; they expected it to happen long before. As early as 1964, Aleksandr Asarin at the Hydroproject Institute pointed out that the lake was doomed, explaining, "It was part of the five-year plans, approved by the council of ministers and the Politburo. Nobody on a lower level would dare to say a word contradicting those plans, even if it was the fate of the Aral Sea."

why do commies lie so much?

Do Americans know what literally any political term means?
Are socialist societies now emission and pollution free?

damn that's a huge pipe joseph be boolin
actually you're pretty based

Let me try it again.
All journalists are shills of something, give me statistics, numbers, 统计.

>he thinks electric vehicles are inherently good for the environment

looks like a chicken

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Why is the west such a joke when it comes to stop climate change?

>Do you have proofs that aral sea is missing?

>Destruction of a landlocked sea
>Compared to fucking over life quality for mankind around the globe

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yeah it looks like chicken

Around 90% of the things(products) that surround you are products of the capitalism.
Around 90% of the things(products) that surround you are someone's business.

Your phone, computer, (gaming)chair, plastic windows, food in your fridge and the fridge itself - all made by industry and capitalism.

If you don't like capitalism - fuck off to somalia or some other remote uninhbited place.

beh-meh ivil kapitalizm: compare two guitars "telecaster" and some ussr "ural", guess which one was produced and brought up by market, and which one is the product of planned economy.

Capitalism: Cyber-punk dystopia
Communism: Steam-punk dystopia

I like Cyber-punk more.

And just how many of the things you listed are created by workers and machines? Capitalist system isn't essential for such a setup.

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Capitalism isn't a system, its freedom.

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>first worlders being commies
lmao

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This was due to the USSR's meltdown. The original intention was to divert some Siberian River to keep it full. The worst of the drying only happened after the collapse in 1991.

Imagine knowing this little about the history capitalism

this is not proofs many such geographical locations look as chicken.

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>its freedom

Freedom to wither, starve and die if you were unfortunate enough to be born in the 'wrong' region, into 'wrong' family, with a 'wrong' set of genes, I presume?

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Imagine being an American and shitting on capitalism, how fucking retarded can you be.

Could a random low iq worker start a company?
Could he buy all the machinery required to produce goods? Could he create jobs after that?
Would he be able to manage all of that, so it continues to grow, create new workplaces, to hire new workers, to create even more, better products?

Not everyone is capable of doing that, but those who are capable - amen to them. Such individuals should be praised, especially by random low iq workers, who, otherwise would struggle to find any job to sustain themselves and their families.

And how would your commie-shit save you from that?