Steve the Lion and capitalist in a nutshell

>Steve the lion likes to kill gazelle.
>Steve the lion thinks the more gazelle he kills the better. Then he will never be without food and can live in luxury.

>All the other lions think Steve is a dick and needs to stop killing so many gazelle.

>They say "Steve, because you are killing so many gazelle there is not enough food for the other lions, if you are not going to stop then at least share what you have, you can't possibly eat all of it."

>Steve the lion says fuck you.
>Steve the lion says he worked hard to catch all his gazelle. Who are the other lions to tell him how much he can eat? Steve says if they want to eat maybe they should stop being lazy and kill more gazelle.

>Frank and Bill the lion decide Steve is right and also start hoarding gazelle.

>a few months later the other lions get really angry because there are hardly any gazelle left for them to eat and they confront Steve again.

>They say, "Steve you bitch, there are almost not gazelle left because you Frank and Bill killed so many and are hoarding them all. If you dont share we will starve to death. You must share our we will take your gazelle forcefully.

>Steve says it immoral to take what he has worked for.

>The other lions say it is immoral for Steve to let them starve to death.

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>zero sum

Saged and hidden

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>muh fairness doctrine
there is no such thing as equality of outcome; it's how evolution works. improve, adapt or die; welcome to the real world.

Thanks for proving my point. Capitalist are to stupid to realize it is literally a 0 sum game.

Our planet is literally made of a limited amount of recourse. Money is a representation of the value of those resources. If one person has those recourse another can not also have the resources.

>hur during if you work hard enough resources will appear out if thin air like magic.

Capitalists are cancer.

>money is a representation of the value of resources

Nope. Not anymore it isn't. Money is valueless paper backed by nothing. Now fuck off commie redditor.

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So I can kill you and take your money If i don't have enough and I shouldn't be punished for it?

That way evolution weeds out the weak and only the strong have money.

This is how you sound.

Better throw all your useless paper away then you retarded capitalist scum. I'll leave a dumpster in my front yard for you.

Beta uprising thread?

Throw your computer away and ditch your internet. Its all the spawn of evil capitalists.

No one will miss your posting here. You act as if your post is somehow revolutionary or enlightening. Its not. We've literally heard this 9000000000000 times before.

there are consequences in a civilized society. quit being a bitch about it. nothing is free, it is universal law.

>he fell for the limited resources meme
>good goy, pay our high prices because scarcity
learn to take care of yourself and quit relying on other people to give you shit.

>States it's a zero sum game
>I already toldy you why it's not a zero sum game
>I'm smart and already came up with an argument that far surpasses yours.(no agrument)

Thank for losing and dodging the argument by providing no meaningful response. Take your position next to the other retarded sheep capitalista who listen to the greedy who are figuratively fucking them in the ass every day.

>States money is based on resources value
>its not

Wow so hard. You're a fucking idiot.

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>He can't comprehend the fact there is literally a limited amount of matter making up earth.

Get a load of this guy.

Also you misunderstand asking politely and then taking forcefully for relying on others.

you can, but implying one is morally superior or inferior is stupid, and it shows your lack of awareness for reality. morality doesn't enter into the equation because it's subjective.

because sometimes those that arent well off are arrogant, childish . dumb cunts that cannot think objectively, has no critical thought, little curiousity or ambition for the world apart from buying as many mercedes as they can.

It could be that we live in different worlds but I cant fathom why would anyone defend retards. The same goes for the faggots that think bring hardworking is sufficient grounds for compensation - just because you spend 12 hours a day weaving baskets under the sun doesn't mean you're worth as much as someone who works for 4 hours a day sucking dicks

>he thinks matter is created and destroyed and doesn't simply transfer between states
you literal brainlet

>we are tired of trading different percieved values (I'll trade you a shovel for some corn).
>lets make it easier by having a currency that has value in relation to what can be purchased by it.

>that five dollars is worth 1 burger. That 1 burger is worth five dollars.

>money wasn't created to assign value to resources.

Stop making yourself sound so stupid I know you are smarter then that.

It doesn't matter what its designed to do when the objective fact is its not backed by any resource.

>He somehow thinks that what I said mean matter disappears.
>limited
>concrete
>vanishes

it's only zero sum once all the resources have been acquired and in circulation. because we have resources that are untapped, it is not a zero-sum game.

Except in it's current state it has value regardless of what you believe could or has happened. That's why you work to make money and then spend that money at the grocery store.

it's exactly what you implied. quit moving the goalposts

Idiots can starve to death. My argument isn't that lazy lions get food handed to them for free. My argument is that there are lions that physically cannot acquire the food they need because assholes are hoarding it all.

You need a food and water to live.
You cannot acquire food and water without buying it from other people or growing it. To grow it you need land.

To live you need either currency or to take resources forcefully with no consequence. If someone is hoarding the currency then the only alternative is to take it by force.

It has perceived value but the value is not based on any resource as you claimed

Just because the end of a game has not come does not mean the game is not zero sum.

Of we transport 200 years into the future when it literally is a 0 sum game because lack of resources for the population will you change your argument?

kike shill thread. both sides are jews, one is meant to "win" in a way that convinces readers of the jews position. don't be fooled

Ok. If that is how you are viewing it then you are technically correct in definition.

Let me ask you this then.
Of you have no land and no food and water how can you obtain it legally?

Because whatever gives you that ability has value regardless of how you perceive it.

not a jew, brainlet. btw, what is the jews' position itt?

Maybe the other lions should compete for gazelles, in fact they could team up to be able to hoard gazelles at a faster rate, this in turn will force competing lions to develop better ways to catch gazelles, competency will improve their hunting skills and bring infitines gazelles, if the enviorement can’t provide enough gazelles by this point lions will be so develop they will be herding gazelles and creating their own gazelle farms.

yes it does. i have a wrench. there is only one wrench. if i give you a wrench, i lose a wrench. that's zero sum. you gain i lose. but if i can make another wrench while giving you a wrench too, it's not a zero sum system. i've added something into a supposed closed-loop system.

>>Of we transport 200 years into the future when it literally is a 0 sum game because lack of resources for the population will you change your argument?

yes, not get to the point where we have completely extracted a resource that we can no longer tap. then that resource is in a zero-sum environment. every addition of that resource requires someone else to give up theirs and no new resources of that type can be introduced. that has yet to happen because as resources become scarce of a particular type, we move on to other resources that offer similar benefits at a reduced extraction cost.

>Money is valueless paper backed by nothing.
Not anymore.

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that requires the lions to do something to get what they want instead of whining to get Steve to give them what he worked for. the other lions are jealous and they think Steve is the reason they don't have gazelles, instead of seeing the truth: it's no one's fault but their own.

Hurr derr

Gtfo bitch commie. I'll fucking kill every goddam commie that tries to take my shit. I would love to see these bitch berniebros come and try to take their "fairshare".

Fuxk communism and socialism.

Would have been better if it was Chad the lion hoarding the gazelles.

Their is limited room to build homes and grow food. Two staples for life. We aren't that far away from reaching max capacity. It is then 100% a zero sum game.

Even if somehow we colonize Mars we will reach max capacity there before we can move somewhere else.

You have the boomer mentality of not tackling a problem before it is here."That is tomorrow me's problem or my kids problem".

>lets not reduce the amount of kids people can have to maintain a certain population.
>instead we should wait until we reach h maximum and it becomes a severe issue. Then we can all live miserably or kill off a portion of the population. But at least people had the freedom to have as many kids as they want!

So if there are 5 apples, I eat them all and take a shit, you will eat my shit? it didn't disappear after all, it just transfered to another state.

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

>We aren't that far away from reaching max capacity
yes, we are.

no, but it can fertilize my apple tree. think commie, i know it's new to you.

there is limited room to grow food and homes as a matter of fact. but we have not come even close to that point yet.

the issue is, when we hit that point it becomes a zero-sum game. one must lose for the other to gain. but as we are currently in a stage where we can still extract resources and have space to grow, it is not a zero-sum game in reality.

what can be, is not what it is now.

The other lions should work for steve and get paid in gazelles. This actually happens in the savana, you know.

eloquent in its brevity

There is limit land, let's say all land is already occupied by other people and you can't plan apple trees.

Let's say I also hoard the apple seeds for my own land.

Yeah, zero sum.

Kinda cool, backed by time

>My name is Steve the lion and I now have 99% of the gazelle. I will pay a group of lions to make laws saying no one can take my gazelle. If any lions try to find a solution other than taking my gazelle I will make up a law that prevents them from doing so or will have them killed behind the scenes. No one will compete with me. It will be a monopoly but I will make laws saying it is not a monopoly then I will make it so impossible to change those laws that my power will be lawfully absolute. Get to work slave scum.

But it will be. Also heat death of the universe, so zero sum.

Fixed pie fallacy. I'm sure Zuck made so many people poorer when he created Facebook, or the same with Jobs, or Gates, or almost every millionaire.

Please kys commie and allow the average iq of the world go up by a dozen points.

Yeah, until the hashing algorithm is cracked. That only protects against brute force.

Can someone point out, that this faggot is posting pedo anebaling shit?

> hurr durr its only children
> with make up
> in quite some not childish way

>>The heat death of the universe is a plausible ultimate fate of the universe in which the universe has diminished to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy

read plausible, not certain.

all these hypotheticals. come back to reality. i know it's easier for you to live in your fantasy world than actually do something to solve your situation. try it, you may find it's not as hard as you thought.

"the harder i work, the luckier i get"

Kill yourself newfag. Literally just Instagram photos of Pavaga and you throw a fit.

Funny that the fascist incels cry about how unfair that they are virgins into their 30s but love income inequality .

there is no obligation to follow laws that threaten your liberty. you statists are pathetic; having to be told what to do and always needing permission.

people like your are the first one which will get hanged, let the children alone you sick fuck

>We aren't that far away from reaching max capacity.

What the fuck are you talking about, more than 90% of all agricultural production is used to feed livestock, with our current production levels we could feed 100 billion people you retard.

Not even gonna answer the part about running out of space because it's just so fucking stupid you need to have a single digit iq to believe that.

commies are braindead and ignorant, dont even bother

>Yeah, until the hashing algorithm is cracked
Which will never happen. Also if it happens everything else will fuck up too since all passes use SHA 256, pretty much everywhere.

In any case we can just change the hashing algoritm.

Sorry Bitcoin is forever, enjoy your stay.

it is certain the universe will end in one way or another, it's not some sort of balanced thing

way to cope with the fact that we live in a zero sum reality

Hes pissed he cant rent a 4 room luxury apartment in downtown San Francisco for $200 a month while working as a barista.

that is a question that cannot be answered at our stage of understanding. you have an opinion, not certainty.

This is actually a great argument for why, long term, we need to start moving off-world.

i understand that it may seem confusing. we live on a planet with finite resources. that we may or may not completely exhaust. but the future is uncertain and resources can still be extracted. we at the moment, do not live in a closed loop system, we introduce new resources for circulation daily.

>success is a limited resource
good luck paying your student loans back retard

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Was in the military and had schooling paid for. Nice try though.

>what is exponential growth.
>we have to feed the livestock that we eat. Weird.
>le plant based diet.
>refer to exponential growth.

Just because population capacity won't be hit in your lifetime doesn't mean it's not going to happen soon.

>humans are thousands of years old.
>we will reach capacity in a few hundred years
>that isn't soon.

Capaitalists are too stupid. Its borderline not worth it. This is why we have to take your shit by force.

This.

Turning plant to meat wastes huge amounts of energy. Population overgrowth is a self correcting problem anyway, stop worrying about it. A little starvation might actually be good for the modern, obese, human.

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Socialism

Value is created by useful work, done by either human or machine.
If life was truly a zero-sum game we wouldn't starve if everyone stopped working, because in a zero-sum game you cant create or destroy value.
In reality we can create value by useful work, so life isn't a zero-sum game.

Yes it is.
No it's not.
>population reaches maximum
>people start starving to death.
>Population goes down a tiny bit
>people have enough food again
>population goes back up.
>everyone lives in a tiny apartment with no yard or greenery to be seen.
>people either dont work anymore because agriculture is done by machines or everyone is slaves for the rich.
>wow sounds like a future I want to live in.
>Want to go to the lake? Tough shit the surrounding area has been developed. I hope you enjoy video games because that is all you will have.

Everyone is going to be a starving video game and drug addict.

That isn't how that works at all.
You can't create anything. You are simply expending energy to move matter. There is still a limited amount of matter on/in earth regardless of its form and what you do with it. That makes it a zero sum game. If I own 1/4 of the earth then there is only 3/4 of the earth left for everyone else.

People who don't own machines can work for each other, if they so choose
There are other kinds of work besides agriculture, you know that right?

Matter in some forms is more valuable to humans when compared to other forms. Moving matter form less valuable form to more valuable form creates value for humans.

Let's look at a world where machines are advanced enough to work agriculture. Most jobs will be done by machines. Only jobs that require creativity theoretically would be done by humans. That is not many.

Yes but that doesn't negate the fact there is a limited amount of resources we can access.

>male lion doing anything but sleeping

Humans can work agriculture even if they would do it less effectively than machines. I can grow potatoes in my back yard for example.
Even if machines could do all the work, that doesnt mean they have to. Those who do not own machines can do work the old way for themselves and save money so they can buy machines.

I agree that there are limits.

So send the other lions back to Mexico where they belong

Why would the owners of agriculture land pay to have humans work it when they can do it more efficiently and cheaper with machines? That's if agriculture was privatized.

Technological advancement

You don't have to work for machine/robot owners, work for yourself. Buy a small plot of land somewhere and start farming it.
Or move to a community which hasn't automated everything and work for someone there.
All the anti-automation people can move together and live life "the good old way".

>Technology is magic that can create matter out of nothing.

I'll believe it when I see it.

How are you going to buy it when you are born with nothing? Got to earn that property somehow. If all space is occupied you are at the mercy of those around to provide for you.

Some forms of matter are more valuable than others. 1 kg of grain is more valuable than 1 kg of sand. Moving matter from less valuable to more valuable state creates value. Technology helps with this.

It's not a zero sum game if you make the world richer by your actions. It's only zero sum if you view everyone as consumers or slaves.

Capitalism is corrupted by nepotism and jealous losers asking for handouts.