What's your opinion on Scottish Independence?
I voted against it in the last referendum, thinking it'd be economic suicide. Brexit (and the stark differences in voting in Scotland and England), the last few years of incompetent governance and the shift away from the centre in both Labour and the Conservatives mean I'll probably vote for it if we get another referendum.
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I support everything that contributes to the UK's further and absolute territorial, economical and political disintegration.
Fuck off fenian
I am against it because it is idiotic. The Brexit argument is retarded, leaving uk is 100x worse than brexit. There will be no positive gain for Scotland. Only foreign powers would gain from a fractured UK, be it eu, russia or other.
Staunch presbyterian
Meh, the whole thing's convinced me that 20 years down the line Scotland would be better off having been independent rather than sticking with a sinking ship. Obviously independence will be a shock initially but better to rip the plaster off justnow. Eventually the tories are going to lose an election and we'll end up stuck with an old labour style socialist who'll be even worse.
I am English and I'm in favour of dissolving the union.
Most English people are fed up of the Celts taking all our money and offering nothing in return. We just want you to fuck off and be independent already.
UK isn't a sinking ship its in line with the decline of the western world.
Independence should be a slow thing, build up the economy more selfgovnerment. Then if at some point in the future you have a self sufficient economy, independence is reasonable. (but still bad, if for nothing just sentimental reasons).
But independence wont change the world. You would just replace Westminister with Holyrood. There will be the same issuses as before, just a new boogeyman to blame.
You currently have scottish nationalist crying for more devolution, while those same people deny it to scottish regions. Independence would just be one centralised shit government to another.
It's a really gay idea, desu. I don't have any real arguments, but just the idea of Scotland being an independent country sounds cringe.
Lowland Scots are as Anglo as you. Stop larping.
If Lowland Scots are "Anglo" then by that logic Dubliners are Nordic.
I don't give a shit anyway. Scotland demands gibs and muh devolvement despite holding a mere 8% of the UK population. English people are sick and tired of their constant whining. We want them gone.
Even before devolution Scotland had its own laws and legal system mate
Wasn't enough for you, was it? You just want more and more and more.
Either shut up and accept that you're a tiny minority of 8%, or fuck off. For as long as you are part of the UK you cannot be on an equal footing with England.
I'm in favor of it. As long as they join us afterwards, of course.
I was 2 when the Scottish parliament opened so didn't really have anything to do with me mate
Lowland Scots are barely more Celtic than the Northern English.
Also, I imagine Scotland are the least of the UK’s worries when it comes to leaching. Wales, Northern Ireland, basically anywhere outside of the South East and London lag behind.
I'm heavily against it because if it ever happened, people would bully English posters (now recognisable due to a new UK flag).
I don't think it makes sense for Scots though, they're not a net contributor to the UK and many of their economic benefits come directly through the Union.
Don't Scots have a bunch of oil off the coast? They can sell that and try and become a second Norway.
Northern Ireland is the worst culprit by far. There is literally no benefit to England keeping NI in UK possession. The region is nothing but an economic drain on us. We only do it because NI unionists are autistic and would have a meltdown if we let them go.
Wales are just pathetic, meanwhile. But I want them all gone. Independent England or bust.
Eh, you have to remember that these regions were incredibly industrial and are still in the process of transitioning and adapting to a mainly service-based economy.
I’m Scottish and working class myself, but I don’t take benefits, I pay my taxes, I live within my means, and I’m going to move to England to study medicine at a Russell Group university.
These are tough economic times, but we shouldn’t destroy a centuries’ long union as a result of recent political tension. This nation is already small enough.
Largely spunked away. For some reason instead of keeping state ownership of the oilfields Thatcher sold the drilling rights off very cheap and then granted huge tax relief to the companies extracting it. The end result was that comparatively little government revenue was raised despite the UK being the fourth largest producer of oil in the world through much of the '80s. Production's far less now.
>a new UK flag
I can't imagine what that would look like. I think they would take the opportunity to represent Wales on it, but if Scotland leaves then Northern Ireland is only a matter of time so there would be no use showing them if they had to change it again in a few more years.
Yeah, the UK has huge oil reserves and is actually the second largest oil producer in Europe after Norway (or third if you count Russia)
It's not nearly as much as Norway though. Plus, I think people forget that Norway was still a very rich country even before the discovery of oil in the 1960s (it was still had the highest GDP per capita in Europe in the 1930s)
>I’m going to move to England to study medicine at a Russell Group university.
Which uni, and why'd you apply south (or did you go to St Andrews)?
t. Scottish med student
Why do scots have box heads? Are they related to poles?
Imperial College London, and I did apply for Glasgow as well, but never got accepted for there. There’s more to do in London anyway.
What did you get in with?
fuck off
Most Scots have oval or square-shaped faces which also happen to be the most attractive face shapes.
5 As at (old) higher and 3 As at advanced higher. I never applied to Glasgow though, went to St Andrews and about to finish 4th year at Dundee if I pass my finals.
t. david coulthard
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Very based
they're as anglo as england and i never hear reasons for independence other than "dae ate england bunch a cunts XDDDD"
Including Yorkshire and Cornish independence?
Nice, I got in with 4 As at Advanced Higher English, Modern Studies, Chemistry, and Biology along with 3 As at Higher Maths, Business, and Economics. I was originally going to do law, but I flipped to medicine.
Scotland would unironically have a higher GDP per capita than the remaining UK if it were to become independent.
i bet muhammad
you can't assume that this would continue to hold if they actually became independent
havent thought about it
Burger here. I support independence for my distant Scot cousins as long as:
>its a sovereign independent constitutional democratic republic of by and for the people.
>it tells the E.U. to go pound sand.
>it allows unilateral free trade.
>it adopts the gold standard.
>it haz guns.
Fair, did you have to sit the BMAT for Imperial?
Good luck in the studies
Scotland already does have a greater nominal GDP per capita than the rest of the UK. It’s on par with Finland.
True, but UK growth is likely to be sluggish for the next while anyway.
Unlikely to all except becoming a republic
Cheers, and, yeah, there’s a BMAT for ICL. What subjects did you do yourself? I didn’t think I’d be accepted because I’m terrible at maths and only did a higher.
An independent Scotland would remain a constitutional monarchy subject to the Queen like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and so on.
Salmond favoured that and it was the official line of the SNP, but I think pro-monarchy sentiments would change shortly after independence. Really can't see Scots being particularly happy with having a Governor General.
I am in favor. They are too based to be stuck in one country with the engl*sh. Fuck *ngl*nd
Did English, maths, biology, physics and chemistry at higher and the three sciences at advanced higher
>Leaving the UK so you can latch onto the EU.
What's that point? Trading large influence within the UK for almost non-existent influence within the EU.
I watched a couple of sessions of the British parliament earlier this year and felt that SNP members were extremely impudent if not even outright hostile when addressing the house, so I think there's a clear pro-independence sentiment at least among the leadership there, which along with the fact that England is increasingly voting blue makes the independence feasible. Of course as an Jow Forumsard I would like to see Scots as a revived official language, so I support it.
Nice, adding physics on top of the other two must have been brutal though.
>Trading large influence within the UK
Scotland has virtually no influence in the UK. With a Comissioner and a seat on the Council they would actually have more influence on the EU than they could ever have in the UK.
>Trading large influence within the UK for almost non-existent influence within the EU.
Two of the last four PMs have been Scottsih.
>With a Comissioner and a seat on the Council they would actually have more influence on the EU than they could ever have in the UK.
lolno
The most anti-monarchist attitude seems to be found within the Catholic community, but even a lot of Scottish Catholics admire the Queen. Unless the monarchy were to somehow influence Scottish politics, which is basically impossible, then I can’t see Scotland ever disposing the monarchy.
Does Tony Blair really count?
Love how you're using the exact same arguments the brexit lot used despite seemingly being against it
we don't live in the 14th fucking century the nationality of the PM hardly matters
I don't have any stakes in the race, but it would be pretty interesting to follow, much like Brexit before they gave up on it.
Being born in Scotland to Scottish parents does count, yes.
But he has an English accent.
well see the EU never decided to fritter away all of the money in the UK by giving massive tax cuts to their chums and privatising all natural resources
Brexit is still going ahead on the 31st of October and it’s pretty much a given that Boris Johnson will become PM.
Romanian UK PM when? They'll throw you out of the EU when that happens.
Neat.
The EU already said you won't be allowed in if you go independent
Spain and Belgium retracted their claims of vetoing Scotland’s membership, but I don’t support independence anyway.
It's a really stupid idea and will never happen
no, we won't be allowed in if we secede without the authority of the UK govt because then spain would be in a tight spot
we also won't be automatically entered as soon as we leave the UK
afaik none of the member states have said they'd vote against scotland joining as an independent country, just not as one that does so without the UK saying it's okay
I don't care either way. There are no Scottish people left alive. No one speaks any of the Scottish languages and we have no culture. This country is dead.
The literally have though, over and over, and you retarded Jocks keep pretending they didn't.
>another referendum
What's the point on having these referendums if the government keeps redoing them until they get the result they want?
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There is literally nothing wrong with independence, people act like we still living in the world of sailboats and carriages, if you want free money than be a slave if you want freedom then be independent. Its not really a question of politics it's more of a question of do I even have the determination or discipline to go your own way
>Trading large influence within the UK for almost non-existent influence within the EU.
someone give this lad an american passport, he earned it
You can earn American passports for being right?
Isn’t everyone in Scotland mixed with Anglos anyway?
this. cornish independence when?
>I voted against it in the last referendum, thinking it'd be economic suicide.
cuck
Come home, white man
Scots, leave the sinking ship that is the UK!
Literally never
>Isn’t everyone in Scotland mixed with Anglos anyway?
Do mutts vote based on their 23andme results?
Quite sceptical that 5 or 10 years after independence the EU would continue to freeze out a massively pro-EU, reasonably developed country that had been forced out of the EU against its will.
Not skeptical about your virginity though lad jesus christ
>Germans trying to partition Britain
Gott Strafe Deutschland
Scots isn't a language
>skeptical
FOY
grrr he spell word different to me this bad
>Jocks having a chip on their shoulder
imagine my fucking surprise
>Jock
Is this lundun darkie speak or something?
It's just an English pejorative term for Scots
I'm English, let me guess you're a southern fairy
I thought all English called us that. Never understood why though.
Lowland Scots literally have the same genetics as the Northern English and are like them in every way, but the SNP makes sure to suppress that fact.
"Jock" was the Scottish diminuitive of John instead of "Jack" like in England. Not sure why it's now used as an insult.