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disregard vatniks edition

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VEEEEEEEE FOOOOOOOOOOUUUURURR

Based. Fuck that retard.

bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

aren't polaks and ukrans related anyway

are u guys even my frens?

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You don't seem to understand.

honestly, I fucking hate you

>look the same
>speak the same
>behave the same
I do

You can count on me

Today i saw thickest cigani girl ever. Her clothes were literally bursting. Had solid erection for at least 3 minutes.

want a hug?

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Where did you get the idea that I'm talking about Ukrainians?

Yes

u guys are nice
*hugs*

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Russians and Ukrans are the same, and they're like the twin brothers of Polaks.

We're shittalking the Russian janitor, you autist.

Poles are the biggest vatniks though

you just don't get it do you

Shut the fuck up, vatnik.
No. Explain. What do you want from me?

No u))

it's okay user, even if they discriminate you

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get fucked monkey youre not welcome

Do you love mighty RUSSIA?

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Any Peterson fans here?

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I need fans.

You practically invited us though lol

WOOHOOO WE LOVE YOU LASZLO
YOURE THE BEST LASZLO
LASZLO CAN YOU SIGN MY TITS
OOOOHHH MY GOOOOD ITS LAAAAZLO!!!

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haha cute doggy

no, I mean NPPs are literally shutting down here because of the heat

how did you know it was me though

damn it sucks being an incel

damn it feels good to be a gangsta

I've been here long enough to tell every poster apart

whom am I

Virginia

yet you cant fucking reply properly

AHAHAHA FUCK YOU YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT JANITOR. I FUCK YOU AND YOUR WHORE MOTHER YOU FUCKING DOG. PFU

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the polak behind the counter

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fuck you, Laszlo

shouldn't have posted in that fucking spot you retarded nignog

you wanna go you fuck

why is trami bullying himself

yeah lets fucking go cunt
meet me at staromák bitch i'll break your fucking skull

ill fuckin beat you into the ground you retarded ape youll suck chicken through straw when im done with you

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>Azerbaijan

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youre next

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Reminder that the average IQ in Africa is 70.

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the only thing you'll be suckin on is my big fat cock after I break all your limbs and force it down your throat you sissy bitch

Hmmmmm

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if your fighting capability is at the level of your reading comphrension then i am safe, you on the other hand should watch out since youll get bashed from behind before you turn you fat fuck

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wow wtf I am a nazi now

and you ousted yourself as a dirty cigan since they cant fight fair
you'll by licking my shithatch after im done with you brown subhuman

yes :3

ill be beating cigany x1000 for every tooth youll be picking from the ground you mug

I hope you do realize that adding an one volume abridgement, published by the American Council of Learned Societies, to an initially very euro-centric work to cover THE REST OF THE WORLD does not mean that it cannot be euro-centric? Also, AFAIK, Murray used DoSB only as a source for hard sciences and mathematics?

Like it or not, you need a decent spread of biographical literature on and from all civilizations and cultures to ensure that everyone is represented fairly. His sources are nearly exclusively Western encyclopaedias and historical surveys. On Arabic literature, for example, he relies exclusively on orientalist sources. Thus, right from the start, his assessment is filtered through a western lens. His work, for example, does not mention al-Tusi. Overall, it's a fucking joke. Not to mention, again, reliance on le great man theory bullshit which you didn't even try to argue against.

hmmm......

what

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oh I see

i am fren :)

this heat is suffering

i would unironically buy any of you a lunch if we met. you’re all my friends.

Every. Single. Time.

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jerked off to furry porn again
god i want to die

Based, death to wh*Te "people."

porn is poison for the mind

this
best fap material is your own memory

Why do they LARP as Jews if the don't look Jewish at all? Are they really that desperate to not be wypipo?

I can maintain an erection

gwern.net/docs/sociology/2003-murray-humanaccomplishment.pdf
Now let's see what Murray had to say about the history of music (pages 592-598 list composers)
Is Zachow, teacher of Haendel more significant than Rolla, teacher of Paganini? Why is Mozart Leopold even mentioned? Why not mention Xaver Mozart? If Walther von Wogelweide is mentioned why not Wizlaw III? And what about Zelenka? Why is he not listed, while he was one of most influential?
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The same about Ignaz Pleyel.
Why not mention von Winter? It is because he composed "Muhammad" and people are not supposed to know?
Why not mention Dussek Xaver?
Why not mention Edmund von Borck, composer of 1st saxophone concerto? Becuase he fought for nazis?
Why doesn't he mention Czerny, the father of all pianists?
Why he doesn't mention Zichy, the first LH composer?
Where are influential violinists like Jarnović, Slavik, Lvov, Lipiński, Kątski, Wieniawski? Not even Paganini there? He has to know that one right?
Where is Amadeo Ivancić, best recognized composer from Clarus Mons? Oh he doesn't know religious composers at all it seems.
His list is just a personal choice. It lacks a lot of Eastern and Central European composers, which are too many to list. Not to mention that guitar doesn't exist for this guy. Where is Carcassi, Sor, Legnani, Tarrega, Mertz, Giuliani?

What a fucking joke of a book, holy shit.

gonna start watching anime again

a fitting activity for a retard like you

>I hope you do realize that adding an one volume abridgement, published by the American Council of Learned Societies, to an initially very euro-centric work to cover THE REST OF THE WORLD does not mean that it cannot be euro-centric?

This isn't about adding something, it's about finding out whether there is eurocentric bias or not. And as was shown, those two sources produced the same results. Which means that they either happen to have exactly the same eurocentric bias or that they aren't eurocentric at all. You decide which is more likey. Also, what is your evidence that it is "initially very euro-centric work"?

>Like it or not, you need a decent spread of biographical literature on and from all civilizations and cultures to ensure that everyone is represented fairly
And this is exactly what second edition of DoSB is and it produced exactly the same results as the rest of the Western encyclopaedias that were compiled entirely by white people.

Wtf is this schizo posting? Pages 592-598 aren't even lists of composers but notes for previous chapters.
I knew that the graph from HA that i posted will touch the nerve but this exceeded my expectations holy shit.

Why is that Czech so mad? Because he never finished high school?

plot twist
every hateful comment is by modelneet

he needs this

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>Also, what is your evidence that it is "initially very euro-centric work"?
Literally even the editors have said so themselves:
>Though the Dictionary has worldwide coverage, the editors write that it focuses most on Western scientists, due to the limited availability of scholarship about Asian, Indian and Islamic historical scientists at the time.[1]
Now, they add ONE VOLUME, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD, ONE VOLUME OUT OF EXISTING 16 (which is the second edition which you flaunt as the embodiment of objectivity), and now you blindly assume that it magically stopped being euro-centric. THEN, Murray compares his EUROCENTRIC SOURCES (literally nearly all of his encyclopedias are WESTERN) to DoSB which is also EUROCENTRIC, and concludes that since the results don't differ significantly the end result is not eurocentric. Also, look at the list of authors of DoSB, you make it seem as if it was not compiled almost exclusively by Westerners.

Again, here you have a clear demonstration of some biases in his work.
>Pages 592-598 aren't even lists of composers but notes for previous chapters.
See upper left corner for the page count. This guy is a fucking hack, and the very fact that he's writing on topic he has no expertise in should ring a bell.

Anyways, I don't really see why I should continue arguing with someone who thinks that there's nothing wrong with using almost exclusively WESTERN sources while trying to make a cohesive quantification of human achievement WORLDWIDE, so this ends now.

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The page numbers refer to the pdf numbering not to the numbering of the paper. The pages by the numbering of the paper are 574-581

no thats actually based, see if you larp as jew and summon your genetic holocaust experience you can pretty much get away with murder, so the next strategy is to meme all white people to be jews, or more specifically, white people should start larping as jews

>significant figoures
>some musicians and a bunch of nobles
LOL

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>writing on topic
writing about topics

I kind of look Semitic, should I buy some ancestry-meme and LARP as a Jew?

you look like a genuine roma, my friend

>Slav chimps out
>Based Mongol from Northern Hungary (Also known as Slovakia) btfoes him


Also Czechoids are Subhumans.

He failed to make a single good point, literally. Everything I said in my first post still stands.

>Now, they add ONE VOLUME, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD, ONE VOLUME OUT OF EXISTING 16
Did it ever occur to you that maybe one volume is enough? That THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD didn't produce that many significant figures compared to europeans and that it is enough to cover it all?
I already know the answer but try thinking about it once you calm down and at least for a second entertain the idea that humans aren't inherently equal and that some are better than others. In a previous thread you were lecturing some czech about how he doesn't want to engage with opposing viewpoints so now you have an opportnity to be an example to him. Though I think I know what your answer to this will be as well, but I at least gave it a shot

Yeah i noticed.
But it is still funny. He is accusing Murray of chosing people by his personal choice because Murray didn't include any of the people that HE picked by HIS personal choice.
I didn't have high expectations from loczenko but this is too dumb even by his standards.

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Only things arabs have achieved is breaking my heart.

>Did it ever occur to you that maybe one volume is enough? That THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD didn't produce that many significant figures compared to europeans and that it is enough to cover it all?
Did it occur to you that you have absolutely no basis to make that claim and neither does he, as he literally compares his Western sources to another Western source? Or, furthermore, that his methodology is bad if it claims to be objective yet most of his sources stem from one fucking continent? Do you understand how laughable this is?

It's no surprise that this book is literal Jow Forums fodder who merely want to further their agenda.
Except that was not the point of the post, as I'm not trying to compile a list on my own. It merely shows that he has omitted people who have made significant breakthroughs in music solely because his sources are biased. Again, there's no fucking Paganini on his list, while mediocrities like Leopold Mozart made it. Let that sink in.

>42°C tomorrow

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Have you ever thought about the fact that richer societies create more advanced stuff? That is why a lot of advancement comes from rich regions like Northern Italy, the Rhineland, Belgium and so on. China had created many inventions in it's early days however their development was slowed by the lack of competition and since Europeans made a lot of the stuff without the help of China they get credited instead of the Chinese inventors. Japan is also a great example of development. They had made a lot of stuff but they were also limited by the fact that they were isolated to the rest of the world.

>That THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD didn't produce that many significant figures compared to europeans and that it is enough to cover it all?
are you literally retarded? what hes saying is that you dont have any proof for that claim except for a very biased book written by a biased author

>fatherfigure

too close.

Which vak are you?

>Have you ever thought
The point is that he doesn't think, otherwise he'd realize that using almost exclusively Western sources in a supposedly objective survey of worldwide human achievement isn't exactly exemplary methodology. But of course, he will keep defending that hack because he says what he wants to hear.

I guess this doesn't end now after all. Okay then.
>as he literally compares his Western sources to another Western source
I assume you are still talking about DoSB. If so we are going in circles. You think that one volume doesn't cover all non-white acomplishments adequately, I think it does. I asked you to reconsider for 1 second, you responded in predictable manner.

> It merely shows that he has omitted people who have made significant breakthroughs in music
Why do you think they have made more significant breakthrough in music than people on his list? Is it your personal evaluation or is there something more empirical behind that?

>Have you ever thought about the fact that richer societies create more advanced stuff?
Have you ever thought why some societies are richer than others?

>very biased book written by a biased author
This is the best counter argument so far. And that says a lot.