Canada needs to spend more money on warships and fighter jets

>Canada needs to spend more money on warships and fighter jets
For what purpose? We shouldn't have any military vehicles beyond the coast guard and for disaster relief.

>b-but the arctic

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You're a NATO member. You're pledged to defend any member attacked in North America or Europe.

Big words for faggots that quit NATO only to reintegrate 10 years ago.

Oh, I was only explaining, not telling you what to do.
And France will probably quit NATO in the near future again. It has become unreliable and dangerous with Trump's diplomatic vandalism.
You probably should quit, too, it was made to counter the Warsaw Pact, which dissolved long ago. Then you probably won't need an army, indeed. The US wouldn't let the Russians or Chinese invade you, NATO or not, since you're just next to them.

great power war is over. it makes far more sense to fight war by proxy and no one is gonna fight a proxy war in Canada.
Also yes the US would never allow us to be invaded so there is quite literally no need for us to have a standing army/navy/airforce. We just need a coast guard and a disaster relief force.

A complacent nation is an easy target.
Lower your guard and the monkey attack.
You are not safe because you are peaceful. You are safe because you are powerful.
If you give up that power because you only see peace, that is when they strike and you no longer have peace.

I agree, but you need to quit NATO first. In NATO, you need at least a pretense of an army, to claim you could defend another member.

Having a least a few maritime patrol aircraft with ASW capability, escort warships, AEW aircraft and a few fighters to intercept cheap shots at violating your airspace is needed, too.
Even if Russia doesn't invade Canada, it can disrupt shipping and air traffic. They do it regularly.

This. France tried to be peaceful in the 1930s, it didn't go well.
"In a country, there's always an army - either yours, or your neigbor's".

Do you really want to be so dependent on the US?

American have tried to occupy Canada earlier and they can try to do it again.

Yeah, unfortunate Ukraine knows something about trusting Americans...
You gave away your nuclear weapons in exchange for US promises of protection from invasion. But when Putin came for Ukraine...

He is just an idiot that wants the money re-spent on getting more Muslims in and paying for all their needs and WANTS.

He’s worried his Muslim boyfriend and his family won’t get all these free stuff off the average taxpayers back.
Fuck libtards to hell!

If you don’t have the means to defend your territorial sovereignty you’re just gonna have land taken from you. Look at How much land Russia was able to take from Ukraine. Russia could easily drop people off on an island in NWT bribe the natives set up a referendum declaring independence and join Russia. What are you going to do send in Justin Trudeau on the disaster relief barge to take back the island through diplomacy.

Yeah and that’s the importance of having your own defense

>great power war is over. it makes far more sense to fight war by proxy and no one is gonna fight a proxy war in Canada.

People like you need to be hit with bricks.

First, the general belief is that the great power game has returned - you have many countries investing in high-end capabilities like hypersonic weapons, nuclear weapons, large warships etc.

Secondly, why do you think conficts shifted to indirect approaches of proxy wars?

Because conventional capabilities produced a deterrent effect that made crossing a threshold risky. What happens if you don't invest in conventional capabilities? It flips back.

turn off your proxy paco

You're preaching to the choir in France, we've been persuaded of that since forever (for the smart ones) and the 50s (for the dumb ones).

And last year, our military spendings expenditures became a little higher than Russia's ($63 billion vs $61 billion).

*annexes u*

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>freely giving your arctic claim to russia
oh no no no

Buy our submarines, Canada (to replace your aging Victoria-class).
Defend your sea lanes and arctic claims while supporting the arsenal of democracies.

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>Canada is totally gonna be invaded by Russia. Forget the fact that they have to have literally thousands of kilometers of supply lines that stretch across the arctic ocean and into the Canadian far north. Their armies can totally cross the swamp lands of Northern Canada and interior Canada. Let's invest 10% of our GDP to fend off against this improbably threat.

And yes great power war is over get used to it boomers.

>b-but the arctic
You answered your own question you mouthbreathing non-sapient wojakposter faggot

>BRBRBRBRBR BRRRRRRHHHHHGHHHHHH BBRBRBRBRRHHHHH

ah so this is the power of the mighty russian bear. what you europoors don't get is that America is literally our personal bodyguards. They will never ever let us be conquered. You europoor countries can have a military but we dont need one.

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cringe.

>Let's invest 10% of our GDP
Nobody said that. 2% is recommended for NATO members and will do nicely for Canada.
If you get in a crisis and a fucker country intercepts your merchant ships and plays around in your airspace, this will disrupt your economy.
There's a sweet spot between an arms race and being defenseless.

>what you europoors don't get is that America is literally our personal bodyguards. They will never ever let us be conquered.

t. Ukraine, 1995

holy shit ukraine isn't canada. the US almost went to nuclear war over Cuba being taken over by communists. do you think the US would just let some foreign power take over Canada?

Nothing would surprise me from Trump. Or the Americans.

Trump on twitter: "should we send Americans to die over Watyukallitnuk?"
Americans: ????

And for all you know, the US might invade Canada to help Trudeau get to that "special place in hell" quicker.

Ukraine is not NATO.

Québec should be annexed by France and we should support every freedom fighters there.

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>fuck america and their retarded culture spreading over here, they elected an orange man
>d-daddy america please save us from the rushyians and chyneeeeese

When the USSR collapsed, the Ukraine inherited an immense arsenal of nuclear weapons (hundreds of ICBM, nearly 2000 warheads total) which probably made them the 3rd nuclear power in the world right at their independence.
The US (Clinton) and UK (Major) persuaded them to destroy these weapons, in exchange they promised to defend the Ukraine against future invasion (read: Russia wanting to take Crimea).
Later, Russia did take Crimea, and the US (and UK) did jack shit.
Trump shakes hands with Putin.

Get a culture and an army, Denmark, and you won't need the US anymore.
It's foolish to rely on them for your defense, anyway. Or anybody else, for that matter.

Any attack on Canada would be met with a devastating swift response. Hell, when Quebec was voting for independence in the 90's Bill Clinton was NOT going to recognize their independence as we didn't want some new cunt on our border and we have shared a border with them forever

Fuck off. Canada is a nation with a strong military history for its size.

Stop trying to sponge off USA, it's being a bad neighbour.

>Any attack on Canada would be met with a devastating swift response

That's what your president said about Syria using chemical weapons. Response? nothing.
Iran: response? nothing.
North Korea still firing missiles? nothing.
Despite big talking before.

Trump already stated he wouldn't send Americans to die for Montenegro - a NATO member.
And Ukraine learnt the hard way what it means to be protected by the US.

Denmark will never have a culture

>Canada is a nation with a strong military history for its size.
This. Nobody talks shit about Canadian arms.

Nice VPN boris but you ain't gettin any of our seal-clubbing territory

Actually they have a pretty glorious one, I was just following on Dane user's joke.
They have had a strong navy in the past, too.

>Do you really want to be so dependent on the US?
We could put 1/2 of our GDP towards a military and get decimated by the US in a couple of days, lol

Canada literally and single-handedly invented modern-day peace-keeping. OP, you are a disgrace to you nation's proud legacy.

These are very foreign matters, incomparable to an offensive attack on out Neighbor who we share the worlds longest border with, 200 years of peaceful relations and a military alliance

I don't care if Russia or the US occupies us, but I would prefer Russia

>get decimated by the US in a couple of days

they lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...

And what about France? can we annex you?

None of which are right beside them. It would be a massacre.

No, our cultures clash too much and Quebec would be angry

Ok but the point is 1) to be self-sufficient as a nation to the point where we don't have to drain big bro USA's resources everytime we hear a Russian sub go bump in the night in the arctic 2) to act as a significant enough counterbalance that invading Canada would be costly enough to be political suicide. See: defense scheme #1

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1