You will see Ireland reunification in your lifetime

>It supersedes Good Friday agreement.
No, the deal is still valid between the UK and Ireland

So, Brexit will mean harder entrance and exit and more division between NI and ROI right? Because currently NI is administered sort of as if it is part of ROI? Is this where the tension lies?

Neither UK or Ireland are in Schengen.

>the deal is still valid between the UK and Ireland
Not if UK leaves EU

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They're in the Common Travel Area, it's more or less the same as it concerns the border
? It's not a deal between the UK and the EU. And even by leaving it would still be a valid accord unless you want to break it

Yes. An hard border would violate the GFA

>And even by leaving it would still be a valid accord unless you want to break it
But its the EU thats requiring a border involving Ireland then-- because their superstructure requires it. Meaning in order for the UK to maintain its integrity it has to remain under duress by EU.

It's more like that the EU is protecting Ireland's right to keep the border open by not even discussing agreements that don't include a solution for the border problem
>Meaning in order for the UK to maintain its integrity it has to remain under duress by EU
More or less:
>"in the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement."

you forgot gibraltar, which belongs to spain.

>not even discussing agreements that don't include a solution for the border problem
The border created by the fact that EU exists.

No? The EU promotes the abolition of borders within its territory. The agreement is between Ireland and the UK like it would be between Canada and the US

There are borders between different countries. Like say, between the US and Mexico.
It's the same in Europe, except the EU members agreed to remove the internal borders. So the EU members only have borders with non-EU countries.
For instance, France has a physical border with Brazil (in Guyane). But no longer with Germany or Spain (and even Switzerland, not EU but made an agreement).
As of now, both the UK and Eire are EU members, so there is no need for a physical border.
If the UK leaves, unless a special agreement is found (like for Switzerland) it will reinstate a border with Eire. This violates the GFA.

>The EU promotes the abolition of borders within its territory.
If the UK isnt in EU territory, the EU forces the invalidation of Good Friday agreement. The the 2 parties are not allowed to execute it because it conflicts with EU border situation, as you outlined.

>If the UK leaves, unless a special agreement is found (like for Switzerland) it will reinstate a border with Eire. This violates the GFA.
So you're saying part of the Good Friday agreement is that UK must remain in EU?

No

What part of
>unless a special agreement is found (like for Switzerland)
didn't you get?

No, the UK would still have to respect the agreement even if it wasn't in the EU. The agreement has nothing to do with the EU per se, Ireland just asked the EU to negotiate on its behalf because the EU can apply much more pressure

The agreement states that you must keep the border open. Since you're keeping a border open with a EU country you need to be in the EU or have some kind of agreement with it like Norway or Switzerland

The agreement is that they have to keep the border open. If they're not using the EU framework for that, something else has to be set up. So far, the UK hasn't presented any solution to that problem.

>it will reinstate a border with Eire. This violates the GFA.
The part where you said EU violates GFA either on purpose or on behalf of Ireland.

>the UK would still have to respect the agreement even if it wasn't in the EU.
But you explain it cant because the EU has its own borders. So its the EU that is preventing the GFA from being executed if UK leaves.

>But you explain it cant because the EU has its own borders
Why not? Just stay in the EU or prepare a special agreement like Switzerland (which is the May Deal btw)
>So its the EU that is preventing the GFA from being executed if UK leaves
The EU would not set up border control if the UK leaves without a deal. The entire point is to keep the border open

>The EU would not set up border control if the UK leaves without a deal.
Then what is the border 'situation'? UK leaves EU and stays in GFA. Enough said right? Unless another 3rd party no tin GFA has the authority to mandate a border.

>(which is the May Deal btw)
which the british parliamant doesn't want.

Look like they the way of Federalization., just like what the EU want.

>The part where you said EU violates GFA either on purpose or on behalf of Ireland
What? I didn't say that and it isn't the case...
The EU has nothing to do with the GFA, it was between the UK and Eire (which, true, were also EU members, but this is unrelated).

Hard Brexiters don't like that because it forces you to keep an open border with the EU, which invalidates the whole Brexit thing

>bongs still think they'll remake their empire by cutting off ties with the biggest trade bloc in the world

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>The EU has nothing to do with the GFA,
The EU has the authority to maintain borders and the GFA pertains to borders. The overlap is something EU insist it has the power to do and demands its power be codified.

>Hard Brexiters don't like that
Dont like what, open border?

>Dont like what, open border?
An open border with the EU. That's why the Parliament didn't approve May's Deal

>Dont like what, open border?
yes "take back controll" was one of there motto in the brexit referendum.

>That's why the Parliament didn't approve May's Deal
They didnt approve it for a myriad of reasons. Including the divorce bill and still not 'taking back control' from an outside court.

>They didnt approve it for a myriad of reasons.
they didn't agree because of the backstop agreement. brexiteers doesn't want that.
irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-what-is-the-backstop-agreement-and-why-does-it-matter-1.3571135

Maybe, but the problem then remains open

>The EU has the authority to maintain borders and the GFA pertains to borders
The UK wasn't thrown out. It left, and one of the reasons was to take back control on its borders.
Unfortunately, one of those borders is a land border, and reinstating a physical border like when before the UK joined means violating the GFA agreement.
That's one of the many things that weren't thought out in advance in the Brexit """"plan"""""

Is it true that the UK's bond ranking will plummet if they (as Boris said) don't pay the Brexit divorce bill in response to not getting a deal?

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The backstop is EU superstructure, thats the point.

If EU didnt exist- GFA would be in tact.

The backstop entire point is to keep the GFA intact

>The backstop entire point is to keep the GFA intact
GFA entire point is no border (backstop).

If Northern-Ireland didn't exist there would be no need for a GFA

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Thats true, but who wants the border? 3rd party who has inserted itself into legal control over border protections in ireland.

It was an attempt by the Conservatve party to unite the nation behind themselves, but backfired. They are pretty much hated because of the last ten years of austerity, centralised London based control, dismantling and stripmining of Utilities, NHS, Police force and the welfare state by their cronies. Instead of explaining the Pros and Cons, both Brexit and Remainer factions filled the media with straight out lies, spent their time slagging each other off and used fear tactics aimed at the stupid and extremist - this only confused the matter and put a lot off the population off the subject altogether. Only 34% of the population voted to leave, but because nearly half the population was sick of their shit and didnt bother to vote, this became the majority. So now we are all stuck with a decision that nobody had planned for.

Problem is that Ireland wants to be in the EU.

Yes. The backstop is "keep border open until we find a better solution"

The UK wanted their borders back which they got but they also want no borders for the things they like.

Thats not the problem, the problem is EU border policy. It cannot coexist with GFA now that Brexit occurred.

The EU and Brexit can perfectly coexist if those incels learn their place.

it coexisted until uk wanted to leave the eu

You could say the EU has a GFA between all its countries. There are no borders in the Customs Union, why would it be different in the Ireland-UK border?

>If EU didnt exist- GFA would be intact

No. The GFA was easy to make because the two countries which made it were EU members when they negotiated.
Now, it still is possible, there are solutions, but the UK still hasn't come up with a solution. And doesn't want those Eire proposed, either.
This is strictly a matter between the UK and Eire. But since Eire is an EU member, it voiced concerns and since they're justified (obviously), all the EU members support Ireland.

It's like the UK and Ireland both brought their friends to the negotiation.
And it turns out, Ireland has 26 friends while the UK has none.
If you're blaming the other EU members for sticking with a fellow member, well guilty as charged. That's the whole point of the union - stronger together.

If the EU didn't exist, the UK would still have to find a solution with Ireland (alone) to not violate the GFA.

>Thats true, but who wants the border?
UK
"take back control"

>The backstop is "keep border open until we find a better solution"
>wanted their borders back which they got but they also want no borders for the things they like.
You're all clearly seething. Just realized you're all EU shills, I hope you can afford your pack of cigarettes with the euros transferred into your accounts.

>There are no borders in the Customs Union, why would it be different in the Ireland-UK border?
The EU is creating the border on or in between Ireland. You've even said it yourself, UK hasnt come up with any propositions to create a border. So again, the UK cant adhere to GFA because EU wont let it. There is no way to leave EU and stay in GFA.

Since EU is creating a border between a 'new' country.

So EU doesn't establish borders along foreign countries?

Issue being that a ‘solution’ needs to be bilaterally agreed upon, with some politicians here believing it’s a way to keep us trapped in the EU without a say.
Honestly a referendum in NI on an NI only backstop might be the only way through. The DUP needs bypassed and it could put us in an interesting economic position.

It removed them between EU countries.
Look, I'm afraid this is too complicated for you.

Are you really that dense? The whole point of Brexit is because the UK wants a border, you can't blame the EU for that...

The free trade between nations in the EU is based upon following the same regulations (game rules), regulations the UK doesn't want to follow any more. Free trade between Ireland and Northern Ireland would have to follow this or Northern Ireland trade would become a loophole to bypass the common regulations of the EU free trade market. Such loopholes can't be allowed to exist.

>The EU is creating the border on or in between Ireland.
No, there is no border and the backstop is about not creating one
>UK hasnt come up with any propositions to create a border
UK hasnt come up with any propositions to NOT create a border. They talked about some kind of new technology that would allow for a frictionless border but there are no hard proofs yet
>You're all clearly seething. Just realized you're all EU shills, I hope you can afford your pack of cigarettes with the euros transferred into your accounts.
You're just refusing to listen to what everyone is telling you. Just go read the official EU and UK statements on the issue if you want

Difficult to say. Some (including macron) have said that not paying it would equal foreign debt default, which would apparently be really really bad for their rating. But some raring agencies have denied that. Either way, it would be extremely bad for their reputation and would probably cost them more than it saves them, in the long run

>Look, I'm afraid this is too complicated for you.
Yes a lot about EU is complicated. For instance why voting results are withheld until the Sunday after.

>UK hasnt come up with any propositions to create a border
Yet, they are obligated by the GFA to propose something...

>There is no way to leave EU and stay in GFA.
Yes there are ways. Norway, Switzerland (and probably others) have had such deals for years.
The UK can... could at least... but they're in such chaos, they can't agree between themselves on what they want.

>For instance why voting results are withheld until the Sunday after.

Did you read that in the Bible or heard it on Fox news?

Because only some countries vote in the weekends (I voted on Sunday) and you can't release the results until everyone has voted

Rupert Murdoch convinced them it was a good idea.

>For instance why voting results are withheld until the Sunday after.

The elections were on Sunday. The UK decided they would vote early, that's why they didn't have the results right away.
You can find this information in 5 minutes on Google, I bet you're a true retard so i won't insult you too much.

>The whole point of Brexit is because the UK wants a border
Then why doesnt EU suggest free and frictionless trade deal?

>UK hasnt come up with any propositions to NOT create a border.
The EU hasnt come up with any propositions to NOT create a border either.

CRASHING THIS COUNTRY WITH NO SURVIVORS!

Based oldfriend

>Yes a lot about EU is complicated.
For Americans, yes. The EU was made for countries with educated populations.

>Then why doesnt EU suggest free and frictionless trade deal?

lel you're trolling right? What's the point of the EU??

>Because only some countries vote in the weekends (I voted on Sunday) and you can't release the results until everyone has voted
You must be seething.

>The EU hasnt come up with any propositions to NOT create a border either.
Well you don't really need one, just keep everything as it is. Also it's the UK's responsibility to avoid the problem, they are the one leaving. One would think they would have planned a solution for this issue before the Brexit date but here we are

>The EU was made for countries with educated populations.
The EU was made for countries featuring populations with blown out buttholes.

My country is not in the EU, I don't care. But I can't stand stupid Americans, it's like an allergic reaction.

>Then why doesnt EU suggest free and frictionless trade deal?
It's not up to the EU to explain what "Brexit" means... the Brits want to take back control, they wouldn't want something proposed by the EU.

Well it's the same sunday, like same week. I think the results were starting to come out in the night between sunday and monday

Yes, but educated. You guys can't even figure out the metric system, forget about understanding the EU which is a step above.

>Also it's the UK's responsibility to avoid the problem, they are the one leaving.
They are leaving and say they dont give a fuck about Irish border.

Whats the EU gunna do? Create a border?

>My country is not in the EU
I didnt say it was. This will be your last response from me so you can go now. No more attention to be had.

>Then why doesnt EU suggest free and frictionless trade deal?
lol what? are you really so stupid? the eu already do that.
>The EU hasnt come up with any propositions to NOT create a border either.
how many times have we to say this, B A C K S T O P A G R E E M E N T
that is what eu and may came up, british parliament said no to this

>new british PM unironically calls himself a libertardian

OHNONONONO YANK'D

>You guys can't even figure out the metric system
Europeans couldnt even figure out barbed wire or rocking-chairs.

>They are leaving and say they dont give a fuck about Irish border.
That violates international law and could create a new wave of violence in NI. Unless you mean they wouldn't give a fuck and keep the border open and at that point you may not even brexit at all

Cool. Next step : give the Channel Islands back, bongs

>That violates international law
The EU wont let there be no border, you've already said that a million times. There is no way to leave EU and stay in GFA.

>british parliament said no to this
So what is EU gunna do? Make border or not? The EU is demanding border NOT UK.

>at that point you may not even brexit at all
Well, it's been more than 3 years now, so that's largely what's happening.
The only acceptable proposals the UK made so far were to postpone brexit.

>The EU wont let there be no border
What? The entire EU proposal is to keep everything as it is and not have a border

>There is no way to leave EU and stay in GFA.
You've said that about four times, and we replied that there are ways, several of them. Other countries do it.
What part of that don't you get.

>The entire EU proposal is to keep everything as it is and not have a border
No its not otherwise there would be no problem lol

>Other countries do it.
Name 4 other countries that have a border with Ireland. Since you have said several of them.

>No its not otherwise there would be no problem lol
Yes there would be because the UK wants to "take control" of its borders. You can't "take back control" if your borders are open, it invalidates the whole thing

>You can't "take back control" if your borders are open, it invalidates the whole thing
EU cant keep things going as is if UK isnt part of EU, it invalidates the whole thing.

>Name 4 other countries that have a border with Ireland
I can't believe anybody can be that retarded...
Ireland stays in the EU.
and borders don't necessarily mean land borders.