Why does this trigger Europeans?

Im just trying to explain to you that laws that work in developing country might seem alien in normal world.

>When one's life is in danger
What does this even mean ? There must be a list of dangerous things I reckon

The phrase "a man's home is his castle" which certainly did not originate with monarcucks

news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/the-loaded-history-of-self-defense/

idk, these laws are great but somehow most europeans think this is bad, basically thinking that an intruder doesn't deserve to get shot for stealing some things.

SHALL NOT INFRINGE

It was an interesting read, desu.

Europeans are opposed to liberty, it's an alien concept to us. I have talked to people who have said with a straight face that it's better to die and let others die than shoot a violent attacker. Us Finns specifically are even worse off, our police can enter anyone's home if they feel like it. No warrant required.

Stop spreading fake news, Igor.

Police officers need a warrant that can be granted by current chief at shift if they have reasonable suspision that someone's life is in danger.

A Finn told me that if you want to have a party in Finland you need to hire a policeman to be there, is this true?

No lol

That phrase is alternatively known as "an Englishman's home is his castle", so it absolutely did originate with "monarcucks", or as it's actually spelled, "monarchists" (big word for you, I know).

A Brit told me when you are trying to get a passport you need a signature from you doctor, is this true?

Absolutely based

An Englishman's home is his castle was coined some time in the 17th century, thus it's highly likely that the term did originate with.. ahem.. monarcucks.

No idea, never got a passport since I have no intention of ever leaving this island.

Legal here but not absolute. On which planet do you live?

>When one's life is in danger
Then that's self defense, which does exist in Europe.

You'll go to prison if this happens
>I get into your house and take your laptop
>I see you and start to run away
>You shoot me from behind as I'm running away
>You tell the cops that I was on your property
>You go to prison anyway for murder

You're good if this happens:
>I come into your house and take your laptop
>You see me and I start coming towards you to kill you/beat you up
>You shoot me
That's self defense because I was attacking you. Basically, you can't kill someone who robbed you and is running away

finn dude is right, you are delusional. do you even understand how it feels to be safe at home? just close the door behind you and no one will even think about breaking in. its so unheard of people just dont care to keep weapons to protect them and there is no need for a castle doctrine here. you are still allowed to protect yourself and use a gun to do so if needed. but you will be charged and put under investigation until everything is made clear to the law. you cant just invite a dude over, blow his brain out then claim muh castle doctrine and walk free.

I live by the castle doctrine.

Come over, faggot, I'll kill you. Our cucked ass country doesn't need more cockgobblers like you.

This is part of the reason as well. If a Europoor were to get robbed the chances of the person having anything other than a butter knife(assuming they've got the proper loicense for it) are very low.

Where do you think castles originated, brainlet?

>do you even understand how it feels to be safe at home? just close the door behind you and no one will even think about breaking in
90% of this country is like this

do you own one?
it's a saying

im tempted to pay you a visit now. no fucking way a big mouthed incel on here can be that scary.

Just do what that German on YouTube does, build your own crossbow

Police don't need a warrant if they think they need to enter a private domicile. And the warrant that they otherwise need can be granted by their own orgsnisation. Conclusion: they don't need a warrant.

Oh and any evidence they collect while illegally in your home can be used against you in court.

Same here. It's just peasants don't have homes here and nobody tries to invade our mansions.

I think its good. If you attack an invader here you can easily get sued which is retarded as fuck. He's on your property you should be allowed to gas him.

but ask yourself, would you sleep well tonight if you dont have a gun within arms reach? if you cant do that then perhaps your 90% is not that safe after all.

>would you sleep well tonight if you dont have a gun within arms reach?
they are in my safe, so yes

>Police don't need a warrant if they think they need to enter a private domicile
Wrong, they need warrant from current chief police on duty.
>And the warrant that they otherwise need can be granted by their own orgsnisation. Conclusion: they don't need a warrant.
Wrong again, they need a reasonable suspision of someones life being in danger. You can challenge this later in court.
>Oh and any evidence they collect while illegally in your home can be used against you in court
Its not illegal since they have a warrant.

Is Putin lowering your wage or why is the quality of russian shitposting going down lately?

>they are in my safe
a long way from my bed
like I said very few need to worry

How do you get such a view about America?
Was it from Jow Forums?

>Wrong, they need warrant from current chief police on duty.
Do you understand what "their own organisation" means, bootlicker?
>Wrong again, they need a reasonable suspision of someones life being in danger. You can challenge this later in court.
Like I said, if they think they need to enter.
>Its not illegal since they have a warrant.
If they feel like they need to enter your home and by some miracle the courts ruled that they were in the wrong (never going to happen in reality), they still can use any evidence they find while in there to nail your ass.

When are you going to realise that you have no rights in this draconian shithole?

I belive some guy was gives a slap on the wrist punishment for shooting a fleeing robber over here. We are more free than the USA.

I wish we had this here as well.

Because if you left a bottle of vodka with some rat poison on your table and then some fucktard burglar broke into your house, drink it and die - you're going to jail for second-degree murder

You are providing anecdotal what if arguments. Typical for russian trolls.

Go away, Vladimir.

NoVa is pretty based though, spent many many crazy nights there
>great nightlife
>hot young women everywhere
>thousands of top-tier restaurants
>good jobs

no, not int. im actually getting a better view about you here. but try every other forum out there, doesnt matter if its a dedicated fly fishing forum, jeep forum or whatever, they all have a designated subforum for guns. wtf? cant you even talk about your hobbies without bringing in muh guns? just look at /out/, every fucking american poster on there has to carry a gun just to go outside for a short hike.

>You'll go to prison if this happens
No, you won't even in a cucked state like mine (Maryland). They have to be driving away or off your property already, and even then you have a lot of leeway (I was scared/it all happened so fast/he said he'd come back and butter my biscuit!).
The only case I can remember is when a JEWeler in Bethesda shot a robber as he was driving away, but that's understandable: the danger has passed and you taking a life to save property. I'd say "wow probably shouldn't have robbed them if he didn't want to get shot" but the law specifically states that deadly force can only be used to protect life, not property. I don't agree with it but that's the law.

because it's an awful concept

Yes, that's like having an extinguisher in your house or a medkit in your car. It's very likely you won't ever use them before your car breaks down or gets sold. But they can save your life.

Your just mad you dont have guns

Not always true. In CA if someone forcibly enters your house it's assumed your life is in danger and a burglar calling timeout doesn't count for shit

>The police patrol can enter your home if they feel like they need to
An objective fact.
>The police can enter your home with an order from their own organisation
An objective fact.
>While in your home, regardless of the legality of their precence, they can collect any evidence they find and legally use it against you in court
An objective fact.

None of what I said was anecdotal, you retarded bootlicker.

>Forums about activity X have subforums about relevant tools
Whoa, what a shocker!

Guns are just another hobby for many people. We have ranges all over, skeet shooting clubs, gun clubs, competitions, pyublic lands to shoot on, and we hunt a lot. I have a 300m range on my property.
I live where we have bears, but I don't carry a gun hiking, but some people have brown bears tho, which are mean.

we have enough registered civilian firearms in sweden to arm a quarter of the population
if someone breaks into your house you're free to brandish them and, if that doesn't work, shoot

>fly fishing
>jeep
>guns
>relevant tools
i never felt the need for any kind of gun while fishing or working on my jeep. absolutely no relevance there.

you belive that? i had a license when i was 16, had the pistol in a suitcase next to my desk at school because i went straight to the shooting range after classes. my teacher was also my shooting trainer.

>The police patrol can enter your home if they feel like they need to
Once again, they need search warrant from chief officer on duty. They cant enter if they "feel like it". You must be literally retarded if you cant understand this.
>The police can enter your home with an order from their own organisation
Its not order, its a search warrant, SEARCH WARRANT, you can challenge the legality of that in the court.
>While in your home, regardless of the legality of their precence, they can collect any evidence they find and legally use it against you in court
If the court deems the warrant unlawful then all evidence gathered during the search are dismissed.

Im tired of replying to your retarded shit when you seem to have literal 10 iq brain inside your head.

You can buy guns in Europe, they're not outlawed. It just takes some effort to get one.

They sound like outdoor people, they hunt, so...guns...

>though many other countries invoke comparable principles in their laws
We have self defense laws that involve no duty to retreat and allow you to use whatever force you think is the least neceesary to stop harm to yourself, your property or others. Americans are just unaware of it because we're not a violent shithole like themselves where people shoot each other dead a hundred times a day.

>police enters your home
>wrecks your shit
>disrupts your daily life
Then you go and challenge the legality of their actions in the court, once the deed is done.

That's what fishers, bikers, jeepers, campers, etc. do. They hunt.

I fully support it

then why you defend that asap nigger?

man i wish i were as smart as you

Vladimir you forgot your proxy )))))))

Cause those refugees deserved it

>hunt
every gun post is like
>what do you carry?
>whats best to clear your home in case of an invasion? shotgun or ar15?

>i never felt the need for any kind of gun while fishing or working on my jeep. absolutely no relevance there.
When you go fishing, you're in the wild with dangerous animals. Guns are relevant. If you own a Jeep, some individuals may want to take it from you. Guns are relevant.

Just because you're an ignorant idiot doesn't mean that others are.

>Once again, they need search warrant from chief officer on duty. They cant enter if they "feel like it". You must be literally retarded if you cant understand this.
They don't need the warrant if they think they don't need it, you absolute idiot. You said it yourself, they only have to say that they thought someone was in danger.
>Its not order, its a search warrant, SEARCH WARRANT, you can challenge the legality of that in the court.
>>Muissa kuin kiireellisissä tilanteissa vakituiseen asumiseen käytettävään tilaan pääseminen edellyttää päällystöön kuuluvan poliisimiehen määräystä.
>>Poliisimiehellä on oikeus päällystöön kuuluvan poliisimiehen määräyksestä ja kiireellisessä tapauksessa ilman määräystäkin eristää tai tyhjentää kotirauhan tai julkisrauhan suojaama alue, jos se on välttämätöntä henkeä tai terveyttä välittömästi uhkaavan vaaran torjumiseksi eikä alueella olevia voida muuten suojata.

Read the fucking law you idiot.
>can collect any evidence they find and legally use it against you in court
>If the court deems the warrant unlawful then all evidence gathered during the search are dismissed.
Explicitly wrong. They do not have to rule any evidence inadmissable in court even if the search was unlawful.

Keep licking boots, you absolute retard.

>oh man you europeans are so cucked why don't you have laws protecting you against hyper-criminal robbers
They don't carry guns, unregistered firearms are a hassle to get in Europe unless you get a direct illegal supply from manufacturers. It's far more likely to kill or wound a family member. I've read somewhere that every year a double-digit number of babies kill themselves because guns weren't locked up properly.

I'm more triggered by current UK laws that holds you responsible if a person trespasses on your land without permission and gets injured. Yet you cannot call the police to get them off your land because it is a civil matter, you need to spend weeks and money in the council/courts to get an order to stop them going on your land. In other words, the police will arrest YOU if the trespasser hurts themselves, yet will NOT arrest the trespasser. Disgusting.

been camping and fishing in finland with my jeep. didnt need any guns then, dont know why i should?

So you can shoot your empty beer bottles, what jeep do you own?

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a Man Jeep, also known as mj.

>been camping and fishing in finland with my jeep. didnt need a seatbelt then, dont know why i should?
>been camping and fishing in finland with my jeep. didnt need a first aid kit then, dont know why i should?
>been camping and fishing in finland with my jeep. didnt need a phone then, dont know why i should?

Better to have and not need than need and not have, you slavering simian.

I've slept with a weapon beside the bed every day of my life and every man I know does the same

Oh no shit like the truck version of what I posted? Damn I'm jelly

best to not need at all and dont give a shit. that attitude of yours can be said about everything in life, do you carry a parachute and helmet every day? you never know...

That counts as premeditation, having a weapon there specifically for the purpose of self-defence is illegal.

Well if your in a plane or heli you should

Doubt it

The purpose of castles was for nobles to impose power and authority over their thralls. If anything were the opposite of equalising privilege it's a castle.

It actually is, but only if you have it for SPECIFICALLY for self-defence. If you for example have a cricket bat in the corner of your room because that's just where you store your cricket bat after playing with it, then that's okay. But having a cricket bat in your room for the purpose of beating the shit out of anyone that comes to your house is illegal as it is premeditation to cause bodily harm. Also, see , you are legally responsible for any injury a person receives on your property.

that is cucked as fuck

shure, but im not. i also dont live in a shitty world where everyone is trying to kill me so i dont need to carry a gun everywhere for protection.

yep, the pickup.

In the case of nordicks it's from having been sheltered from a lot of unpleasantries and--in part as a result thereof--a naïve, almost childish, trust in public institutions. I've met a lot of people that, in all seriousness, fully believe that corruption in Sweden is so exceedingly rare as to be effectively nonexistent. Accordingly, moral considerations or arguing from first principles are frequently dismissed because "there is no need for it".

Personally, I consider the defense of one's home, including the use of lethal force where necessary, a particularly severe case of self-defense due to it violating or put under threat every [Lockean] natural right. To demand one yield under those circumstances then, is a moral abomination unworthy of any civilized society.

it doesn't.
I wish it were the norm. You'd get jailed if you caused serious bodily harm to an intruder here.

The purpose of a castle was defense from the Mongols
Under the bed is just where I keep my hammer then

this is why you just never report it and feed the nigger to the pigs in minecraft theoretically as a joke.

>You'll go to prison if this happens
>>I get into your house and take your laptop
>>I see you and start to run away
>>You shoot me from behind as I'm running away
>>You go to prison anyway for murder

Not in Texas if its at night. You can legally chase a robber and kill him to recover you stuff.

But only at night though its weird.

Why haven't nice dutchies called for it to be the law of the land yet

Most of the people never face it there, but there are several industries that find fearmongering so lucrative that many burgers are scared for their life for imagined axe murderers coming trough their door. Just that news, gun, insurance, security and entertrainment industry can make a few more dollars.

Hear, fucking hear.