Communist country

Saying that China is communist is as true as saying that Poland is catholic: ok, some old generations still go to church, and we use catholic symbolics during state-events, but catholicism has no influence on our lives whatsoever. It exists only in symbolic and cultural sphere, meanwhile everybody here thinks 24 hours / day about making money. I think Chinese attitude towards communism is similar.

>Communism fails
Woah, shocker

UK is still monarchy too :^)

>state capitalist
is there any reason for lefties to love china then?

>taking the country's total to 819 billionaires 40% more billionaires than in the US
Mate, the USA has 327 million people. China has 1.386 billion. Yeah, even one billionaire is a billionaire too many but come on.
Anyway, here is that report you are referring to. Your figures are off.
hurun.net/EN/Article/Details?num=24DD41EE3B19
>USA billionaires narrowed the gap with China, the gap that had been growing for the past four years, reducing it to 74, down from 248 last year. Today, there are 658 billionaires in Greater China compared with 584 in the USA.

The leftist elite of the West doesn't like China. Wasn't George Soros saying that China is the biggest danger for the world lately, btw?

Soros isn't remotely "left". He's a neoliberal elite; "the left" hate people like that because they represent the most powerful owner class.

can't tell if retard or trolling
They don't. Authoritarians love China, maybe the extreme left likes them.

Nah, chinese are just too bad with communism

The left is being funded by people like Soros, so they can't really hate him.

>The left is being funded by people like Soros
You can't be this fucking stupid.

That's fact. The left today is just a synonime of LGBTTTQQIAA. And this movement is being funded by Soros, big corporations and other billionaries.

You Jow Forumstards really are ignorant of reality.

Wut?

>lets foreigners invest in china
>lets companies operate privately
>loosely plans the economy, lets companies develop their own strategies
BUT
>the state reserves the right to sieze any private entity or property when it pleases
so state capitalism

He is just an old man butthurt that his dogma was proven wrong.

You're spouting Jow Forums dribble, you fucking idiot.

Who says they are communist tojo ?

reminds me of freedom with american characteristics

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The fact of leftist movements taking money from billionaries is well proven. All these leftist "open society" organisations that grow all over the world don't take money from thin air, dude.

So technically any country that uses eminent domain counts

It's not the cold war anymore and you're not the one who decides who's left of the spectrum in today's political context

what the fuck is the difference between a prison and a jail

no companies in china are not entitled to anything, the state can seize and destroy a billion dollar company in china if it wishes to do so. Countries with eminent domain must go through a whole process when nationalizing an industry including compensation of the previous owners. China has more power than those countries over it's own economy

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That's effect of destruction of American middle class by outsourcing production to China. Only big corporations took profit from this, because they created monopoly for themselves in most profitable parts of supply chain: technology and marketing. Meanwhile the most cost-generating field which is production was exported to China. It hurt American middle class a lot and practically annihilated it. Hence the USA is experiencing radical growth of crime, especially amongst this part of society that must support itself only from simple factory jobs, because they are usually uneducated: the black and the latino.

this is the result of the war on drugs (and it's users)
jail is for misdemeanors, sentences that last less than a month. Criminals with more serious crimes also wait in jail until their court hearing date. Prison is where people serve years

stop pulling shit out of your ass

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As long as the GDP in China is growing 6-8 percent per year, who cares? What they're doing now is working. Don't fix what isn't broken.

> number of inmates grows exponentially
> crime rate somehow goes down

Interesting

If you compare the number of inmates graph to significant policy changes associated with the War on Drugs and the crimes for which the inmates are incarcerated for you will understand this better.

Look at what the Chinese are doing on Youtube, it's like American nationalism but on steroids:
youtube.com/watch?v=bTuesiai6f4

au.sports.yahoo.com/mack-horton-girlfriend-death-threats-sun-yang-protest-030651014.html

The hatred is because of this
abc.net.au/news/2019-07-21/mack-horton-refuses-to-share-podium-with-sun-yang-after-final/11329842

oh and he commented on the australian not long after
abc.net.au/news/2019-07-28/mack-horton-shayna-jack-doping-test-swimming-championships/11354560

if you want to piss of Chinese go for their athletes, I don't know why but Chinese worship their athletes

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it's pretty easy to grow 9% when the gdp per capita of china is lower than Brazil and Russia

Yeah, whatever. My point is that American society was being disintegrated and thrown into serious crisis expressing itself even in rebirth of racism for purely economical reasons. Extremism is always being a child of bad economy and it begins from destruction of middle class. There are excellent, well-paid jobs for scientists, researchers and marketing specialists in the USA, then for long-long empty space, and at the bottom only junk jobs for 7,5 buck-per-hour. The whole central part of the labor market is getting weakened for decades, ie: stable and well-paid jobs in production, which created the middle class in the US. You experienced erosion of stable jobs with social insurance, with a predictable career path. That's kind of jobs that are available for people with lower education such as negros and latinos - and since getting such jobs in the USA becomes a problem, you experience growing crime.

You Americans completely missed the turning point, imo. You had a structural advantage over China all the time, you decided who the head of the World Bank was, you controlled everything that was happening in the system. And you believed that it would always be like this. The geostrategic apathy of the USA after 2000 was very visible. You got bogged down in the Middle East in the war on terror, peripheral war, completely irrelevant from the point of view of the interests of the empire. At the time, you did not deal with China. You did not even deal with your own infrastructure - what happened, for example, with roads or bridges in the USA is unbelievable, it's hard to believe that these are roads belonging to country presenting itself as a global power. And above all, you did not take care of your own middle class and allowed China to suck it almost to the last drop of blood. Go to the so-called Rust Belt - Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio - and see how people live in the theoretically richest country in the world today.

Thanks you for your insight.

I think this is an apt analogy, good stuff

I agree with you mostly but the Fortune 500 companies did this to us Americans, Republicans and spineless Democrats did this to us. The powers that be in America are getting away with as much as they can, for example, not giving people clean public drinking water while letting Nestle sell them bottled water from their own city, letting bridges collapse, tricking young people to join the military to fight for oil companies and much more using this structural advantage. I am interested in what you meant by "the interests of the empire".

China is not communist at all, only deluded propagandists, usually from the USA, love to call it like this, because communism is negatively associated in American society, so it is easier to scare people with China, if you call it "communist". The truth is that China is just another Third Reich in terms of nationalism and self-loving attitude, and it has less tax-burdened and more effective capitalist economy than all countries of the West, including even the USA.

>I am interested in what you meant by "the interests of the empire".

Ruling the world at expense of the rest of other nations inhabiting this planet, to be forever safe and forever rich.

not that I like what's going on but historically this is nothing new and not even close to the worst that it's ever been

their economy is doing so well because the government hands out money like it's candy.

If "handing out money" was the solution to economic development, then every country would be spending their way into prosperty.

They really are dealing with a house of cards, but the government has the power to pull the brakes and seize properties. Basically they're micro managing their econonomy to make it grow as fast as possible which is risky as it's not natural growth. If companies in China don't perform exceptionally well then the regime just seizes the company and hands it over to somebody else or destroys it entirely then redistributes the employees

>China lifts hundreds of millions of people out of poverty
>"It's not natural growth!!"

You're delusional.

In that case I do think the wars in the middle east, the support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are in the interests of the empire as they serve the function of weakening oil rich countries until they bend to the desires of US and International oil companies. Israel represents the entry point for the US into the middle east and Saudi Arabia is a good friend who buys expensive weapons from our companies.

>In that case I do think the wars in the middle east, the support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are in the interests of the empire

In what way exactly? The USA never was earning any significant money on stealing oil from Middle East. In fact you spent there like thousand times more than you earned. Senseless character of "war on terror" is visible especially today, when we are already 5 years after the shale energy revolution and slowly approach nuclear fusion solutions

Based China going the SimCity way instead of the let's-do-nothing-and-the-free-market-will-fix-it western way.

>but catholicism has no influence on our lives whatsoever.
>abortions are banned

Ban on abortions is easily bypassed here: our women make abortions in Czech Republic

A step towards what?

By the way, if the USA was stealing all oil from countries in the Middle East it destabilized and if the USA was selling this oil around the world for its profit, to remove its 22 trillion dollar debt, i would say : "that's fine". The problem is that the USA spent like 7 trillion dollar on the Middle East war, and this cost was multiplied due to usury, so in fact the USA only ended up with 22 trillion dollar debt and technological backwardness, because such countries like Russia and China used this time that USA wasted on unsymmetrical warfare with shitskins on developing military technology reducing American firepower all over the world such as A2AD. I am not sure that Saudi Arabia and Israel are so precious to lose so much for them.

You are a fucking idiot.
What the fuck has Soros done for workers rights? What has he done to remove the separation between worker and capital?
He is a neoliberal elite. An enemy of the left and people in general.

Fuck off dickhead, the cold war has nothing to do with it. Neoliberalism at its core is antithetical to the economic pursuits of left traditions. Anyone who calls neoliberalism, "leftist", has no fucking idea what they are talking about and are merely vomiting talking points from equally braindead Jow Forumstards who think socioeconomics are defined by political correctness.

>What the fuck has Soros done for workers rights?

As "much" as today's left.

Are you white

>What the fuck has Soros done for workers rights?
opensocietyfoundations.org/

The left today cares only about minorities rights, so all negros, arabs, lesbians, gays and so on were happy. They don't care about average Joe working in a factory at all, they only associate him with "nationalism" and "christianity".

>George Soros opens a foundation in Hungary, which would eventually lead to the establishment of the Open Society Foundations network. The foundations seek to expand people’s access to information in Eastern Europe and Russia—including by distributing photocopiers to independent groups to break the Communist Party’s grip on information.

yep pretty leftist heh

From American coffers to the deep pockets of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, American military contractors.
Simply put,
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex

Cut the crap user, today's left is not about "worker's rights" anymore
>But Marx said that
Marx isn't here anymore, and the left didn't start with Marx
if you can't deal with reality go back to leftypol

American military complex is a big loser in terms of developing new technologies. I already said that wasting trillions dollars on unsymmetric warfare with technologically backward shitskins using water-pipes instead of rocket launchers doesn't make a progress. Progress would be made in American military complex was engaged to maximum into proxy wars against big players such as Russia and China: on their backyards. So instead of sending billions dollars to Saudis and Jews, the USA should send billion dollars to such countries like Belarus, Ukraine or Taiwan, so they could spend them on American military tech and use this tech against Russia and China to test it.

they literally hand out super low interest loans to whoever wants them retard

the military industrial complex was designed to fight and keep up with the USSR, not backwards shitholes

>was

That's a good word describing its current state. Today's American military complex exists only for supporting corruptional schemes on gigantic scale and selling shitty weapon to American vassals and the amount of vassals is gradually decreasing. Even Russia spending like 15x less on army than the USA was able to develop functional hypersonic weapon faster than the USA. So what we can tell about China that spends on army half of nominal USA's military budget already, considering that their purchase power is much higher than Russia's due to incomparably lower cost and higher scale of industrial production?

>Today's American x complex exists only for supporting corruptional schemes on gigantic scale and selling shitty y to American z

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There's a lot more than fancy weapons that goes into our military. First off, we have the largest operating navy in the world by far, with 11 carriers stationed around the world. These carriers are escorted by 5-10 ships of varying class and size. We also have the two largest air forces in the world: the US air force and the US navy. Then we have 100s of staffed military bases around the world. Then we have our own GPS systems, programs like the USGS and NASA which are partially funded by the DOD and tech departments like DARPA. The department of defense is basically it's own country within the federal government.

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The USA could do one good thing and try to use Israel in proxy war against Russia in Syria now. But it could be the case only in two scenarios: 1) if Israel didn't own nuclear weapon, 2) if the USA wasn't ruled by Jews. I am afraid that Israel is just going to exit American influence sphere soon and enter Russian influence sphere instead, just like it exit soviet influence sphere few decades ago to enter American one. And Jews are going to do this to save their country from destruction, because they know how powerful Russians are, how weak Americans are and they just don't want to get wasted. And if this happens, your position will be even worse, because Jews will sell literally all your military tech to Russians and Chinese, and i mean this tech that they haven't sold already. The same with Saudis: they ain't stupid, they will balance the shit out of you with Russia and China too. Turkey already did.

i forgot to mention that we are also deployed in many conflicts in the world, which is more expensive than storing a bunch of military equipment in warehouses.

>i forgot to mention that we are also deployed in many conflicts in the world, which is more expensive than storing a bunch of military equipment in warehouses.

Too bad. After countries of the Middle East region saw how "effective" American air defence systems are on the example of Saudi Arabia, they all are interested in buying S-400 now instead. And it includes even a golden candidate for "strategic ally" of the USA such as India. Congrats.

what is this passive aggressive bullshit? I don't work for the military lmao

Israel's adventurism in Syria didn't help either, after Jewish F-35 were "hitting with birds" all of a sudden and Netanyahu was forced to visit Moscow on monthly basis to do anything in Syria at all.

Then why do all the fags and trannies on r/communism and r/socialism seem to protect China?

good for russia, the f35 is bad

because China is a planned economy with strong intervention policies.

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Everything about American military that could be theoretically able to fight full-scale war with major powers is bad. That's because you wasted it through last decades by applying it for unsymmetric warfare because you belived too much in Fukuyama's predictions and your unbreakable supremacy. Time to wake up now, because you land army is already inferior and weaker to Russia's and China's ones. And no, your navy won't save you this time, because China plans to connect itself with Europe through land-masses of Eurasia over which you have no influence at all. And when it does, US dollar is going to be as "valuable" as Venzuelan bolivar today

kek Russia and China haven't fought serious wars in decades, we have one of the most experienced militaries in the world. None of their stuff has been proven in real combat im not going to lose any sleep over it

China and Russia have virtually zero combat experience, no power projection, and a much smaller budget and worse logistics than the US. China and Russia only have an advantage in a defensive war.

>we have one of the most experienced militaries in the world

... in unsymmetrical fights against desert niggers. Oh wow. Meanwhile Russia just scorched-earth-bombed them all in Syria in literally few months only to check if it still can organize mass-bombardment actions against bigger players as well and if it still can transport its forces on few thousand km distances.

Come on Poland, don't be retarded. Are you seriously siding with the Russians and Chinks?

I am siding with America, that's why i express my doubts in an open way. If i was an enemy of the USA, i would be saying that everything is all right and the USA is still most powerful on Earth and shouldn't be worried about anything

>Russia and China haven't fought serious wars in decades
Syria?

>in asymmetrical fights
>mentions Russia in Syria
How exactly is the fighting in Syria symmetric? Do the Syrian rebels have thousands of tanks and planes that I don't know about?
you're a Russian troll

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Russia needs Syria for three reasons: 1) to protect its Tartus infrastructure, 2) to pressure Israel, which means pressuring the USA, because Jews rule the USA, and to buy itself concessions in other parts of the world thanks to this, f.e. in Ukraine, 3) to test its abilities for organizing mass-bombardments, for transporting forces on distances counted in thousands of killometers, and to test its newest weapones - all these things could be useful in removing NATO from Europe.

You're not understanding my point. Russia was fighting rebels, not another sovereign state with a structured military system. ISIS does not count as it was a complete mess with no planes or a substantial amount of tanks, also completely lacked a functioning logistics system. The Invasion of Iraq in the gulf war is probably the most recent war that was symmetrical, with two structured militaries (albeit the Iraqi military was outdated and shitty)

Russia is preparing itself everyday to war against NATO. The USA just began to recreate its fucking rocket artillery units like 2 years ago after decades of neglection. Go try to compare yourself with Russia if you will be able to organize at least half of size of their military exerices/mobilisations, please. It will take at least five years yet, if we assume that Trump won't lose next elections to somebody like Bernie Sanders.

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It would be funny if it wasn't true