Eastern Europe had communism but what excuse do Medoids have?

Also this

we have g*rmany and euro currency

Lazy niggers, portugese are the worst they barely had any wars in their home country.

Vilnius gang unite

Go back to Jow Forums, poor boy

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Look at those 3rd worlder anglos, no wonder scots want independence

Why is Portugal so shit? Even compared to us. Greece as well.

>tf
>tp

All of these are valid answers. We probably had it worse than them and we aren't as autistic, but even them we are better than the east. You ofc know the answer by now because you make at least one of these threads every day to bait retards. Enjoy the replies, I guess.

Boohoo
We had dictatorship (Soviet Union) until 1991, and even better, we were left with 0 functioning industry.
Cope more .

*even then

In Andalusia, south spain, we had a socialist regime that gave eurogibs to buy votes so they can continue stealing while we had 30% unemployment. Hopefully after 40 years, in the last election we kicked them and a liberal goverment was elected and now we're the second faster growing economy in Spain.

Boohoo
We had a dictatorship (Franco) until 1975, and even better, we were left with 0 functioning industry.
Cope more .

>We probably had it worse than them
lmao, Spain's whole history is ez mode

>16 years head start

Bad nineteenth and early twentieth centuries

>Barren land, isolated from Europe and Africa by natural barriers, somehow everyone wants to invade us, the different regions are also isolated from each other due to geography and lack of rivers. All of this creates tons of isolated people and makes it hard to unify them, which creates a lot of internal conflicts and civil wars.
Absolutely not, it is a miracle that we still exist as a country and it will likely not last for long. Our recent history (past 200 years) has been an absolute clusterfuck with tons of civil wars, dictatorships, falied republics/monarchies.
But yeah lmao we are le brown and stupid XDDD.

>i suffer in spain
shut the fuck up

We would be richer than Spain if we hadn't had communism. This mere fact makes me hate Russians even more (still it doesn't last for long)

>Not being close to germany or their sphere of influence.
It doesn't matter, the little industry that Franco left behind was either dismatled or sold. The 16 years head start are the reason why we are slightly better now, but it's not much time to build a successful country almost from scratch.

Spain is currently doing the best out of med countries, and I believe it will surpass Italy in a matter of a decade. Italy just can't grow, they've been stagnating for 20 years now.

Yes yes and if we hadn't had peronism+dictatorships we'd be world power, sure

It's hot

>We had a dictatorship (Franco) until 1975

Franco was an anti-communist, he didn't ban private firms, didn't forbid foreign capital to come to the country etc.

The problem is not with dictators themselves, a lot of them proved they were actually better managers than democratically elected rulers (Pinochet), the problem is with COMMUNIST dictators. You can't find even one example in history where a communist dictator (the one that adhered to the principles of communist economy, so don't come up with Deng Xiaoping or any other post-Mao Chinese leader here) brought the nation to prosperity.

lol why would communism be a excuse?
They were poor as fuck before communism too.

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Crazy how Wales in on a level of Eastern Slovenia. How come?

Argentina is heaven compared to Spain

i am glad we saved istanbul from greeks.

>They were poor as fuck before communism too.

Things can change, just like Ireland or Finland were "always" poor yet they became rich countries.

No one says Eastern Europe would be as rich as Germany, but the level of Spain would be easily achievable. Eastern Europeans are naturally more hard working than meds, so under the same conditions they always prove to be more efficient.

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>Spaniard whining about invasions, lack of unity, civil wars, totalitarian regimes and revolutions
Did you ever read a single sentence of history on Eastern Europe? You had colonialism which is the equivalent of starting the game with pay-to-win loot boxes, and you weren't even touched by world wars. You had more than enough peace and money to pull something off.

what the fuck are you on about

Both the North and the South have Germany/the euro, but only one is Eastern Europe tier

>You had colonialism

Actually colonies were more like a burden than an asset. Most of European countries gladly got rid of them.

Formerly

>colonialism

all the silver was used to hire mercenaries to fight in Europe, though, our kings were more concerned about some german peasants being protestant than investing in Spain

historytoday.com/archive/spanish-bankruptcy

>spanish-bankruptcy

I hate this event in EU2, it's really disastrous

Eastern Europe was always poor

kek same here but once you know when it happens you can try to be prepared and not engage in a war meanwhile

>didn't forbid foreign capital to come to the country etc.
lmao. We tried being an "autarchy" until the 1960s and at that time we were poor as rats. It wasn't until the last decade of Franco's rule (when he steped down in favour of the technocrats) that we starting being prosperous. After that, our economy boomed, but only because it was shite prior to that. In 1939, when the civil war ended, we were poorer than Poland or any other European country for that matter. You can read about it if you look up "Spanish Miracle". We went from Africa tier to Eastern Europe tier, which is indeed a big leap. I also assume that regionalisms are not so big in Poland, but here in Spain every single fucking region wants more autonomy (not necessarily independence) and that is their only goal. It's hard to govern a country like that and the worst part is that that behaviour is only encouraged by our constitution, we are granted the right to be special snowflakes. Poland had it bad, but we also did and we are far from Germany, which doesn't help.

youtube.com/watch?v=aIbpt1aDFqM

>all the silver was used to hire mercenaries to fight
Meanwhile, Balkan peasants were being slaughtered because they had nothing to defend themselves with. Your whining is like a California girl crying because the store didn't have avocados.

Yeah, like 300 years ago. And we didn't suffer both world wars, but we did suffer a couple civil wars, most notably the 1936 one, which completely destroyed our country. At the end of it we were poorer than anyone. Also, our gold was spend to pay back loans, wars, etc since the Habsburg's rule. The little gold left was sent to Russian by the Republican army to buy weapons and shit. It seems that you haven't picked up a book either.

yeah because napoleon's invasion didn'y kill one million iberians and destroyed everything they stepped on, everybody had it's wars and catastrophes

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_War#Aftermath

>which completely destroyed our country.

Several destroyed villages and towns doesn't mean 'completely destroyed our country'. The war didn't even touch the main cities like Barcelona or Madrid, it's nothing compared to what Germany or Poland suffered in WW2.

Retard, most of Yugoslavia was on an agricultural level of development until the commies. My grandparents literally lived like medieval peasants. They saw meat only twice a year. Serbia lost 50% of the male population in WWI. People were dying from typhus outbreaks and starvation. WWII had death camps and cities being bombed into oblivion. Partisans literally lived in caves. What are you even on about?

Based Nappy.

Still not even close. Yugoslavia is much smaller than Spain and lost 1,2 million in WWII. Eastern Europe was in almost perpetual war for centuries. We barely had anything to be destroyed in the first place. You were running an empire, you had the infrastructure. Balkans were a permanent military zone for Habsburgs and Turks to fling shit over. Then there are Venetians stirring up shit, crusaders looting whomever, the Byzantines, the Franks, the Avars, even fucking Normans invaded, there were even Arab raids on Croatian cities, fucking Mongols, Poles were fucked by Swedes, Germanics have been stirring up shit since forever trying to expand their rule.

After the Reconquista, it was pretty much a breeze for Spain. There were no real end of the world invasion scenarios. You were a powerful and development country while peasants here were trying to start rebellions against the Turks only to end up being slaughtered within a week or committing mass suicide to avoid being caught.

My county has a pop. density of 25/km^2
But we're richer than Poortugal

I'm butthurt Yugoslavs didn't follow the Spanish way after 1980 and will repeat it every time this topic is brought up

Time worked != time being productive.
Japanese are a splendid example for that.

>Yugoslavia is much smaller than Spain and lost 1,2 million in WWII.

back then spain had a smaller population

>After the Reconquista, it was pretty much a breeze for Spain

my fucking sides

Arab genes