Why do software developers get paid so little in Europe?

>Because Americans are extremely stupid and if you can do something harder than basic math people are ready to make you a PhD. For some reason everything is hard for you
That must be why we produce so many advancements because we're stupid.

You're not producing much of anything retard, the Russian and Asian immigrants on the other hand

a) He was obviously fucking with you
b) You've unironically proved his point.

It's because you are ready to pay big buck to not stupid people. People here expect you not to be stupid so it's diminishes everything

They actually get benefits

Russians don't even move here. Why even bring them up, Ivan?

but all european say how good whatsapp is

there's actually a lot of russian immigrants in soy valley working as devs

Seattle and NYC as well. Russians are some of the most solid devs I have seen, especially in anything that is machine learning, systems programming and algo trading.

My worst experience has been with Indian devs in the US, hands down. Most overrated devs, the Chinese are a close second.

I have literally never met a Russian. Many Poles, Ukranians, etc but never a Russian in the US

Because they don't have a interventionist government willing to murder people to keep the profit of it's high tech companies high.

Can confirm SV has a lot of them, not just devs but also industrial physicists. They have a very good reputation.

how much do industrial physicists get paid in silicon valley? my phd is in a type of physics and probably will go to industry instead of academia

Cause we have something called taxes. You actually don't want to earn too much money because the nature of these taxes. When you earn more, you need to pay more which you don't want. This aswell makes it harder for companies to pay more salaries cause they aswell has so much to pay. I know taxes might be a hard concept to grasp but it's a little bit like wiping your ass; you don't want to do it, but you have to. I hope things cleared up for you

If you have a PhD in Physics then I strongly suggest you to get into quantitative finance. They love physicists in that field, a ton of quants on wall street and in Chicago are Physics PhD.

>the Russian and Asian immigrants on the other hand
Except they mostly dont.
>Dan Bricklin, Larry Ellison, Fanning, Hurley, Marc Andreessen, Larry Page (though Brin is smarter in my opinion), Jobs/Wozniak, Gayes (though he was more business), dorsey/glass/stone/williams, Zuckerberg (I personally think hes and idiot though), Systrom, etc.
>Not American

Even when you find foreign born inventors like Brin and Chen they came here as kids.
This board is fucking delusional when it comes to the U.S. and innovation/inventions. Most of the foreigners I meet here are just low level coders and nothing more brought over because they know some niche language or who came here for college to get a green card.

We do not get paid less. We just work fewer hours per year. That's why annual wage is a pretty shit metric.

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Not sure. My father was one and he was making 200k when he retired (idk if that included stocks). He's shy and sucks at negotiating so take that with a grain of salt. Generally, physicists work in a lower profit margin industry than devs. But I do know there are a LOT of high performing leaders who started as physicists. PhD in physics is highly respected everywhere.

I've heard that materials is where it's at if you want to get into the industry. What do you study?

okay i will look into it
lasers, photonics, and optical metrology. optical computers may be the next big thing and ive heard the whole optics related field is in demand right now so i think i will at least get a job that i can live well on. materials was what i wanted to do going into my bachelors but my undergrad uni didnt cover that shit kek

My father was an optical physicist. Plenty of jobs for that kind of thing here. IDK about if its growing but you should be fine.

It doesn't beat being a dev around here though.

yeah i dont expect to beat a dev unless their wages just crashed one day, i like my field though and would find dev work too boring

Damn. Why are wages in Canada so shit, lmao?

all of the highest paid countries are europoorean though? are you retarded?

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based

You don't work for hourly rate if you're a software developer at least I don't know anyone who does here.

In USA, software developers are forced to work in shitholes like Silicon Valley where you are forced to pay $3000 a month for a shared flat, or more, I don't know the exact number but you get my drift.
In Europe it's not that bad for any software developer in the real state side of things.
Another thing to note is that in USA you have to pay your healthcare, whether by a insurance or paying every time you go to the hospital.
So, since these salaries you posted are probably after taxes, there's even less cost for the European developers.
Overall, I think American software developers have a higher purchasing power, mainly because many leading companies are American and there's a lot of demand for them, but I don't think the difference is as big as it would seem at first.

Because most are outright incompetent and they also ""outsource"" some of their own jobs. When you employ a German softdev he's going to give some part of his project to a Polish or a Romanian developer who will also employ a fucking Paki or Chink under the table.

If you work in Silicon Valley the pay is 200k a year. 100k is probably average for some place like Pittsburgh or Houston where rents are less than $1000 a month. Employers will alsp pay for your health insurance. And taxes are much lower in the U.S.

Because you can't have a serious company in the EU

>not even on the list
Kek, fuck us

Just to clarify, no EU country will ever produce companies like Google, Tesla, Microsoft, Uber, or anything else that's powerful enough to provide a global platform of some kind and build it from the ground up. Therefore, there's less demand for true specialists like in SV.

Of course youre not, but a company is def going to pay you differently if you work 35 hours a week rather than 45.

Cringe

Worse America more or less.

>receive outrageous salaries as codemonkey so you can live in overpriced shoeboxes in the Silicon Valley
>bitch and moan when your job gets outsourced to India within 2 years because 20 software developers there have three times your output

Why are they so overpaid in USA?
Day of the cable soon, parasite

Isn't software development blue collar work of the 21th century? It's the kind of work which doesn't require any formal training

Absolutely based.

I think this map is fake. According to it finnish software developers have an average salary of 3321e. The only even semi-reliable survey done on this put the average software developer salary at 4222e with a median of 4000.

>sees comments
>realize that huge portion of Jow Forums posters don't even comprehend the very basic concept of supply and demand
>some of them unironically supposed to have free first world education

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Based

Is it before or after taxes?
Does it include your compulsory health insurance or not?
In Europe health care and unversity is paid by state.
You risk comparing apples to oranges.

this is why you europoors will never have any tech giants.

Why aren't there any american companies building 5G networks? Ericsson and Nokia are the only western companies doing it

>Is it before or after taxes?
>Does it include your compulsory health insurance or not?
oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/
European social benefits are a complete meme, even after considering taxes and transfers the median income in the U.S. is about 40% greater than in the developed European countries like France, Italy, and the United Kingdom.

Most Americans don't pay any more than Euros for healthcare, which is employee-provided, nor do most Americans pay for public tertiary education tuition. Community college (which can be subbed for the first two years of a bachelor's degree) is free for 75% of the population, and even in a relatively underfunded full university system like that of Texas you don't pay any tuition unless you make well over the median household income of $56,000.

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wait, if greeks work that much, why are they in debt after all those gibs from europe too?

No one pays taxes in Greece.

>tfw studying comp sci in france

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They say you can't get fired in France even if you want to.

Just consider the cost of living. Programmers get here $ 2000-3000 on average, but with this money you can live like a real king

I am a developer
I make $130k and I live in France

This, the vast majority of codemonkeys does not produce anything particularly valuable.

What company and what exactly is your title?

I live near the French-Swiss border and I work as Senior Developer in banking industry in Switzerland. This is why I get this salary.

The bad side is the cost life (specially housing) near the French-Swiss border is high (but still less than Switzerland).