Why is the West stagnating while China builds entire cities?
Why is the West stagnating while China builds entire cities?
Brody Reyes
Evan King
we give them money
Asher Stewart
the service you provide is too good, thanks for it
Chase Diaz
Reminder that China used more concrete from 2008-2014 than the US used in the entire 20th century
Hudson Reed
Our economic model for the last ~200+ years has been "infinite growth forever" and we ran out of places to develop
Ryder Smith
and all of it is shitty grade concrete that will fall apart in 10 years. They gotta find some way to keep their huge construction bubble busy
Kevin Campbell
>he thinks america has reached it's potential
lol we've finally linked together the whole country just a few decades ago. And now we need to build a transit system
Colton Phillips
that maybe true but it takes 10 years to pave 1 mile of road in america
Leo Allen
Jayden Harris
we have that it's called the interstate highway system
>b-but trains
we have one of the more complex train systems in the world
Daniel Rivera
nice meme
Dominic Rivera
Andrew Cox
Also, Shenzhen, a single chinese city, built more skyscrapers than the entire US last year
Benjamin Morgan
We also build entire cities and provinces. We just don't stack them on top of each other.
Ethan Brooks
>look i found some videos of bad construction in a country of 1.4 billion
this some real cope shit
Wyatt Bell
why do the west need to build something that we already have? The west was building entire cities back in the XIX and XX century, now China is doing it, so be it.
the US barely uses any concrete for construction aside from infrastructure. American housing and buildings are built with steel and wood instead of concrete, so not surprising. Pic related.
Liam Rivera
oh yeah chang, I forgot there are an equal number of videos of people being eaten by escalators and dismembered by faulty elevators from every other country
except, OH WAIT, NO THERE FUCKING AREN'T
you're the one on some cope shit
Aaron Robinson
Trump is a retard but that doesn't change my point, salty leaf.
Oliver Harris
>we have one of the more complex train systems in the world
You really don't. Certainly not high speed.
Landon Allen
>According to the lead infrastructure aide on the White House’s Council on Environmental Quality, the permitting process for how the government builds roads, bridges, rails and pipelines is now an average of under five years.
>The Wall Street Journal quoted Alexander Herrgott telling a Washington conference in January that he hopes the administration will "take permit delivery times from what is now an average of 4.7 years down to two years."
>That 4.7 year figure also appeared in a 2015 study by the law firm Arnold & Porter into the government permitting process.
Gavin Sullivan
>user defending the chinks
>it's a leaf
every time
Christopher Cox
Federal funded roads make up a small portion of the network and it takes so long because it takes a ton of time to purchase all of the land and plan out the road. Maintaining them is an entirely different thing which is usually handled by the state or local governments.
Chase Thomas
America is so advanced. Do you know they have airports inside skyscrapers? China will never be this advanced.
Chase Wright
China has to develop more to cater for its growing population. Growing population is a bad thing
Zachary Smith
Colton Jenkins
We have reached a technological level where everything important take at least a decade, but our politicians only care about the next reelection.
Juan Allen
imagine being this butthurt
Kevin Campbell
China has more high speed rail networks than every other country combined. Also the National Trunk Highway System recently overtook the US interstate highway system as the largest paved highway network in the world.
China is also a leader in green technology. In 2017, they invested the most money in green technology. Almost 3 times what America has invested.
They have built the world's largest solar farm, the largest wind farm, the largest hydroelectric dam (and power generation facility) in the world. They have the 2nd highest nuclear fission reactors being built right now and are party to ITER - the experimental fusion reactor.
Julian Williams
>rail
lol 19th century locomotives trains are easier to build than 21st century high speed rail dumbass.
Samuel Jones
all that progress and the average Chinese street still looks like this
Sebastian Diaz
America's air network is so advanced. They have destinations to the middle of farms in Pennsylvania! China's air network will never be like this.
Matthew Long
Corruption and privatisation makes building stupidly expensive.
New Heathrow runway = 15 billion
New China airport with 9 runways = 15 billion
Dylan Rivera
we have no need for high speed rail except for New England and the west coast.
you are being disingenuous.
Blake Perez
True but like in any other democratic countries this is because the government actually cares about regulations and the public opinion
Owen Sanders
>US had a terrorism attack once
wow very shameful! meanwhile China is so great and mighty, they attack themselves!
Blake Flores
>public opinion
Joseph Gonzalez
chinknadian btfo
Hunter Bailey
There's a billion chinese, all of which were agrarian a lifetime ago. More and more are moving from the countryside to the cities. Its their industrial revolution, this is the only true answer, if you say anything else you're retarded
Gabriel Phillips
Literally Neoliberalism. Asia rejected Neoliberalism instead adopting a more collectivist state based Capitalism that strongly pushes collective harmony and societal development first. This sort of Capitalism was pioneered by LKY and copied by the rest of the Tigers.
Instead in the late 70s early 80s the West decided that basically "fuck Society and collective action, the market is God and economists are the high priests, the best society will come about with liberalisation of all the markets and individuals being FREEEEE in both socially and economically. There is no such thing as Society, only individuals making rational choices in a rational market" and the west has been a stagnating pile of shit since then. Notice all our infrastructure and shit is literally from the 50s? This is because there is no collective will to actually do anything for society anymore and everything has to be profitable, even utilities to even make a Government consider investing in it. (most utilities are not profitable hence why you get no fucking infrastructure upgrades).
I would make a fucking $1000 bet if Neoliberalism didn't happen, we would already have solved Climate Change by now and probably be on Mars.
Honestly Economists should just be thrown into a meat grinder. Their field is literally bullshit F-tier Sociologists larping as Physicists anyway. (not even kidding, speak to any Econ grad, they all literally think they're science on the level of physics)
Cooper Howard
based
Isaac Lewis
If economists are high priests, why do economists pleases for free trade and open borders fall on deaf ears?
Aaron Watson
What? NYC is constantly building, has an exploding population and it was already a very large and developed city.
Angel Gray
They don't. Their audience is mostly elites, not retarded workers, and elites (of all political persuasions) generally support those things.
Joshua Ross
>likes east asian dictatorships
>not a massive soyboy who wants Xi inside him
Julian Parker
>Why is the West stagnating while China builds entire cities?
That's because nothing lasts forever. Anyway, i love mr Trump just like whole Poland loves him. That's because i earn money thanks to him. For example i earned today 2248 US dollar in 13 minutes on taking short positions (casual scalping) on American index and German index, after Trump announced putting tarrifs on Chinese products. Trump's twitter is literally river of money for me and other speculants.
David Mitchell
you ran out of places to develop? are you retarded? have you seen shitcago or the entire east coast? half your country looks worse than vietnam
Xavier Cruz
Then why does America and Europe still have tight immigration policies? Why does Trump threaten tariffs against everyone from Canada to China? Why does every single Democratic candidate take a swing against NAFTA and trade with China?
Joseph Richardson
>Its their industrial revolution, this is the only true answer, if you say anything else you're retarded
Pretty much. It's like places like London, Manchester, Berlin, etc. in the 1800s. They even have the shitty living conditions for the factory workers.
Carson Ramirez
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Ayden Peterson
This is wrong, Look at the political barometer polls that are taken yearly. Singaporeans and Chinese are routinely at the top of "My Government is highly responsive" while Western Countries Sally around the low-middle. The reason is that authoritarian Capitalist states need to project stability first and foremost, so dissent is actually just very often "bribed off" giving the protesters what they want. Want a new pool for your suburb? Just get a bunch of Elderly Cadre standing with a banner "We want a pool", share it on Social media and watch a Pool appear within a few weeks, because A: Anything resembling instability is bad mojo for a society that believes in Confucian bullshit and B: Elders are still highly respected and mistreatment of them can cause major shit storms, especially elderly party cadre.
The reason in the West everything takes so long is largely, the Government doesn't give a shit knowing people won't do anything, if they do eventually get pressured into building a pool, it has to go through a 3 year tender process between private organisations before it's handed to the private organisations Government ministers have stocks in, then there will be no oversight on the Private Company to actually build the pool, so wait another few years before it's all cancelled and the land given to the Private company to build the pool is sold back to the Government at 10x the price they were given the land for (I worked for Local Government and this shit happened ALL the fucking time).
If the Government just had it's own workers to build the pool, it could have been done in a week, but thanks to Neoliberal "Muh Competitive Market tender" dogshit, it never gets built and a whole bunch of taxpayer money disappears into private hands.
Once you work for Government, you will realise what a fucking disaster Privatisation and Neoliberalism have been and how it largely just exists to transfer public money into private coffers.
Bentley Diaz
;)
Cooper Baker
>the U.S. should build skyscrapers for the sake of saying they built more than China even though they have plenty and only build what they need.
This is your brain on Chinese muh-dicking.
Jace Williams
Because of the social credit system. If you dont like what the government is doing and criticize it you lose points and wont be able to use the train or planes anymore.
And who even does the polls? China is a society of cheating, so why wouldn't they cheat the polls the same way school children cheat in their tests? One time a school wanted to enforce a no cheating rule and all the parents came around to complain
William Brown
East Asian countries (and especially China) are not the meritocratic utopia you're describing, not to mention that stuff like corruption is a little higher and general trust a little lower compared to Western European countries (Japan may be an exception)
Jose Cooper
in taiwan we build shit within days - weeks. Some kids wanted a skateboard park and asked a neighbor who emailed some politician in the area. bada boom. done.
Luis Thomas
Update: my earnings for today are already 3800 US dollar. I usually close positions in friday afternoon instead of opening them, so i think i won't try my luck anymore, and i pass.
Angel Perry
>This whole thread
It's always the same easily recognizable shit posters spewing the same half-baked bullshit. Two of which come off like fucking mentally ill junkies.
Joseph Garcia
working as intended. Pic is their concept. Maybe your IQ is too low to navigate Chinese superior system.
Jacob Allen
gays
Cooper Cooper
Fuck, i am a sick individual. Please, make me stop. It is 4700 US dollar now.
Anthony Butler
>if they do eventually get pressured into building a pool, it has to go through a 3 year tender process between private organisations before it's handed to the private organisations Government ministers have stocks in, then there will be no oversight on the Private Company to actually build the pool
kek its the exact same here.
Samuel Barnes
The chinese government forces development and progress whether people want it or not
The west is focused on removing gendered language from city charters
Easton Bailey
polls are fine, the thing with "trust" is that results depend a lot on how the question is phrased, anyways there are better and more direct ways to measure trust or honesty (see pic related) science.sciencemag.org
>China is a society of cheating, so why wouldn't they cheat the polls the same way school children cheat in their tests
China's data on school assessment is also fine
Carson Gutierrez
Zachary Hernandez
>while China builds entire cities
"The west" doesn't have to build "entire cities", nor can "the west" usually just force people to be displaced to "build entire cities" is my guess.
Gavin Parker
>Hong Kong
Master baiter or ameritard? I can't even tell.
Robert Williams
t. Kevin Zhang Yi, "Canadian"
Eli Morgan
"You" sound "like" you are massively "coping" here.
Adrian Carter
>Once you work for Government, you will realise what a fucking disaster Privatisation and Neoliberalism have been and how it largely just exists to transfer public money into private coffers.
yep.
privatization=
1. sold off cheap to politicians' families and friends
2. politicians' family and friends sell it to chinese for profit
3. chinese take knowhow and tech and then close factory
4. people: "wtf!?, our jobs are gone!"
5. politicians: "but you said socialism is bad and capitalism is based and redpilled? didnt you?"
6. politicians: "learn to code, lmao."
Kayden Price
Because we already have enough cities.
Xavier Butler
The Chinese government literally runs the nation like a Sim City player. In the West (or the developed parts of the East for that matter), the majority of people aren't insectoid drones and won't accept being steamrolled in this way. A significant amount of suburban Americans are an exception.
Jackson Bennett
>Argentina
Do you even have cities, as in plural?
Landon Hughes
>won't accept being
Or they're not poor and needy enough is my guess.
>A significant amount of suburban Americans are an exception.
Not sure what you mean. Those cookie cutter suburbs are built on empty lands, aren't they?
Kevin Cook
we did it too
Oliver Walker
>the majority of people aren't insectoid drones and won't accept being steamrolled in this way
That is a strange way to say that the average human only cares about prosperity and actually doesn't care about the democracy meme.
Aiden Kelly
Because North America is obsessed with living in a normie suburb with 1.6 kids and a wife about 30 miles away from "the city" and Europe is obsessed with living in 1000 year old towns with no vertical development
Chinks actually have a desire to live in a city with new technology and developments while the West has this weird boner for physical traditionalism.
The entire world would unironically be filled with Chinese-level cities if we threw away these archaic ideas about keeping million-people cities clean of any skyscrapers in Europe, and having suburbs larger than the city itself in America.
Sebastian Williams
same here
Alexander Peterson
This one entered hard but i still gained on this unlucky position. My today's earning is 5050 US dollar.
I just closed the forex platform just like a junkie closes cocaine in a drawer.
Mason Jackson
I gained on this position only because i didn't freak out and decided to keep the loss for an hour. I entered this position with almost half million zloty (130k dollar) and 20x lever without setting stop-loss. You should never do this at home, kids.
Blake Gonzalez
An economy built on real estate will collapse beautifully.
Alexander Morris
uhhh, you're taking 130x20 positions and you're happy to get 5.5?
Jayden Russell
I never open long-hours positions at friday afternoon: . That's because i close them.
The only thing i can do at friday afternoon is extremely short term scalping only if i am sure of general trend. DAX will fall most probably yet in monday due to Trump's tarrifs on Chinese products. That's why i decided to keep the loss for an hour because i was 90% sure that it will fall down anyway.
Connor Rodriguez
they're focused on internal consumption now
Mason Evans
By the way, i almost quadrupled my broker account in half a year from 120k to over 500k. That's not a big achievement, desu, but i am playing in a careful way, without making a lot of "runs".
This guy sextupled his broker account in less than a month from 200.000 zl to 1.200.000 zl f.e.: youtube.com
I know him personally from TJS meetings.
Andrew Ward
Most of our trains are for freight, not people. Passenger trains are usually in large cities.
Dominic Martin
if forex can make you rich why do forex traders make fortune from selling books not from forex itself
Brody Morris
>if forex can make you rich why do forex traders make fortune from selling books not from forex itself
That's because Bernard Baruch said that the main job of market is making idiots out of as many people as possible. 80%-90% people speculating on CFDs lose their money. That's why i can multiply my brokerage account, because i belong to the 10%-20%.
Jaxon Johnson
Are you talking about the west or China? Most the anglosphere is currently experiencing massive property bubbles.
Robert King
ok
i don't mind as long as this money is invested in Poland and more and more skyscrapers for rich people pop up around me
Thomas Sanders
por que te sientes aludido cuando hablan de occidente lmao
Leo Wilson
Besides people are generally idiots, because they pay lots of money to "forex trainers" who "teach them" how to speculate. But none of these people ask their trainers to show their financial statements. If i ever decided to pay anybody for teaching me art of speculation, i would want to be sure that this person is making huge money on the market, right? Meanwhile "trainers" earn money on "training" not on speculation. That's the point.
BTW, if you want to know everything about speculation, and ask no questions, just read this book of my friend Rafał Zaorski:
forexrev.pl
... and don't be surprised that almost all pages of this book are blank
Nathan Baker
based
Henry Wright
nah i don't care about money desu
Caleb Green
Reading this book will take only a minute. And you will know everything about speculation that is needed to make money on market.
Jacob Long
These are just construction projects designed to keep people employed and busy rather than serve a useful need or function, because significant unemployment could be catastrophic for the party.
Dylan Reed
>growth at >10% for 20 years in real manufacturing sector
useless busy work
>growing at 3% for 40 years in """""financial""""" and """"""services""""""
useful need
btw, you can't steal a factory but IPs are free real estate ;)
Michael Nguyen
Well that and their primary function which is to create an artificial real estate market.
They create billions "worth" of real estate and projects too expensive for anyone to actually live in or use but it all looks good on paper and creates nice market bubbles which you can keep inflated a lot longer in a centrally planned system, but at the same time you're increasing the severity of the future collapse.
Juan Clark
why are the chinese moving to and buying property in the west en-mass?
Jordan Wilson
People have been saying this for over a decade now.
Ryan Morris
So that the countries who received all that money can't become uppity toward China.