12 thousand dollars a year. How can you not vote for this?

UBI is flawed but we need to try something like this. Unfortunately it won't be tried because Americans are brainwashed by inflated unemployment numbers which are really part time gig work with no benefits and you get treated worse than cattle. Can't wait for the AI tbqh.

It's like starting a game of monopoly, every thing goes back into the economy. Everyone starts at the same amount. The only money being used is the amount that is already in the economy.

yang2020.com/policies/the-freedom-dividend/
yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

>The federal government recently printed $4 trillion for the bank bailouts in its quantitative easing program with no inflation. Our plan for the Freedom Dividend uses mostly money already in the economy. In monetary economics, leading theory states that inflation is based on changes in the supply of money. The Freedom Dividend has minimal changes in the supply of money because it is funded by a Value-added Tax.

>It is likely that some companies will increase their prices in response to people having more buying power, and a VAT would also increase prices marginally. However, there will still be competition between firms that will keep prices in check. Over time, technology will continue to decrease the prices of most goods where it is allowed to do so (e.g., clothing, media, consumer electronics, etc.). The main inflation we currently experience is in sectors where automation has not been applied due to government regulation or inapplicability – primarily housing, education, and healthcare. The real issue isn’t the Freedom Dividend, it’s whether technology and automation will be allowed to reduce prices in different sectors.

why do we have to be the guinea pigs. why don't you try it you fucking pinko leaf

>unemployment

About unemployment: Consider it only shows people who still looking for jobs, not all people who are out of work. More people are working two to three jobs. And yes, the part time "gig" jobs that offers little benefits.

Military and half of social security

>¡Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! Yeehaw! $1,000 a month, por favor, Señor Yang!

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AI is unstoppable. If he wins, The 2nd term of Trump will really shock people to how brutal the current system is. Why do we have a person in charge of "Human Resource"? Because American workers are resources, firms are trying to make their resources as productive as possible, but no human can beat or compete with artificial intelligence or a robot. You can carry all the guns you want and blow up self driving trucking plants, their will be lobbying, armed guards to shut that down quick.

Totally different from letting billionaires hoard wealth overseas.

nice thats like one ambulance ride

its probably true but we need to try something. the future of humanity is grim which might be a good thing but we should at least try something while we still can.

>12 thousand dollars a year
I make that in a month sometimes.

happening anyway

You think people will give 12k to anyone? We are going to have the strongest border security and laws, and 12k is only given to citizens. The only thing is if you find your way here undocumented, it's only a civil offense, not treated like Bush era criminal acts of terrorism.

>Humanity finally develops the ability to automate labor-intensive tasks
>"The future is grim"

What the fuck? When did technology and economic efficiency become a bad thng?

Full-time McDonald's employees make more than you.

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I hope Yang or Bernie wins, but I have that sinking feeling America will wake up too late. The next recession is coming. China can hold out for another 5 years. Who comes after Trump? Pence? Another globalist corporatist neo-liberal?

When we realized that 99% of the population would remain without income (since people are still hung up on the "taxation is theft" meme).

Because labor-intensive workers will be displaced and the job market is already saturated AND filled with bullshit jobs that the world doesn't need

>The next recession is coming.

Yeah, they happen regularly. There's a reason why it's called the "business cycle".

No. 12k USD is around 120 000SEK.

>bullshit jobs that the world doesn't need

You're saying that companies just hire people and pay them for no reason?

You can lose your job. Imagine really long term employment. Like 5 years or more.

I hope you have good savings or investments and good private health insurance.

Literally, yes.
There's absolutely no reason for half of the administrative jobs in the world to exist.

Automation has made me more productive as a software engineer.

user said he makes about 12k dollars (we don't use dollars) per month sometimes.
That's around 116 000 SEK per month. About 11x that of a McDonald's employee here in Sweden.

Firms want to maximize profit. They're not gonna hire a person if they don't perceive that they're gonna increase revenues more than they cost.

Great, you have made it. You are safe.

Most Americans are not software engineers though.

>currently in a power struggle with china
>let's elect a chink president
Brilliant idea, how could this possibly go wrong?

Sure, on paper.
In reality, 50 year old Sandra who doesn't know how to properly open PDFs spends 2 hours a day forwarding e-mails and making a schedule then browsing news sites and gossping for another 5 hours.

UBI is simply to prevent tech dictators to reap all of the gains from full automation

If firms don't care about maximizing profit, what are you so worried about?

Huh?
The OP asked when did technology become a bad thing. It's a bad thing if and only if it displaces labor-intensive worker because (a) the job market is saturated; and (b) open positions are often bullshit jobs. For the sake of society's health, I find pushing everyone into a bullshit job to be bullshit (not going full-on Kaczynski, but his points are valid). I don't care about firms not maximizing profits.

$12K/yr wouldn't even cover my rent. I'd still need a job.

thats the point retard

Live with another person. Now you both have 24k/yr.

americans are so retarded that they'll still piss away a chance at 12k for free

Great article. If you actually read it, it says yang is going to pay the Freedom Dividend by taxing Google, Facebook, Amazon.

It's genius.

>It's genius.
>taxing megacorporations that for some reason have been given free passes to not pay taxes for years is suddenly genius
i like the guy, but it's fucking retarded how nobody has decided to just do this already

He seems cool, but from the debate it almost seemed like UBI was the only thing he had planned. As much as I like the idea of UBI, he also needs to focus on other things, like healthcare and climate change.

Here in quebec the government started taxing big tech since january but they didn't do anything in return like UBI.

Why do people unironically believe that giving money to billionaires that park their capital in some offshore hellhole or luxury condos in an emirati glass Dildo stimulates the economy more than taxing excess wealth in favor of people that do actually buy commodities and appliances like cars fridges or washing machines which actually stimulates the economy.

but social security is not the only entitlement pool

yang2020.com/policies/carbon-fee-dividend/

yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/

yang2020.com/policies/prescription-drug-costs/

that'll be because politicians are pieces of shit, brainlets think society can't function with mixtures of 'socialism' and capitalism but really society would function so much better with some sort of ubi, and there's definitely ways of funding it (like taxing the jew)

'free' is a silly way to talk about stuff like this
it's just an economic restructure

But I think most people in the world, not just here, are so dumb that they'll be convinced by corporate thinktanks and NGOs that anything other than the status quo is impossible

>Already spend 4.764 trillion
>government revenue 3.645 trillion
>wants to spend 3.96 trillion more
>Thinks corporate taxes will pay for it and corporations will agree to it
>GDP under 20 trillion

Ummmm yeah this will clearly work.

The Austrian school of Economics and Ronald Reagan

It would cost about 20% of our GDP and essentially double our federal budget. I dont think it would be good for the economy and I have a feeling a lot of corporations headquartered here would flee instead of pay the taxes.

>it's just an economic restructure
i used free due to the fact that it isn't coming out of anything particularly important
>force company to pay their taxes by law
>they do
that was hard

I don't care if it bankrupts America.
Yanggang 2020

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>corporations will agree to it
they can't disagree with the law

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based and UBIpilled

Is there anyone in canada that has spoken about UBI for the upcoming elections?

His philosophy is alluring, I can say that at least. He's even openly acknowledged and talked about white birth rates in the USA, something so many politicians close the lid on for some reason. He's definitely not your typical lefist.

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That's my yearly salary

>thinking these corps would be what they were if they pay these taxes
>thinking they have this wealth lying around and arent constantly investing it to compete with rival corps
is this brainlet hour?

but stuff is also cheaper there

The money that currently goes towards military and civilian welfare queens. And from Israel’s billions of “aid” dollars

>PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR CORPORATIONS

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It would be 20% of our GDP at 3.96 trillion. For revenue Apple had 265.6 billion last year, Amazon 232.9 billion, Google made 136.8 billion, Boeing 100 billion, Facebook 55.93 billion, GE 33.3 billion, Microsoft 30.1 billion. Are you starting to see the problem? Even if they are only paying 0 taxes now you'd have to tax them an insane percentage of just revenue not profit.

ah yes, companies are reinvesting every penny they make, every single penny of revenue

but nobody knows what their profits are because they're shifting the money into assets and to foreign banks so that it won't be considered profit and they won't have to pay on it

it'd be a VAT, not based on income

well im sure the bosses are paid well but that represents a fraction of wealth Yang plans to tax
yes but think everything you use is corporate owned. The services would suffer and cuts would be made, thus rising prices and/or lowering quality. The prices rising would make the 10k per year worthless, or at the very least that 10k would be what it is worth now

Humans are greedy asshole whom seek to abuse every new system they are new. All that extra generated wealth will go to the toppest of all

>asked about preventing global warming
>"yeah, we're already fucked and there's basically nothing we can do so the only thing we can do is deal with the consequences"
holy based

Pretty much. Thanks Reagan for decoupling worker's productivity increases from wage levels. We'd all have 4h work days if it wasn't for this douche.

>Millionaires shouldn't get the $1,000 a month despite how much they're paying
>The millions of illegals from Mexico and Central America who Yang wants to make citizens should though

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They assumed that richfags would constantly build new things rather than investing in stocks lmao. Also poorfags can't handle money and would spent all in gambling or some shit.

You wouldnt make it up by taxing what they should pay now. You would have to tax revenue an additional probably 20% and they are supposed to be paying 35% already (which you'd also have to have some existing mechanism to make them pay).
They will move to other countries retard. It has happened many times before. Eaton for example is an American company but headquartered in Ireland. Do you think they did that because they like guiness? Burger King moved to Canada, Meditronic also to Dublin, etc. GE spun off its transformer group and it went from Mass to Mexico.

>They will move to other countries
>So I have to continue sucking their dick instead of letting new corporation of entry level setup themselves
lmao. no wonder McDonald are like 70 years old

Times up tr*mpie

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All of these corporate welfare recipients could leave the country and no Americans would be worse off for it

Yea, it would. You based for knowing that sir.

Finland already tried it and it was a failure.

If one of those two faggots win that recession will be a depression. Get a fucking job and stop begging daddy gov for money you faggot

>failure
more like a wash
we tried it and it was good

Except the people who work for them, if you're headquartered overseas why would you still pay American salaries? They already moved manufacturing overseas, they have outsourced coding (though its shit) and customer service (also shit) if they move corporate overseas what's left? Retail, food service, farming and maintenance? That's being automated more and more.

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What do you work as?

Because there's a reason why people are poor, they deserve it. Social security is a scam.

>pay American workers close to nothing while slowly eliminating their jobs and receiving tax money and incentives out of their paychecks while paying nothing to them
>somehow it's a problem when these companies move HQ

come on, idiot, it's not like they're going to find a wealth of executives in another country and those who would have been employed here will just become bums

I'm not a socialist yuropoor beta male

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