NATO

Swedish support for NATO is only at 31%, lower than previous years.

no

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It's actually a pretty good question Weak countries always will bow to stronger, so why not choose a kind master, like murica?

but countries are willingly in it?
this isn't warsaw pact where countries were forced to join by russia

We will leave it but everyone under 2% must pay their debts

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LMAO, never

what a stupid fucking graph design
the more GDP% you pay the higher you should be

Just because it was consensual doesn't mean it's good.
Poland submit itself to the American yoke despite not actually bordering Russia.

>despite not actually bordering Russia.
chink education

ok, except for kaliningrad

and do you think Kaliningrad is empty?

Why does it exist in the first place?

Russia literally has no military equipment in Kaliningrad

Because Russia wanted a port on the Baltic that was less enclosed than St. Petersburg.
no, does it matter?

stalin wanted military bases close to western europe and in middle of the baltic
and is there anything that stops them from putting them there? it's their land

bet you Ukraine wishes they were in nato
after fall of communism just like after WWII nobody knew for sure if Russians aren't gonna chimp out and try something again

being in NATO was like a symbolic "we're finally free", these days NATO is deterent against russians chimping out

We're bringing this cursed alliance down with our next elections.

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jesus christ, crimea was just 5 years ago
why are europeans so stupid?

>Russia literally has no military equipment in Kaliningrad
What?

>Kaliningrad is the headquarters of the Russian Baltic Fleet, and also includes the Chernyakhovsk, Donskoye, and Kaliningrad Chkalovsk air bases.

They also have ballistic missiles there.

>Russia annexing crimea means Russia will annex all of Europe
Annexation isn't even uncommon for Europe anyway.

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>1.2
>The absolute fucking state of Kr*utoids

>do nothing but criticize and seethe over the US

>p-protect us USA

Absolute kek H*ns.

i don't have big enough brainlet to describe your post

Very soon I'd imagine. It's an anachronism.

good thing I have one for yours then

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>retard unironically think that 18th century europe is in any way good comparison to modern times
chink education everyone

t. Neville Chamberlain

>muh modern times
Borders WILL change. Ok, Francis Fukuyama?

We, Serbs, the first and the only white nation that said nato fuck off in 1999 and actually won against usa and 17 shithole minions, already showed that nato is a paper tiger.

>RUSSIA ANNEXING A PENINSULA THAT WAS HISTORICALLY PART OF RUSSIA AND DEMOCRATICALLY DECIDED TO JOIN RUSSIA MEANS THAT RUSSIA WANTS TO CONQUER ALL OF EUROPE
Japoid logic everyone.

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>Borders WILL change
maybe in your dreams chink
NATO was literally founded to stop that from happening
tards like you are the reason people want to be in NATO but keep wondering with your retarded logic
>hurr durr borders changed why you don't want them to change again?

>bro, like, only germans did annexation
>yeah... and anyone who does annexation are just like the Nazis
>always remember appeasement, brah
post-war schlock

>NATO was literally founded to stop that from happening
Then why is NATO changing so many borders?

Because its made to be a vehicle of US imperialist policy and power projection and has nothing to do with "hur muh peace project".

Oh they will. It's only natural for humanity. You don't just get have millennium upon millennium of human civilisation doing one thing and then have it cease forever.
Times will become interesting again.

>p-protect us USA
Who says that? Also
>tf
>tp

What the fuck are you talking about roach, you call losing like a fucking fifth of your country winning?

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>Then why is NATO changing so many borders?
in what way
>mfw

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Then why don’t you spend more on defense?

>noooooo daddy usa save me I can't stand up on my own two feet or annex territory

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>this land used to be our land
>therefore we have the right to annex it

>send in emigrants to neighboring countries
>"democratically decided" to be annexed

you're sounding like Chinks

They shoot down your "undetecable" aircraft with an old soviet SAM system if I remember correctly

do you honestly belive i will take opinion of a chink nationalist who hates NATO becasue it shits in his rice bowl seroiusly?

One whole plane and all it cost them was Kosovo, what a deal

>be part of Russia for centuries
>have majority Russian speaking population
>be arbitrarily handed over to Ukranian SSR by Khrushchev in 1954
>IT'S NOT RUSSIAN
Get fucked Jap

>in what way
Are you seriously so uninformed that you don't even know about the Kosovo war?

that F117 was shot down due to mutts geting sloppy and flying the same flight path for the sveral days

Serbs were waiting several days satring at the single point in the sky hoping they will get visual confirmation, if americans weren't retards and actually flew that plane on different flight paths then Serbs would shit themsevles from waiting before shooting it down

t. Jow Forums

Defence against whom? Danes? The Swiss? Fuck off. We should spend more on IT infrastructure and intelligence, not useless tanks and aircrafts.

last time i checked it was UN intervention, even Poland took part in it even tough we weren't in NATO

it wasn't NATO just stepping in
but then again, what do i expect from russian nationalist

>not useless tanks and aircrafts.
t. i have no idea how modern war works

please, don't talk about subjects you have no idea about

it doesn't matter if it was a part of Russia for centuries or not
you're not supposed to change the status quo by force, those are the international rules
that's why the entire world is imposing sanctions against Russia

>you're not supposed to change the status quo by force, those are the international rules
Unless you're a Western country, which can meddle in foreign elections, overthrow democratically-elected governments and invade countries whenever they want.
>that's why the entire world is imposing sanctions against Russia
No that's just the excuse. The West wants to crush Russia for daring to defy the neoliberal new world order.

>last time i checked it was UN intervention

>The NATO bombing campaign has remained controversial, as it did not gain the approval of the UN Security Council and because it caused at least 488 Yugoslav civilian deaths,[73] including substantial numbers of Kosovar refugees.[74][75]

You're a brainwashed retard. Opration Allied Force was not UN sanctioned and certainly not a UN intervention.

Germans know everything man. No use even arguimg.

>you're not supposed to change the status quo by force,
too bad

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okay there Ivan Ivanovich
go cry on some other forum about how those ebil nato pigs are responsible for everything bad happenign to great RO-SY-JA

>you're not supposed to change the status quo by force, those are the international rules
Good luck finding anyone who actually obeys those "rules".

don't cry then if NATO exist to stop those changes by also using force

>b-but you shouldn't change border
>N-NATO d-d-didn't do that!
>o-okay mayber they did but you're somehow a russian because I don't have a actual argument

Go crying you americanised disgrace to your people.

Tanks and aircrafts are useless because we won't fight in another war. Full stop. Modern Germans don't want to die for "their" country and that's a good thing. We can't afford to spend 2% of our GDP on funky scrap metal.

the most pathethic nationalist are russian immgrants, truly
>russia is great!
>which is why i moved out of it

When did they do that?
What did NATO do when Russia annexed Crimea?
What is NATO doing about the obviously russian backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine?
What is NATO doing about the war in Yemen?
Nothing. NATO doesn't exist to do shit except waste our money and let the US use our military infrastructure for free, like the free-loading scum they are.
We have to help them in their retarded pointless wars, but they conveniently don't have to do shit.

Can't stand those types, but I've never met a russian like that. I'm sure they exist, just like poles who do the same shit.
But most of the ones coming here are glad to have left, and usually Spätaussiedler anyway.

wow wait a sec, I'm not advocating any of those acts done by the Western countries either
I'm just telling you the facts, Russia invaded Crimea which is against international rules,
and they violate territorial waters and airspace
question is, why are (You) such a Russiaboo

NATO is really not that scary anymore.
It obvious that in case any real crisis between US and Russia everyone except UK, Poland and Baltics will bail out.

>why didn't NATO do something when non-NATO countries were attacked
I don't know Ivan, it's like NATO was formed to protect NATO members not every country in the world

>What did NATO do when Russia annexed Crimea?
Ukraine isn't in Nato
>What is NATO doing about the war in yemen
You mean the war between Iran and Saudi Arabia?

>The West wants to crush Russia for daring to defy the neoliberal new world order.
Drop the proxy Ivan.

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>it's like NATO was formed to protect NATO members
Weird how they 'had' to protect Albanians in Kosovo then.

Keep sucking off americas greasy cock

>question is, why are (You) such a Russiaboo
russian proxy
like i said it was international intervention but it seems you really like to rebarnd it as
>i-it was NATO!11!1!
pathethic Ivan
and they say we are butthurt lmao

>north Atlantic defence organization
>times it defended north Atlantic countries: 0
>times it defended anyone: 0
>times it attacked other countries:4

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>like i said it was international intervention
And you were proven to be wrong, since you couldn't be expected to know shit about history apparently.
It was not a international intervention. It was a NATO intervention on its own terms.

>Russia invaded Crimea which is against international rules
The region voted to become part of Russia. I thought the West was all for freedom and democracy? Or is it only when it suits their interests?
>question is, why are (You) such a Russiaboo
Well, first thing's first, I'm an avid Russophile. I enjoy and admire Russian culture and history. But secondly I am a communist and accelerationist and I believe that Russia and China are the key to defeating Western neoliberal world hegemony, which is the greatest obstacle to the spread of socialism. The Western neoliberal new world order must be destroyed, and Russia is one of the only countries capable of doing that. Also, I don't want Russia to become another cucked Western puppet state like it was under Yeltsin. Putin isn't perfect, but he's at least standing against NATO.
Drop the faggotry, faggot.

soviet union is dead and it's no coming back

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>But secondly I am a communist and accelerationist and I believe that Russia and China are the key to defeating Western neoliberal world hegemony, which is the greatest obstacle to the spread of socialism.
this is supposed to be serious thread user
stop shitposting

>I am a communist and accelerationist and I believe that Russia and China are the key to defeating Western neoliberal world hegemony
I'm slowly starting to realize communism is preferable to the current capitalist system enforced on us by the united states

prove him wrong. You can't

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Yep, I'm American and I'm pro-Russian. Get fucked you liberal faggot.
I am serious.
Good, because that's the correct way of thinking. Communism is historically inevitable, the coming technological revolution will bring it about.

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>prove him wrong. You can't
Russia was the one pushing their neo liberal world half a century ago.
Funny how you support russia for being """right"" when they are clearly getting more liberal.

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>Russia was the one pushing their neo liberal world half a century ago.
When was Russia neoliberal you fucking retard?
I'm not saying current Russia is entirely right, since it's a capitalist state ran by oligarchs. I'm saying that Russia is foiling Western imperialism. Since Russia has a strong base of support for communism, I believe that they will eventually return to it when the time is right.

Based useful idiot

Cringe neoliberal retard.

>"exterminate all homosexuals and fascism will vanish"
>Maxim Gorky

nato perhaps, but would you support us? i would support sweden as much as my own cunt if needed. no nato involved there only good neighbours.

I don't get the point of this image, it seems to show that the USSR was better for Ukraine but the post implies that muh Russia is bad.

background image is typcal vatnik propaganda with
>EU bad
>Russia good
as russian nationalists are eternaly buttlasted that nobody wants to do anything with them
the text in that image just describes their mindset
as one russian user on Jow Forums once said
>i love ukraine, but if they will ever leave us i'd kill them

>, but would you support us?
Absolutely, we already have a close relationship with the finnish army, we should do the same with norway.

How was Ukraine not better off with Russia in the USSR?