Why do people have a problem with bullfighting? Yeah, bulls die, but they would have died anyway on a factory line

So? Of course it would be more interesting if it was fairer, but bureaucrats would ban it.

So? Most animals are harmed in daily basis, like meat industry.

>Jesus
I'm an atheist.

>I'm an atheist.
Yeah, but in the wrong way.

that's some fucking dumb logic
>why are you mad that throwing food in the trash? it was gonna get bought in a store anyways
it's about having respect for and using the resources on this planet, not wasting and torturing for pleasure

OP's pic shows it's pretty fair

>Latino

cringe

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Sorry, mistyped

Meat industry in first world is supposed to respect animals by killing cattles with the most painless techniques avalaible and economically viable, it doesn't promote torture. Proof on that, everytime some pet protection NGO films animal abuse in slaughterhouse there is a shitsorm.

>I'm atheist
Nobody cares, your flag is a literal cross.

>want a fair fight? come over here and show me a fair fight then guiri

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>doesn't care about animals
finns really are asian

Its not wasting resources, if the bull is used. Plus, if the matador dies, that's one less human overpopulating the planet

the Noble Quran forbids cruelty to animals, so I oppose it.

>but they would have died anyway on a factory line

I wouldn't give a fuck if they didn't take millions of euros from the institutions to fund their abhorrent medieval spectacle

>Plus, if the matador dies, that's one less human overpopulating the planet
That's fucked up, bro.

>bull is used
used for what? what are you even talking about? there's also one less bull (less food) on the planet when it's drugged and tortured for pleasure
also see , it's actually a huge fucking waste

Meat industry does not really care. They only treat animals better in the surface.

>your flag is a literal cross
And your flag is supposed to represent France, not the caliphate its becoming

Why did elephant fighting never catch on? It should be much more fun to watch.

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Its based,alpha,masculine, a real sport for the Iberian man, anyne who is against it is a beta soy faggot

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Rodeo Clowns > Toreros

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No strong opinion, felt bad for the horse when there's the horseman vs bull part, people know what they get into when they sign up at least.
It's a bit harder to get elephants

Isn't it used for meat afterwards? I doubt they just throw it away. I'm not in favor of it btw, but his point is vaid, I think.

>NOOOOOOO, WHY WOULD YOU PROTECT MY CULTURAL HERITAGE!?

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Everytime there is a scandal related to cattle slaughtering and obvious torture towards animals, industry is impacted, of course they do care since marketing is highly damaged by such thing. At least in France, every advertising work signals that animals have been well treated during the process. My flag represents the french republic, secular, not france. Your flag is a literal cross.

Isn't it used for meat and other items?

>if the PR is hurt when there's a scandal that must mean the pr is true!

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I thought the meat was spoiled after because of the drugs and wounds, but I'm probably mistaken

So do the bullfighters. Everytime peta whines about it, they try to prove how well they treat bulls. Who knows, maybe they treat them even better than meat industry.

it's just about form, if they made butchering in a public place as a show it would be also strongly opposed
as long as people don't see ugly, they don't care

Also this:

You do know how much drugs meat industry shoves into animal food?

>NOOOOO BULLFIGHTING IS IMMORAL AND CRUEL

>*continues to eat burgers*
>*buys leather shoes*
>*eats chicken*

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one of the reasons I now say I'm probably mistaken

This desu, I also doubt there's that much place for bulls in the current meat and dairy industry.

There is a consensus though, darkie

I expected wit and rational thinking, I'm harvesting sneeky moves and bullshits. Have you ever watched corrida ? This isn't what one call a good treatment, and if you assume their whole life before acting as a big subject of entertainment and torture that they've been rised in beautiful prairies and grassy fields, you're obviously lackingof information on the matter.

A consensung among whom? Meat industry PR? Clueless normalfags hearsay?
>namecalling + blablabla
Don't (You) me again retard

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You're a subhuman and can't argue for shit, not (you)ing is a blessing

I need to confess I made the thread in annoyance from seeing circlejerking comments about it all over the internet, so I did not really prepare any arguments. This is more testing myself and my views, than trying to prove others wrong.

I don't think they drug them. In fact, generation after generation the most fierce bulls are selected for breeding. What's the point of bullfighting if the bull is half asleep? People go there because they like to see a human fighting a beast and the risks that it involves. If they were drugged up, then no bullfighter would be killed by them, but every year some die.

They die a more painful death but live a far better live. Fair deal i'd say.

I get it, I do the same, I don't give a shit of corrida even though I think it's barbaric.

why you post always toreros never picadors they've got aesthetic barding on horses

Spanish bvll vs Iberian bull.

yeah, this is one of the arguments used by pro bullfighting, they live 4-5 years roaming free the dehesa but suffer for 15 mins, as I said before, my issue is the 500 million euros they receive in subsidies

T. Catalan

meant to reply to

nope, and catalans have this anyway

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toro_embolado

they probably earn quite a bit from tickets tho

of course they do, they leech from the public institutions and then sell tickets as well, but they wouldn't survive by only selling tickets, maybe some plazas could, like in Madrid and Seville

Tbh, same except I find its aesthetics appealing and the circlejerk around abolishing it annoying. Sorry if I insulted your flag, frogbro.

But getting back to conversation, they mostly seem to be treated well based on other answers.

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Even if you aren't a Catalan, you act like one, trying to destroy our culture and tradition tearing up our country even more, hijo de cien mil gitanas callejeras.

yeah but those animals were born with the intent to be eaten

>our

i mean, they leech probably a lot less than they would if there were no tickets and overall quite a bit of tourists come there for it and will also buy food, hotel rooms etc it seems like an overall good deal to me but i understand what you mean, something is paid by all but only a few benefit from it
but tourism related activities also pay taxes so it comes back

Same for those bulls and male animals in general

>our

oh great, you are that incel freak that spams int with his mutt face

Wait what's a VPN again?, What is traveling?.

yup we do, and it tastes great

Ignore anything I say, call me an incel.

I think finnposters are the best and I really like mentioning finland, i often listen to mamme imagining myself in the finnish forests runing for tengri...
I don't know what being well treated means ? They're prisoned, okay they have food and all the needs but they don't have freedom and it's pre determined by their cattle condition. If it's for consumtion then alright, if the beast is put down with the least painful manner, but here the bull obviously suffers in the arena

absolument pas, je t'invite à assister à une corrida par toi-même pour t'en assurer

many tourists get ptsd after watching it live kek

install an emergency psicological support outside of those arenas with a juicy ticket, gotta take those chances goy

Actually after the fight the bull is sent to the butcher. Don't know why people cry. He gets killed and eaten either way.

Kill yourself

>They're prisoned
No, they roam free in dehesas and live with other bulls. The only thing is that they are separated from their family and they are marked and do things to their ears and horns. But in general, a bull for bullfighting lives a better live than one for meat consumption.

mmmmh, are you a genoese merchant?

Hahaha. Ok ""Italy"""bro

>killing something for food means it's okay to kill it for fun

just a capitalism believer :)
should also disguise them, if they are in plain sight someone might chicken out and not get it
just make the guards there know that there is and suggest it to ptsd tourists
i mean, those things have best effectiveness when done early :D waiting 10 years to pay 10x more to a shrink is obviously a bad deal :DDDDDD

Latinx

he cute owo

There aren't any fences around dehesas ?
And obviously there is a cost for these bulls. We both know that all fighting bulls aren't breed in such heaven conditions
Moreover you seem to get rid of the part where the bull is picked to death for several minutes. Cattle in slaughterouse might stress a lot during the process but they're killed quickly.

>dress in the most skintight, flamboyant clothing as possible
>so-chad.jpg

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idk, i mean im gay and i reckon they look pretty hot

yes

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>killing bulls for absolutely no fucking reason other than entertainment is okay
>killing dogs for its meat is barbaric
European logic 101

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FFS, europeans eat dogs too

*their

It's mainly the Swiss.

don't try convince them here, they see rare picture or video from rural guangxi and think that is how all the dog is prepared, like vegan who see video of cow and think all cow treated like it.

Eating dogs is wrong because a dog literally only exists in the first place because it evolved to be man's friend. The reason the dog you're killing is a dog and not a wolf, the reason it has dog organs, dog muscles, and a dog brain is because it evolved that way in order to be your friend. Killing a dog is intrinsically killing something meant to be your friend.

Living near swiss border, a grandma is swiss, i've never heard such thing before Jow Forums said so.

there are specific breed of the dog for meat that evolve to be food.

Still no less dog-like than any other dog. That you bred a specific type of dog doesn't take away the fact that it is a dog, and therefore a friend.

I would support it if they didnt cuck and hurt the bull previous the encounter and actually handle it full force. And when the bull fucking wins and fuck up a torero it gets killed so i think thats pretty beta. Theyre pretty aesthetic tho.

these dogs are not friend though. cat evolved to be friend, but some cat are not friend, e.g. lion or tiger.

It's the growing shqipte diaspora eating them, of course you didn't.

also, why you protest against eating the dog after we do humane murder on it, when in own country dog is in experiments? surely it is more cruel?

You dont grow dogs for meat cause they dont produce it too much even if you feed them, they also eat other meat which could lead them to have some unwanted heavymetals and other stuff. Cows and bulls other hand do produce meat, eat only vegan and is in general good meat to eat and it has to be killed to be eaten anyway so what is wrong killing it seremonically?

Dogs can't be bred for commercial sale. People have to bring their own dogs to the slaughter, which of course is a moral barrier.

>However, the change in dietary habits then led to a decline in the use of dog meat. Also, the provisions of the Regulation of the Federal Department of Home Affairs on food of animal origin ]...] prohibit the commercial use of dog meat. The extraction and consumption for personal use, however, are permitted, as long as there is no violation of animal welfare legislation. Furthermore, there are farmers in Appenzell, who do not want to do without the production of Mostbröckli from dog meat.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostbröckli#Verwendung_von_Hundefleisch