Why do Turks eat so much bread?

Einkorn and modern Wheat was cultivated as an agricultural product first in the hills of Konya.

see, 14,000 years ago, so 6,000 years before anatolia.
sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/oven-was-used-make-bread-thousands-years-agriculture

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This is a barley flat bread type product.

Modern wheat (einkorn) was invented in Turkey.

the ancients didn't eat wheat bread, they ate barley bread, white bread didn't become common in the balkans until the byzantine era

Uhhh FALSE

Dunno man, the title of the study says bread. It also use "bread-like" in the study some times.
>Archaeobotanical evidence reveals the origins of bread 14,400 years ago in northeastern Jordan
pnas.org/content/115/31/7925

I guess it's relative what's bread and what isnt, and what point something is considered bread. It's just semantics.

>white bread
It was a kind of full bodied “whole wheat” bread fermented by wild yeast. Not some milqtoast white sliced bread lmao.
Did you read it? It’s not bread as we would understand it. It was a mix of starches and roots and possibly some barley ... presumably a cooked semi wet lump of dough. Not exactly bread.

Something close to modern bread AS WELL AS agricultural products like cultivated wheat, barley, rye was grown first in Catalhoyuk region of Konya.

The Natufian stuff is based off of wild crops gathered and mashed together, not comprehensive agriculture.

In Catalhoyuk (oldest city like and oldest agriculture settlement), genetic tests have shown that all modern cultivars of wheat come from the hills surrounding the city where wheat was first DOMESTICATED. Also each home in Catalhoyuk has an oven and with plentiful evidence of cooked bread (rather than some cum stain of wet root vegetables mashed together on a rock as in the Natufian example).

I'm just reading it right now, yes I guess I agree.

>oldest city like and oldest agriculture settlement
Really? I tought both agriculture and concept of city were invented in the levant, before spreading there.

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Can you share your favourite couscous preparations pls?

>city like
Actually the oldest examples are all from Anatolia. Gobekli Tepe is sometimes considered “Mesopotamia” but it isn’t actually because it is in the mountain range foothills that mark the boundary between Middle East and Anatolia (it’s on the Anatolian side). It is north of the “Fertile Crescent”.

Gobekli Tepe is the oldest proper and it was built by hunter gatherers with organized human like sculpture and also religious institutions with megalith (complex division of labor). Catalhoyuk is the oldest with settled agriculture (considered the birthplace of domesticated cereal production and settled cities).

Some old out of date anthropology taught that cities emerged somewhere in marsh Mesopotamia but this is false.

Why learn from the student when you can learn from the master? The Turk.
lazycatkitchen.com/turkish-kisir-salad/

bc they live in the year 1300.
completely backwards and outdated society.

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>Turkish kisir

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The Neolithic Anatolians spread to the Levant and colonized the northern portions. Even ancient Egyptians are found to share considerable DNA with Anatolia.

The Natufian culture was hunter gatherer and there are no cities they left behind. Some hunting tools and cave dwellings.

Whereas we have comprehensive cities from Anatolians 14,000 years ago

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Bread is cheap and most poor brains run on carbohydrates. White bread, which is the most bought one, is sugary and addictive as well. There are people that eat things like pasta and fried potatoes with bread.

Bread is slave food

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>oldest ever human like art found in Gobekli Tepe

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Agreed.

Fish couscous is delicious, the one with merguez one too. You can find the recipe on google mapuche bro.

iirc it was 20% of the their DNA, on 3 samples, of realtively recent individuals (3k years old), it's hard to tell if it's related to the first waves of neolithic anatolians farmers spreading or more recent mixing.

The neolithic Anatolians were hunter gatherer too iirc before adopting agriculture.

lel, thanks

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thank you

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No it was a dead match. nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Hittite-Egyptian war was more like a brothers conflict.

Idk about other Swiss but I always ate couscous. It's good and easy to make

Looks like they had a bird people problem as well.

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They probably tought it was the levant because that's where civilization, agriculture, the first important urban center (jericho, عين ghazzal; eridu) were there.
Levant is just where ancient human history is concentrated, the other areas are neglected. I think the IVC deserve more attention too.

>Hittite-Egyptian war was more like a brothers conflict.
*ahem* it was the berbers mercenairies/soldiers of Ramses 2 that fought the most in those important battles, then size the power and took over Egypt after those events.

Also this
>considered oldest depiction of woman giving birth

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Those cities are all from much later than the early Neolithic-late Paleolithic.

They are pretty much thousands of years after the Anatolian cities.

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>Hittite-Egyptian war was more like a brothers conflict.
uh?

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Old and Middle Kingdom Egyptians mummies turn out to be Anatolian DNA.

Bread is the most important food in world history, based Turks

This shit is literally depicting aliums

I know about those anatolians settlements, I'm just not sure if the current academia consider them to be cities. I think it's a very strict what it's considered a city or not.
I also think anatolian domesticated the Aurochs first btw.

wut, they were 25% anatolian dna, and like 60% natufian-like.
Modern Egyptian have most likely more sub-saharan admixture than anatolian one to be fair.

This is also “pre pottery” and “pre metallurgy” btw.

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Well the so called “Neolithic farmers expansion” is the expansion of Anatolians with their technology of farming all across Europe, Middle East, and all the way to Egypt and through to Somalia (Haplo T-M184).

Gobekli Tepe and Catalhoyuk are 100% considered cities. Gobekli Tepe is not supposed to exist because it is a city before agriculture and before division of labor and built maintained by hunter gatherers yet it does exist. So the theory was shown to require alteration by the data, and it was updated.

Pretty much all other Balkanites eat that much bread as well.
Food without lunch is impossible to find anywhere, and unheard of. Do you guys not eat bread with everything or is it just for some special meals?

>Gobekli Tepe
I went there last year. I thought it was just a temple where people gathered from time to time rather than a city. It's on a hill (tepe), which may not have been very accessible at the time but idk

Yeah anatolian expanded farming across Europe (and populated Europe to this day) but it didnt start in Anatolia afaik.
from what I've heard neolithisation started in the levant first, but maybe I'm wrong.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Expansion_néolithique.png

I don't fully understand what you're saying, that Anatolian invented agriculture and spread it in the levant?

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Lunch without bread is impossible to find anywhere*
Messed that up

Bread is just calorie filler
Doesn't make sense to eat it unless you really love the taste or you're poor

Yes Anatolians invented agriculture. Natufians Levantines have harvested wild grains but they didn’t invent agriculture or domesticate grain
Bread game in US is very weak (except for new hipster bakeries). Moreover bread is magic which transforms inedible plant into energy rich carbs and protein (gluten).

Yeah but if you can afford it, just eat more meat/dairy

A piece of salmon is also rich in energy and protein while also being full of micronutrients

Pretty shocking to me, I always thought everyone ate bread with nearly everything
I guess man does learn something new every day

Of course but if you want to support millions of people you’ll need something like bread or rice or something.

And bread can be very nutritious and tasty. Like you don’t even know bro.

I know that the natufians didnt invent it, the first plant domestication started in the EPPNB period (10.5k years ago) but I'm reading those papers right now and none seems to supports the idea that it started from anatolians.

cell.com/trends/plant-science/fulltext/S1360-1385(17)30061-4

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Toast for breakfast. Sometimes toast for snack. That's it, unless I decide to have toasted cheese sandwiches for a meal, which isn't very often.

This recent one too

>The spread of the Neolithic from its area of origin in the Fertile Crescent into Europe, North Africa and Central Asia, vast regions with high ecological and geographical disparity, in a relatively short period of time (a little over two millennia) shows the expansive potential of this new way of life. This was possible because a robust and flexible socio-economic system was built during the four millennia in which the transition from hunter-gatherer to farming societies took place. Better knowledge of how the dynamic forces of the Neolithic developed in the Near East is a precondition for understanding the mechanisms and reasons of its successful expansion.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040618217301878

seems like it's worth a read.

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07352689.2010.502823
tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438243.2011.624747
research.ku.dk/search/?pure=en/publications/huntergatherer-plant-use-in-southwest-asia(42dd44f0-97aa-4df5-aec9-1b57dbdebccb)/export.html

cant really find any paper stating that agriculture started in anatolia. Didnt fully read them but just looking at conclusion/intro and alt+f nothing comint out.

Circled area IS Anatolia.

Your articles claim they are “part of Mesopotamia”. Which makes it sound like they are in Iraq or something which they aren’t. They are in the southeast Anatolian highlands.

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who wouldn’t want to eat bread? shit’s delicious

What do you mainly eat?

>like 20 ozs of bread every day
>1200 kcals
thats a lot of carbs

Well I could imagine that "bread" could be a fairly broad term in this case.
There are a lot of breads that are mixed and do not count as bakery sweets. Like bread with fruits in them.

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