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Who's former colonies are the most fucked up, the French or the British?

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The French by far

negroes are fucked up

This map really shows otherwise though

What does it show exactly?

Namibia is actually safe?

It's a global threat map, which determines conflict and danger, and our west, north, and east African former colonies appear to be a lot more fucked up, besides, everyone knows about the shit that's going on in Nigeria and Sudan.

>Zimbabwe is not red
bullshit

Orange is still pretty dangerous

But Mali, Niger, Chad, Central African Republic and Algeria were French.

Well in which case we're definitely not far behind, and Egypt, Sudan, South Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone were British

The French ones are all in civil wars and have barely any natural resources. To this day I have no idea what France was thinking a mass of deserts and landlocked nations would get them.

Here's some French demographics:

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Well tbf a good deal of ours are also in civil wars

there is no relation between the former colonial ruler and the state of a country in africa.

the only gradient is north/sub-saharan.

What is this map showing?

>what is Australia

ThisThe difference in the post colonial institutions is inexistant. They are all banana republics with a dictator as head who does what he want. It doesn't matter if one uses the common law or the French civil code. It's more due to regions, west Africa is really bad and Southern Africa is slightly better.

touch water and you're safe, except if the US wants to diddle you or you have Somalian national ideas

>t. Brainlet

clout

retard

until those dictators are removed, the corruption stopped, nothing will change sadly.

>Southern Africa is slightly better
for white***, not for the blacks

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the sahel region was mostly colonized by france
they are the worst ones

>Italy
>...
>Somalia
>Eritrea

Danger and conflict
An island nation full of coastal cities? Sure it has an outback but it's not landlocked, we also didn't colonize it for the same reason we did Africa

You are fucking stupid and delusional, france(and french companies) has your fucking country by the balls.

Ranking from Best to worst:

German
Dutch
French
British
Spanish
Portuguese
Belgian

Northern Somaliland was ours, you also forgot Libya

>what is the Namibian genocide

Euro colonization only improved Savage lands that's the sad fact there was nothing euros could do to impovrich Africa with non existent infastructure and organization

Literally nothing euros could do to destroy africa at all.

How is the relevant to how well-run Namibia is today? One of the reasons why Namibia actually achieved racial reconciliation is because white settlers and Black Namibians bonded over their shared struggle against the South African occupation.

lol, the only time France tried to pressure Algeria was when Boumediene nationalized the oil industry, France threatened to stop buying Algerian wine so Boumediene literally destroyed every inch of vineyards in the country as a fuck off move.
France has control over weak puppet states like mali/niger etc. as part of the françafrique but certainly not in Algeria.

when Iran tried to do what Boumediene did the westerners fucked up their country for the next 40 years.

also put American last. Italy didn't make the list sorry.

This shit is so arbitrary lol.

Jesus what the fuck are you talking about? Namibia has a ton of problems and whites benefitted from apartheid lol.

With a list like that I'd assume you were talking about our impact during colonialism, if you're referring to their current state and how fucked up they are then the only competitors are the French and the British, (maybe Belgium and Italy as well) if the map didn't already tell you that

Nigeria and Sudan were two of the colonies we had the least involvement with, plus all the green except senegal were ours

Nigeria was perhaps our biggest colony that we had the most involvement with yet they still have a fuck ton of problems as well

We had like maybe 2 colonies (we were pretty hands off with liberia) and one voted to leave us when it was arguably the strongest economically out of all of East Asia. It's not our fault if they turned out to be incompetent. Last I checked Japan, SK, Germany and Panama were the best in their regions despite our influence.

Current state obviously because that was the question of the OP.
>they are then the only competitors are the French and the British

Absolutely not most British colonies are garbage and some French colonies, those in North Africa but also even sub-Saharan countries like Gabon top the African HDI rankings.

US massacred and destroyed phillipines pretty hard

>Absolutely not most British colonies are garbage

Most brit ones beat their french counterpart.

Clearly you misread the OP, because I asked which were the most fucked up, and in terms of civil war, conflict, and danger, it is boiled down to the French and British, and both our colonies are mostly riddled with all those things, you also seem to have batted an eye to the map

>that we had the most involvement
you're wrong, when we took over nigeria, which was later than most our colonies, there was too many africans already on the coast so we wasnt able to tax them. Also most whites didnt bother with inland africa, empires were established to protect trade in most cases, the exploitations came second. So inland africa was never used for trade routes, nor did it have the populations in most cases, to support a new trade route meaning no one bothered with it.

>literally destroyed every inch of vineyards in the country as a fuck off move
Lmao very smart(and algerian) of him.
What about the french companies smartass ? the real players, not france itself.

dude gabon got 2 million people and rely heavily on oil, only reason why it's not an absolute poor country. Gabonese middle class is not seeing this money either.
ex-french colonies in black africa have like what, 200 millions people?

Looks like former British colonies have a better future at least. France has its "former" colonies by the balls.

>Safeswana

>literally destroyed every inch of vineyards in the country as a fuck off move
Now 97% of your exports are petrol and gas, and your country is falling down, don't you know that too ?

British West Africa are where are actual colonies are, the rest were protectorates and territory

>were the most fucked up,

Nope, check again the question was 'who are the most fucked up.' In case English is not your first language 'are' is the plural conjugation of the copula in the present tense.

I was saying that in ret respect, you don't need to lecture me on my native language because you're wrong here

Man, we're literally gonna see all white south africans erased in our lifetimes. hehehehheheheheh

>are
our*

>Iran tried to do what Boumediene did the westerners fucked up their country for the next 40 years.

Well they were trying to destroy something actually valuable.

What about them? It's fair trade benefiting both sides.
Elf affair was not in Algeria, diamond affair was not in Algeria, Bolloré affair is not in Algeria, there is no CFA francs, no military bases.

Do you even now about the current Bolloré affair? He literally elected 2 puppets president in Togo and Guinea youtube.com/watch?v=StUsJfigz1k

it's often the algerian state that fuck with french companies
algeriepart.com/2019/05/15/exclusif-la-banque-dalgerie-a-bloque-un-transfert-de-devises-de-73-millions-deuros-de-total/

Most of the procterates were turned to colonies or became defacto colonies. There were very few that were Brunei style procterates.

>97% of your exports are petrol and gas
93% in 2018.

>your country is falling down,
the non-oil industry got a 8% growth this year and same for next year.

Considering that they're getting richer and richer, not really, they'll always stay there. The whole genocide meme there is just a meme.

Iran is currently far, far, far worse than Algeria. Like worse than 90s civil war Algeria if you mean that iran is valuable.

>93% of algerias exports is petrol/gas

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I'd rather live in Iran then Algeria. Also 93% lol so impressive.

Yes and British West Africa were our main colonies

Sanctions destroyed iran to the ground, life is absolute hell there for iranian.
Honestly if it was nuked instead of sanctions, Iran would be better right now.

>93%
Ah yes, my bad.. it's only 93%
>the non-oil industry got a 8% growth this year and same for next year.
idk what growth because what i'm reading in a report indicates that it fell by 6.31%
Also your trade deficit amounted to $3.18 billion during the H1 of 2019 against $2.84 billion during the same period in 2018

>Ah yes, my bad.. it's only 93%
The point is that the non-oil exports are increasing to an interesting rate. Not like oil/gaz will be over in this century.


>Le taux de croissance du PIB, hors hydrocarbures, s'est amélioré pour atteindre 3,3% en 2018 contre 2,1% en 2017,
>l'activité des services marchands a connu une croissance réelle de l'ordre de 5,6% durant le 1er trimestre 2019, contre 3,6% à la même période en 2018
> secteur de l'Industrie qui a réalisé une croissance de 4,6%, contre 4,3%, de celui du BTPH y compris les services et travaux publics pétroliers qui a réalisé une croissance de près de 3%, contre 5,1% durant la même période de comparaison
>PIB: l'Algérie enregistre une croissance globale de 1,5% au 1er trimestre 2019
>L'économie algérienne a réalisé une croissance annuelle de 1,4% en 2018, contre 1,3% en 2017
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saying that "algeria is collapsing" is just silly.

No Utan is still functional and can actually generate good academics. Can't say the same for Algeria.

reuters.com/article/algeria-economy/algeria-h1-trade-deficit-up-on-lower-energy-earnings-idUSL8N2595DU
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The most surprising thing is that the Portuguese ones didn't end so bad, considering Africa's standards.

Algeria still have like 100 billions in reserve de change. It can handle many years at current oil prices.

Tunisian debt went from 40% of the GDP to 70% in recent years. 36% for the interior debt of Algeria

Algerian exterior debt is 1% of the gdp aps.dz/economie/85757-la-dette-exterieure-de-l-algerie-a-pres-de-1-8-milliard-de-dollars-en-juin-2018
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Also the iranian crisis will increase the price of the oil.
Algeria also have the magic shale gas option.

So you admit the exports fell rather than grew right ?
>Tunisia
I think you are seeing this as a competition, very small minded of you.

>very small minded of you
But i can't say i'm surprised honestly, you are algerian.

Not a competition, it was just a way to put things into perspective, with something you may be familiar with.
Yes export fell for every country that rely on oil, no shit it's a global event since like 2 years, but it's not destroying the Algerian economy
Yes a $70 barrel price is the minimum for Algeria, and ideally a $100 price would be really, really sweet, but a $55 is nothing catastrophic. Country can handle 5 more years whitout any scars.

>being this much of a sissy
so tunisian, typical.


Considering the volume of gas Algeria is exporting currently, Algeria can survive with that only for 300 years at current production/Reserve
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_recoverable_shale_gas

5 years, not 2 years btw
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>it's not destroying the Algerian economy
I only said it once, as an exaggeration. You are the one who mentioned it three or four times until now.
>5 more years whitout any scars
Only ? we are talking about about a country here. Every year counts and 5 is not much i think.
>so tunisian, typical.
As i said before.

If the oil price stays below $70 in 5 years, wich is unlikely considering current events, then yeah it will be a more difficult situation, they'll just have to cut down on the importation a bit.
Still good for the national industry, the importaiton lobby is just importing shit we can produce here anyway. Country is run like a mafia.

Also we're in the middle of a soft revolutions, things are looking pretty good.