Okay Bois,
Want to develop real skill instead of scrolling biz all day long. Think programming is good choice. But it seems boring AF. I don't want to program email servers or whatever bullshit.
What languages should I learn to do actual cool shit with a computer? Asking for a friend.
terrible decision
>thinking you're going to compete as dev with autists who have been coding since they were 13 and are actually interested in it, while you aren't
Have fun.
The languages don't really matter. Just pick something so that you start learning the fundamentals that can be applied across all languages. Pick a side project that sounds interesting and complete it (even with a shitty end result)
you are to late and not competent enough if you have to ask this question here, just give up.
Ranjeet started learning c++ at 13 on his own on the internet. No he didn't ask stupid questions like this. You really think you can compete with ranjeet?
you don't.
I never programmed in my life, only started doing it 3 years ago for fun while studying (STEM). I fell in love with it so much I quit uni and did nothing else while working retail.
After a year I got a job and still continued to code for 5 or 6 hours after work, every, single, day. Now I make 91k which is not that bad imo. If you are dedicated enough, just do it. You will have moments of insane frustration, that is ok. Just do it, and keep doing it untill you ahve a job.
Also, fuck C. Start with python / java (or C#). Watch some tutorial playlists online. Then learn HTML CSS and alittly bit of javascript. Then build something nice for you. Build an app that allows you to trade via a desktop application or whatever and shows you your average profit / loss / position size whatver. Learn how to do API calls to exchanges or something.
I have automated my trading which is a nice sideproject and brings in sime money on the side. Just don*t give up. And yes, you absolutely can compete with rajeet who started bulding his 9th angry birds clone at 13 following youtube with no idea what it actually does.
the thing is. programming is not like other fields. programming is what the most autistic people in society do. which means you will be competing for jobs with people that have been programming every day for hours on end since they were like 13 years old like said.
awesome post, thanks for the advice and encouragement. I, too, love development
you sound a lot like me and I wish I could bro it up with you IRL
Based. Anyone have good Python tutorial links?
user, you will do fine in this industry, because companies hire 99% droves of trash developers anyway, including Ranjeet from . Plenty of coding camp faggots are doing fine in tech.
Also, it won't be glamorous all the time - expect to be coding email servers and the like for at least one position, probably most. Typical MVC copy-paste coding is basically all the industry does. If you want the interesting stuff, look for R&D positions.
t. the autist coding since 13 from
*Ranjeet from
If you want my advice, start with this:
moocfi.github.io
I found this mooc when I came home, drunk, at 2 in the morning, and it was what got me hooked and into ptragramming.
Once you finish it, you will be able to understand intro tutorials into (most) other programming languages with ease. It also tests your code thoroughly and (kek) you can even get 20 ECTS for the unversity of Helsinki. This is my recommendation.
MVC copy paste you really hit something there I had to laugh, true. Imho the landscape is lightening up a bit, more and more job offers appear in the context of smart-factories, blockchain etc. Interesting times if you are into this kind of stuff. But programming is like medicine, you can specialize into SO MUCH stuff.. fucking best field there is
are you working in finland making that much?
No, (central / western) Europe. I know some Closure developers are asking for 1500€ per day with a contract lenght of at least 90 days in Belgum. If you are a GOOD developer (there are more then enough devs, but there are SO FEW GOOD ONES) you can make a lot of money.
One more thing, there are enough good devs, some are really good and you can earn a very good living what I meant was "great" devs. You will see what I mean once you meet them. There are some really gifted people out there, those are the "autists" some people above reffered to. but it is NOT YOUR FUCKING JOB to compete with them, unless you can. Just being a moderately good dev is more tehn enough to affort anything you want and life a happy live (if this is what you want).
nice, in Finland I think most devs make like 4k/month or something pathetic like that
I'm in the US and just want a simple job earning $60k in a low cost of living area. I wonder how viable this is with no degree or experience in the field yet. I do know how to code somewhat
- basics like objects, control flow, basic data structures, muh reverse linked list and so on, basic design patterns, searching and sorting, muh bubble sort
- can solve most basic coding challenges with python
i wonder how good i need to be to compete with pranjeet
Give me a means to contact you, I am alaways looking for likeminded people!
If you do email me, confirm your address here so nobody trolls me
You will need to be a lot better to compete, but it sounds like you have a bit of knowledge. Just throw in some web dev stuff, switch to javascript (node, angular,react etc. just some web dev stuff) and you should be able to land a job very fast.
You don't need to be that good to compete with Pranjeet. Pranjeet is different - his main goal is to be king of the complacent boring enterprise engineers - He strives to maximize career stability by doing what the superiors like to see, whereas the autist strives for intellectual challenge and science.
I never liked sites like this much personally, but I can recommend things like codefights to see how far you get. A decent way through the arcade campaign the questions can get fairly involved and more like Google Code competition questions, if that's your kind of thing.
Also
this - You can easily make 100K+ if you just job hop for a while and be good enough to pass interviews and do full stack development with any competency. You don't seem like you'd have a problem doing the actual work. I make 110K as a senior full stack engineer (doing more R&D now though which is good) while I code personal projects in my downtime.
thanks!
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I love to hang in trees ^^
This
thanks!
What is your definition of a "good" developer, and how do you tell them apart from mediocre unemployable ones?
go ask
This is a very tricky one and very dependable on the position. If you want to fill a junior role, look for someone who is (obviously) very bright and VERY curious. Potential >> all. Everyone can write some while loops and copy/paste from SO. The good devs are people who do it with "passion", often lazy people who can't do tedious tasks and MUST automate them etc. There are many pitfalls coming with this as well (those people love to prematurely optimise everything etc. just my observation). You just know hm
Basically you pass the interview, including both interview questions which are like puzzles/quizzes, and the social aspect where at minimum you have to prove experience verbally. That's how companies determine employability. Try talking about some buzzword framework that the interviewers themselves know about and use, and bro out about its niche caveats.
Don't be discouraged bros.
I'm on sololearn and mere JS, CSS, HTML rocketed me into top10% of my country.
What I see is
> few autists post nice codes and get zero likes
> roastie's hello world has +250
> Top 100 is 98% male
> roasties give up midway through the first course and go back to instagram and shopping.
> pajeets and mahmoods outright copy tasks such as making your blog or image gallery etc. and present it as their own. Their code has elementary flaws.
I assume it mirrors the tech world.
Where should I specialise in a math degree?
thinking of going for comp.sci but bioinformatics seems cool
python
kotlin
swift
javascript
Anything else and there's a 100% chance you'll never put anything into production as a solo developer. Python for anything backend, javascript+react for any frontend. Kotlin for android dev, swift for ios dev.
Source: I make an extra and somewhat passive 1000 usd/mo. making shitty apps
If you're doing a math degree, it will be hard to use it in the work force later UNLESS you combine it with computer science - THEN you become very lucrative and valuable. Learn R and python for machine learning and the like - you'll use it in research positions.
There's a lot of money in bioinformatics right now and it has a lot of overlap with comp sci/chem.
is kind of true too except that you'll have very little chance of getting into AI/ML without at least a grad degree. Just having a b.sc. from an australian univeristy definitely won't cut it.
killer advice, thanks
>bioinformatics seems cool
It's a meme like gene technology, don't fall for it. Realistically you'll start working at a sperm bank or something other ractually practical in your field. Doing new stuff there takes years and is expensive as fuck, it's a nightmare.
You're much better off with computer science, writing code is cheap and easy - you can tell quite fast whether a project makes sense or not.
I wish Jow Forums had more threads about apps
Is app development played out?
Seems easier to code a fun app than to read boring ass crypto white papers what gives. user should be allowed to talk about his creation without violating Jow Forums shilling policies
How would you breakdown your app income on android / iOS ?
Learn python and command line linux. It's enough to do almost anything. Then learn how to do penetration testing. It's the manliest sounding of all tech careers and the profit model of giving command line tools for free to independent researchers keeps you relevant to everyone who can't be fucked to pay for the licensed GUI versions. Once you're comfortable programming, you can do manual testing and auditing for bank.
>Is app development played out?
Not at all. Everything is pointing to a massive boom in the mobile app industry.
venturebeat.com
This is just a random article but you'll find a ton like it. It's also from 2016 and the industry has grown just as predicted. Just the mobile gaming industry is already bigger than Hollywood.
Dumb casual games have made me the most money. The trick is to abstract your code really well so you can make your next app twice as fast. I don't put all my time and effort into one app or make any apps too complex. When you're starting out you need to measure your progress in apps made and not number of users or money earned.
Comp sci cuck reporting in. Went through 4 years of uni high as balls the whole time and couldn’t program for shit by the the end of it.
Trying to pick up golang now but not really liking it...might switch to python. My original plan was to make my own shitcoin to shill during the next bubble, but I’m not sure if it will be worth it in the end.
>I have automated my trading
What is your trading strategy?