WTF is wrong with European educations?

The lists are Chinese retard, please don’t try to pass of a nation of dirty wops as intelligent the fucking greater Boston area has more intelligence than every med country combined

Meds are stupid and after spending a few hours on this board you should know this.

a lot of stuff mate , a lot of stuff

>This article is more than 4 years old
Fucking Japs

Are Italians this delusional? I heard the rumors, but come on

>Duncan McDonnell, a senior lecturer at Griffith University in Brisbane, Australia, who taught undergraduates at the University of Turin for several years and was subsequently based at the European University Institute in Florence, argues that the way the Italian system works often has the unfortunate consequence of students not learning "any significant writing skills" during most of their time at university.

>"One particular Italian problem which I found regarding literacy is this: most exams in Italian universities are still oral exams," he said. "Students get very little experience of writing during their undergraduate years until, right at the end, they are asked to produce a long dissertation. It is absolutely crazy: they have no preparation for doing so."

this is true and the title is clickbait, the fact that Italian uni students are not great writers is because our system is like that, doesn't mean uni is easy, I've studied abroad and always passed exams with the highest scores because they're so piss easy.

Yeah everything would change in 4years. Fuck off mate.

quit lying
I think I read some italian user saying that you don't fail in italian university, you just sort get stalled and you take exams whenever you feel like or someshit like that.
Basically it's impossible to go to uni and not gradutate unless you actually decide to leave

every single italian that studies both in italian and anglu inversity tell this, it can't be a lie. Basically anglo bachelor= italian high school

Should I enroll in Italy, Bois? Sounds easy.

I stand by my rankings. They are what We regard to be the superior institutions of higher learning in the World.

>Basically it's impossible to go to uni and not gradutate unless you actually decide to leave
You have to take all the exams to graduate. So in theory you could take one exam per year and graduate in 15 years or so

>Basically it's impossible to go to uni and not gradutate unless you actually decide to leave

that is true but exams are hard and a lot of people end up leaving anyway, what kind of brainlet argument is that? besides, we have hard tests for entry in most faculties.

>I've studied abroad

Lmao studying abroad is a meme. It’s just for hookups and cultural exchanges. You don’t suppose to study.

europoor cope

lol do it then tell us

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study in Sweden, it's much easier.

>You don’t suppose to study.
maybe you should study more dear monkey, how come Japs can't speak english for shit, is it because tour unis are so good? I swear I've never read a Jap post that made the tiniest but of sense.

Yeah average anglos might be dumber than average middle school Japanese( In my experience they are). But come on, your graduates can’t be dumber than our high school leavers.

who would think italians are stupid? this is a new concept

I studied in Stanford for a semester and it wasn't that difficult
For example American universities give you a lot of extra credits for stuff like homework, essays, participation and stuff. So for the final exam of that course if you've been a decent student an 80% of your grade is already decided
Many Italian courses have an oral exam, meaning that the professor will ask you 4-5 question at the final exam and that's 100% of your grade. Which means that if you fail 1-2 of those questions you basically already wasted a couple of months of study and you may have to retake the entire thing

I must say I prefer the American system, it forces you to study bit by bit and do research; I wouldn't call it more difficult though

Italians talking about speaking English, LOL. Your kinds cannot even speak your native language according to this survey.

Literally none of that happens at Stanford and a semester isn’t enough to gauge actual difficulty especially in undergrad

hm.. I am looking into accelerated/fast track programs to double major in Italy. I don't need it for work, I just want to be further educated. So I thought about law for one of them, what makes it difficult? How much work is it really? I may have to reconsider.

learn English, it's embarrassing.

Southern Italians bring the average down by A LOT.

That's bull shit, retard.

source?

we study books that are 3 times bigger than yours for the same subject . You dont even have books to studt tbqh, you just follow what the teacher say, like in middle school

>cannot even speak your native language
why do europoors always fall for retarded shit like this? all of u retarded or baka?

>Literally none of that happens at Stanford
Well that's how it went in my experience
>semester isn’t enough to gauge actual difficulty especially in undergrad
Probably, but that's what I've seen

>theguardian.com
Nice try, almost fell for it

you probabily will have to take half the exams. italian universities don't recognize easily froeign credits. I saw a grill who had a degree in medicine in poland who wanted her title to be recognized here, had to take again about 10- 15 exams

Better than Italian graduates who cannot speak their native language properly let alone English. I bet you might be bit smarter than average Italian graduates but certainly dumber than our high school students.

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>PISA
high school

that's the only standardized test though

cringe most top grades in northern unis are southern students, polentoni are too lazy and enjoy papis money

I don't think the trend is going to magically change when in university

stanford (and many other universities at that level) is unironically known for grad inflation. something like UCBerkeley is more difficult

2012 regional pisa scores and this is including the multitudes of nafri/andalusians.

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Law is one of the hardest degrees anywhere

And your Italian law degree will be useless if you don't stay in Italy, since korea has entirely different law system anyways which will function differently

>cringe most top grades in northern unis are southern students
Source?

>literacy test
absolute meme of a metric, why would you need an engineer or surgeon to speak like a fruity poet?
as long a they are trained in their job that's a completely useless measurement.
besides, the fact that Japs can speak good Japanese but absolute shit English is worse imo

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>HS

besides I'm just telling you that unis is harder here, not that it actualy can teach you better

Yeah it's possible. I was also an international student so maybe they were easy on me
Still I found it much easier than what I have to do in Italy, and my average there was much higher. Definitely a nice experience though

invalsi.it/invalsi/ri/improving_education/Papers/contini/102.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwivw7qZ66XkAhWGHRQKHci0DZ4QFjABegQIBxAH&usg=AOvVaw3vzfizkeeQu2zv0enXFNV0 (based niggers and sandniggers)

tpi.it/2019/07/10/risultati-invalsi-2019/amp/ (based terroni)

this user is correct, unless there's some specific programme to graduate in international law

doesn't prove anything about unis

>I presume
k

>middle school

>BRO OUR BOOKS ARE BIGGER LMAO CHECKMATE

Absolutely seething lmao

noice argument tho

>Japs can speak good Japanese but absolute shit English is worse imo

Marginally better than Italians who speak dogshit Italians and absolute shit English

>why would you need an engineer or surgeon to speak like a fruity poet?

Yeah you trust your doctors and engineers who don’t even have high school reading comprehensions and possess very low verbal intelligence.

> 5 year old article
> graduates "on average"
Read the methodology. They're comparing social "science" students to gaokao drones. I have studied in Spain (BSc) and Germany (MSc), and the subjects we had and their difficulty were similar. They should compare STEM to STEM and social science to social science, not draw "an average". If you test the skills of good-for-nothing zoomers who "study" art history or Slavic philology, of course you're going to find out they're worthless. Their "university studies" should not even be considered.

>Invalsi tests show a huge gap in middle school
>PISA tests show a huge gap in high school
>magically universities are going to not have a gap at all, or have a gap in the opposite sense
Pure delusion

>Marginally better than Italians
LMAO

>who don’t even have high school reading comprehensions
where is this written? also how the fuck is this relevant? stop projecting takeshi

You know this article is bullshit when China is interested in italian universities.
news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d414f3051544e33457a6333566d54/index.html

Do you have any way to prove that the trend isn't there, despite all the available data saying the opposite?

>singled out by the OECD
Oh my god HAHAHAHAHA
That means that even with Turkey, Chile, and Mexico in the group, Italian and Spanish students are worse

because it's common for terronis to perform surgery on the wrong limbs :3

I know, I'm law student in Lithuania
With my degree I can work only in Lithuania, Eu courts ( since we learn quite a bit of eu laws) and maybe Germany, since our systems are pretty similar, if I would get equalizing studies in there (few extra years). But it's probably gonna change soon, since our parliament is considering introducing juries and making precedents more important, thus making us weird continental/anglo saxon law mix country

Why are terroni so subhuman?

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>university = scuola dell'obbligo
>university in the south doesn't have entry tests
>university in the south has easier exams for some reason
based retard

so far there is zero data saying southern university produce less skilled graduates.

Nah I have no plan to practice law. Too much paperwork and stress. If that were the case I have family lawyer alumni connections to universities in America. It's mostly for the challenge of it, especially in another language. But I could choose something else. I'm wondering actually if Italian universities have fast track programs? I want to get a masters in a couple years without a bachelor's degree. Anything like that?

Btw Korean universities are even worse, like useless basically, outside of Korea, even the "top 3" here

>writing? nah, i cant use hand gestures in that

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I've read that Italian professors have a much older median age than in other countries and some unis are controlled by nepotistic unions.

>so far there is zero data saying southern university produce less skilled graduates.
Because there are no tests for graduates
But we know that southern middle school produce less skilled high schoolers and that southern high school produce less skilled diplomates, which suggests a trend

But why would you study Italian law then? It will have no benefit for you and your expertise will never help you in your life, except impressing some girls in the bar (and still, most probably they won't give a shit). And I'm not even talking about practising it.

italians have higher IQ, they are being dragged by terroni, also japs are insect people

It said on the article that the basic skill such as literacy. Can you read?, shitskins. This is the reading comprehension of a highly “educated” Italian graduate. SAD!!!

>based retard
All of those apply to both the north and the south, at all levels of the educational ladder, and still there's a huge gap

it doesn't, it just means less people will go to uni, not that the ones who do will be less skilled.

law degree is 5 years and there's no fast track thing as far as I know, not even sure if you're memeing or are talking about some specilized master

why is puglia so superior?

this happens here too

Fuck off Texas.

perfect literacy is completely irrelevant for most jobs.
it doesn't say anything about the actual training of graduates in their fields, seethe more.

s-sorry about that

Not necessarily, the standards may just be lower
Southern students are also helped by their abnormally high grades at the end of high school, which also suggests a huge gap between actual skills and grading standards

>Can’t even read.
They compare Italy and Spain with Japan and the Netherlands. These two countries are singled out because they are in Europe, that is supposed to be more developed than other parts of the world. It’s like when there is a shooting or a murder in Europe vs Africa. It always makes the news in Europe because it’s very uncommon.

>Trento 10%
>Bolzano 17%
OH NONONO

>assumptions
got you

>perfect literacy is completely irrelevant for most jobs

Yeah might be in those third world countries such as Italy. Horrifying!!!! In countries like Netherlands and Japan it is expected.

>OECD
See , Northern Italy scores way better than the OECD average

Here it is also focused on oral exams.
They've been taking steps to increase the amount of writing on my university this year.

The last one is a fact. Grades in Southern Italy are higher while all standardized tests show a significantly worse level of general education

Dutch is a piss easy language that everybody can learn.
Jap students are basically slaves who end up killing themselves at 30 because they haven't lived a day in their life because they have been forced on the books all their lives. but that literacy tho

cope.

ETH in Zurich is better than any nip school

doesn't correlate with how skilled uni students will be after uni at all, it's just assumptions.