Did you know that Sparta is still the most conservative city in Greece?
isn't ancient sparta communism?
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Is this the state of Japanese education or is it Davido-kun there?
He's obviously talking about modert Sparto.
It's just really cool how deep the roots of social views can go (obviously most likely because of a heritable or genetic basis)
it was a hybrid between a monarchy and an oligarchy
Dat Sparta was destroyed long ago
The current """Sparta""" is nothing to do with the ancient one
Not at all
how?
Spartans died you dumbass. The reason why people in that city have a Conservative worldview is because the city was viewed as Ultra-Conservative for millennia and the people there just conformed to that idea
Yea I'm sure most of them probably died or moved away, but that doesn't mean the current inhabitants of the city do not have much more Spartan blood in them by capita though you fucking idiot.
>(current people) there just conformed to that idea
How can you prove that? Is there some causal relationship I cannot see but that you can?
per capita*
The city was fucking sacked and burned to the ground. The "Spartans" who lived there were all sold to slavery
Your worldview isn't written in your genes, it's acquired by life experiences. People who live in that city and that region as a whole are taught in school about the famous conservatism of the city, and the people living there just conform to that city's culture. I am sure that the city you live in has something unique about it as well, and the people there all magically conform to that specific piece of culture
Many cities have been sacked, have all of them lost its whole population? Also when did this happen? You next say that worldview is acquired by life experiences. Are you saying that the modern spartans are still spartans just not genetically?
>Many cities have been sacked, have all of them lost its whole population?
Sparta is that kind of city which would fight to the last man and you know it
>Also when did this happen?
4th century, Visigoths
>You next say that worldview is acquired by life experiences.
Yes, it is
>Are you saying that the modern spartans are still spartans just not genetically?
No, what I am saying that after the city was rebuilt, there is one type of person who would move to Sparta disproportionately. Learning about the history of Sparta would also make the kids feel like they need to be more conservative to honour it's former inhabitants
I understand your point very well, and that is likely to bring wannabe spartans into the city, however I think you truly underestimate just how little the environment can change people compared to genes, but I guess experts can pick and choose which one they wish was more important in building people into what they are. After all a dog born in a stable is not a horse.
Also regarding the Spartans themselves they might not have been as hardcore as the myths (all that there is left about them really no?) say.
Brainlet pseudoscience
>dog born in a stable is not a horse.
That dog would try to act as a horse, which it of course could not do convincingly because it's a fucking dog trying to act as a horse
>you truly underestimate just how little the environment can change people compared to genes
Your genes can make you more empathetic, but they can't make you be pro-life and they can't make you go to church
>Also regarding the Spartans themselves they might not have been as hardcore as the myths (all that there is left about them really no?) say.
The stories about them were quite reliable I would say, but they probably weren't as hardcore after they were conquered by the Romans
Does it make you feel uncomfortable or something?
Sparta today is full of gypsies
But Spartan women had more freedoms than women in other parts of Ancient Greece
my ancestors :)
Species and subspecies are vague things, dogs and wolves are very different from one another, although they can interbreed. They're considered different species. You can try and raise a wolf to be a dog but it's less likely to work that's all.
>Your genes can make you more empathetic...
Well empathetic is a broad thing, maybe people are empathetic in different ways to different degrees, so some kinds of empathy are likely to manifest themselves in an anti-abortion stance. In the same way that stance could be due to an innate desire (based on hormones and thus genes+environment) to go along with their peers or to trust their peers' judgement or whatever.
Now here's the thing. You can say it's all about...
>It's about how dey be raised!
until it's about
>Well of course they will rebel against their parents teachings!
So yea, no...
>dogs and wolves are very different from one another
Yeah, but Spartans and Greeks weren't dogs and wolves
>In the same way that stance could be due to an innate desire (based on hormones and thus genes+environment) to go along with their peers or to trust their peers' judgement or whatever.
Are you trying to say that Individualism is genetic? Because if that's so then you are autistic, individualism is very much a cultural phenomenon that has nothing to do with genes
>>It's about how dey be raised!
It's not about how their parents raise them, it's about their environment as a whole
>>Well of course they will rebel against their parents teachings!
Some do and some don't, it doesn't mean that rebelling is in their genes, it means that they grew up in an environment which made them rebel
Do you think that Irish-Americans are Irish? Just because his bloodline is PURE IRISH DO NOT QUESTION doesn't mean he is Irish, he is just some random American who grew up with Americans and is trying to LARP as an Irishman because he want's to feel unique
Literally slavery
Imagine an entire city LARPing as something they aren't.
YIKES DAWG
More like land owning oligarch military elite ruling over slaves working their lands (Ilots) plus Perieci being a sort of quasi middle class between the two
ITT cultureless mutts and slavs laughing at irremovable warriors
kind of based to be honest
>Yeah, but Spartans and Greeks weren't dogs and wolves
Doesn't matter, that's a non-argument
>Are you trying to say that Individualism is genetic? Because if that's so then you are autistic, individualism is very much a cultural phenomenon that has nothing to do with genes
Why wouldn't individualism as a cultural philosophy not be a product of a population that due to its heritable traits values privacy and autonomy over co-operation and peer pressure?
>It's not about how their parents raise them, it's about their environment as a whole
Are you unable to read between the lines? Who's autistic here?
>Some do and some don't, it doesn't mean that rebelling is in their genes, it means that they grew up in an environment which made them rebel
The point in using those two exxamples as opposites was that you hear people say that, well because their peers are like that then so are they, but then when you have other people in the same peers, who by your logic would have to be like their peers because of common culture and environment, suddenly go against it? Why is that? Why would this culture fight against itself? That's absolutely retarded, it's contradictory.
Sure you can say that there will be outliers but then the question becomes why do these outliers appear?
Sure you can lead this all back a million years and deny that heritability has a role to play in this but you are fighting against nature, and that's a fight you cannot win.
>Do you think that Irish-Americans are Irish? Just because his bloodline is PURE IRISH DO NOT QUESTION doesn't mean he is Irish, he is just some random American who grew up with Americans and is trying to LARP as an Irishman because he want's to feel unique
I'm not trying to define things that cannot be defined, nobody can define the true Scotsman, but that does NOT MATTER. It's a practical classification of people that's subjective and probably dynamic.
cont...
Just because there is no independent Kurdistan does not mean there are no Kurds. Even if no one recognized the existence of the Kurdish ethnicity, if there were no forms to fill, no boxes to check, that still does not mean that the people disappear. They would still continue to organize and collectively advocate for a homeland for their people, however THEY (in this case) define themselves.
Sadly the only thing you inherited of them is gay sex.
Spartans weren't gay.
no, they were cucks
Wrong image LMAO