I feel for the programmer meme.
>spent 10+ weeks and $10k+ at coding bootcamp
>I can deploy a website in 3 languages
>2 months after graduating with no interviews
>no response from any job I apply to
>only people who reach out to me are Indians with out of state senior positions
>I have a linkedin with thousands of connections, a portfolio, 3 projects, and professional resume.
How do I get a job?
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building a website is a meme. that shit is outsourced. learn to build things that matter, integrations with sensors, payroll, tax forms. that shit is confidential and they cant outsource to india.
i heard they looking for programmers at mcdonalds user
Fuck a job find work.
If you can make a website you can stay busy 40 hrs a week no problem.
Why would u want to make someone else money?
How?
How?
If you are a dev and you cannot find work, you are not looking. If I walked up to three people on the street, all three of them would tell me their company is actively trying to find dev talent.
how do you learn shit? idk, teach yourself? learn .net framework - C# especially. learn databasing - postgres/mssql. learn hacking - protection against sql injection attacks.
from there either
>hack a local company
>go to job fairs and show off your sex robot
Because creating a successful business that earns enough to make a living is a lot more difficult than getting a job.
Indeed.com faggot
I know django, spring, and node.
lol
you are not a programmer if you just can code websits, the fuck are you thinkin about
You haven't even tried sucking the hiring managers cock yet? user...
node.js is useful. highlight that. but you need other skills. any app/website/anything worthashit needs to talk to a database. sql administrators pays a fuckton. programmers that can design a relational database is aloso key.
basically, you only have half of the skills you need currently to make it. better than most, but you gottsa escape the pajeet-tier work.
React JS. Get good at front end frameworks and I’m sure you’ll find someone to give you $100,000.
Could be worse... This could have been your major in college
No its not. Literally put up your own website advertising services. Spend a little on Google a words / fb ads, put out a Craigslist post. Ull get calls from work within a few weeks tops
>only people who reach out to me are Indians with out of state senior positions
Take them. You might just have to move to find work.
Go through the phonebook and call any local business you can't find a website for. Offer to build them a site. If they say no, say you'll build it for free and if they don't see their volumes increase in a month it's no charge. Then you can sell them shit like SEO for a recurring fee.
Don't get too lost in the details before you even try. It isn't hard, I used to do this in hvac. Found all my customers online. If you're not working right now, what does it matter if you don't make as much as you'd like to? It's more than zero.
This. React is used a lot by start ups.
Do you know git?
You're obviously not a good programmer I constantly get head hunted for 100k+ jobs
You have this issue because you didn't listen to Nina
Link portfolio
>You're obviously not a good programmer I constantly get head hunted for 100k+ jobs
obviously, this nigga has 10 weeks experience and thinks he can get a good job lol. You need at least 2-3 years to be decent. 5-10 years to be real good. OP is not a programmer yet, that's why he can't get a job.
nobody wants junior devs though. that's OPs issue. I get it, junior devs know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to really be all that useful. get better OP
Get a fucking internship.
Be humble.
t. senior dev
>the absolute state of webcucks hahaha
being a god-tier C++ master with 350k salary remote job, feelsgoodman
Apply for QA jobs, QA automation/SDET if you can. far less competition than Dev, and assuming you do well you can migrate to dev later. Bank I consult at hired a ton of QA automation guys from bootcamps, and they're prob making a respectable 60k
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you're fucked, it's not your fault though. try freelancing for small shops to build experience.
listen to yourself user - you have to learn all this increasingly complex crazy shit just so you can make 60-70k a year. is it really worth it?
you can make that much in just about any field, even being some spreadsheet bitch that writes emails all day
dont fall for the hype
if you want to do front end learn react and redux immediately. in demand, lightweight, and way less boilerplate than angular. if you want to do more than web apps, learn some OO language (java, c++, c#, etc.). learn python and r if you find data science and ML interesting. well just learn python anyway so useful and also in demand.
As someone studying mechanical engineering with one year to go, fucking this.
The amount of skills and knowledge we have to attain just to be a middle-class wage slave just isn't worth it unless you have a passion for this bullshit.
I regret going to university.
>he thinks he's a programmer now because he learned html in some code monkey scam bootcamp
>the echos of the wagecuck mind
both true
it's effectively communism in a way - Marx was right about capitalism leading to communism. that's not to say I'm a communist or I *want* communism.
but your specialized labor has now become as valuable as someone who writes emails or serves drinks at a bar
everyones labor becomes more or less valued at the same range of pay. this will be even more true in the next couple decades thanks to automation
STEMCONECTTTTTTTTTT
Yfw most Computer Engineering majors just end up with the same jobs as CS majors despite CE being more rigorous.
Lol, my thoughts exactly. Definitely not worth it. My degree was free though because I'm a eurocuck so at least I don't have any debt, just wasted time and effort.
t. fell for the CS degree meme
I love these guys. You know most CS courses take 3 to 5 years right? You cant just fucking do a 2 month whatever the fuck and then expect to be at the same level lmao wtf are you even on about
Yeah but a lot of that is fucking around with shit like binary trees and other esoteric shit that only academics care about.
Computer science is not just computer programming.
>you can make that much in just about any field, even being some spreadsheet bitch that writes emails all day
how can I write emails and spreadsheets for 70k?
Lots of engineers, science majors and math majors go into programming though
yup, now visualize the excess blue for the non-cs grads and tack it onto the comp sci bar graph.
all of a sudden the situation gets even bleaker.
get yourself a meme business/accounting degree
get a few years experience - become a business analyst, just go to meetings all day, be a socialite, and write emails like a faggot then act like you're hot shit
CS is worthless and a hard working, intelligent, white bootcamp type guy can run circles around you insufferable homos
I am an accountant for a Fortune 500. I spend about 3 hours in the morning responding to emails and editing spreadsheets. The rest of my day is useless meetings or playing on my phone. I clear 6 figures in the midwest. I was drunk 75% of the time getting my Bachelors and even the "prestigious" MBA program (my company paid for) was super easy.
nice, I wonder if I should get into accounting
you realize that a pajeet can do everything you do and probably at the same level of quality (since you did a fucking 10 week bootcamp instead of getting a degree) for 50 dollars right
why the fuck would i hire you
Funny thing I encountered if you let a pajeet run your local IT managment he will only ever hire other pajeets never a white male
So you don't have to live in New India you shortsighted boomer
You learned django, spring, and node in 10 weeks? Nice larp faggot.
PS: you thinking that node is a framework like spring and django proves larp. If you actually knew spring/django/express you would have 0 problems getting work.
>spent 10+ weeks and $10k+ at coding bootcamp
Retard you could've saved yourself $10k and learned online from cocecademy and all the other free learning resources
Take this as a life-saving advice and swallow the “red-pill”. Software is a dead-end career unless you are extroverted. It’s a technical area as opposed to functional. Learn a lot, earn a lot - within first 3–5 years - in order to improve your financial situation and invest aggressively (stocks and cryptos). If you have introverted tendencies, you have three options - gain charters in functional areas (finance / supply-chain) or move into techno-functional areas in enterprise systems (SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials / FactSet etc.) or find an “exit strategy”. In fact, I would aggressively suggest get a “secondary” career planned for contingency. As far as startups are concerned, don’t. Do your own non-tech side-business with a focus on cash-flow staying away from stressful, over-valued (hard to value a private company with a bleeding-bottom-line funded by easy-VC-money during a period of chronically-low interest-rate) , over-hyped and saturated commodity tech startups. Startups are overrated in software unless you have strong network/leadership/deal-making capabilities. Moreover startups were originally designed to work on tough-problems like decentralised governance (crypto) or novel drug delivery system (biotech), for example. Just don’t end up being a glorified engineer masqueraded as CTO in a “commodity” tech startup where founders are privileged with MBA without much operational-experience/engineering. Life is too short to stuck in those kind of startups. BTW, stop being influenced by media-induced brainwash about Zuckerberg or Gates. You have no idea (unless you read history objectively) how privileged they were and how much important role it played in their success. Coding talent were not so much.
So in summary: earn as much money in first 5 years, invest aggressively, get a side business going (pref non-tech) to teach yourself business skills including marketing and sales, get a secondary hobby/career going, try to gain charters in functional areas (finance-CFA etc) and plan an exit-strategy. Watch out for Automation and ML. Don’t ruin your life being fascinated by “good code”/“awesome architecture”/“beautiful asynchronous patterns”/”fantastic AWS toolset”. They eventually do not matter to business (what matters is competitive advantage and ROE; if you are into stocks, would highly recommend this amazing book to deep-dive on sustainable competitive advantage - The Little Book That Builds Wealth: The Knockout Formula for Finding Great Investments: Pat Dorsey) and to your precious life. Thank me later !!
Don't get into accounting unless you can secure some Govt Acc jobs. Public accounting is horrible. Use accounting for valuation stuff in stocks. Get a CFA. It's hard but go get it.
>How do I get a job?
Create one.
nigger what, i got100k a year job after 6 months self teaching coding, i am a minority though
only 100k? unless you're in the middle of nowhere you got scammed
Go into the store, demand to speak with the manager, look him in the eye and give him a firm blowjob
What is that assumption based on? Main difference is you take the money from the client directly instead of your boss taking it and handing you a penny wagie. Just dont be an autist and learn to sell yourself
how, where
I have a CS degree and you don't need a CS degree to be a good programmer. Everything in a STEM course can be taught. You just need a degree to bypass naive HR people.
every week I get a new job offer on linkedin and I have a master in CS
Webdevs are programmers like McDonald employees are chef
Wrong.
>codeacademy
my sides
You wish
Nah most likely a spreadsheet bitch will be making 40k while the stem “cuck” is making 80+. Few years later, 120+ while spreadsheet bitch is making even less due to inflation and worried about getting laid off
>Not learning PHP, LAMP, Java etc from internet while being 15 years old
>Not doing CS education networking with other autists
>Not getting sidejob offers during 1 or 2nd year
>Not getting hired to said job directly after
>Not getting 3-5 LinkedIn messages every week after you have 2 y experience
Yea you failed
yeah, if everyone needs a masters to get an entry level job the market is fucked.
you're a website monkey not a programmer
programmers don't need a $10k+ bootcamp to learn how to do one thing.
programmers know how to understand something they never seen before quicker than anyone and automate that shit
website in 3 laguages lol
like HTML, PHP and JS ?
what about CSS ?
>website in 1 language
oh wait, you meant urdu, punjabi and hindi ?
CE major here
Agreed fully and want to re-emphasize that CS degrees are piss easy compared to CE degrees
let's not pretend that any of those are very difficult to learn here
I mean, it's not 10 weeks easy but it's not something you need to spend 4 years on a degree to understand how to use
>programmers know how to understand something they never seen before quicker than anyone and automate that shit
fuck yeah goldfarming
(OP)
Unless you can be given a problem by people with zero programming knowledge, and design a solution that gets the job done while also being relatively (emphasis on relatively) efficient, you are NOT anywhere near hireable
Which boot camp and what kind?
t. did the HTML/CSS cert on freeCodeCamp, doing the JS one now and will then move on to a full stack boot camp
ps. 32 y/o Chicagoan with a BA in English
don't bother
go learn javascript, learn npm + node + react. that's a solid stack that probably won't go out of style any time soon. and by learning it yourself, you'll be preparing yourself for a career where every task involves some self learning
your 95 iq higher ups will throw a problem at you, give you zero direction and just expect you to solve it within a certain period of time. it's an expectation upon you to be able to learn fast and self sufficiently
Good tips.
I think I may learn those independently and then still do a full stack boot camp as a solid review, kick ass there and take full advantage of the job placement/networking opportunities. That’s the major draw for me with the boot camps, and there are some solid ones in Chicago.
>programmer meme
>coding bootcamp
>deploy a website
You're just a fucking retard who doesn't know what programming is. You're not a programmer. You're a fucking code monkey. Fuck off.
All you faggots are saying Cs is dead now then wtf should us zoomers major in?
Don't listen to these cucks. From someone with experience in the Industry...
All of those things are websites now.
Web development is the ONLY development.
Need a payroll system? It's a node/Django/Go backend with an angular/vue/react front end.
Same for 99% of other things.
The days of making a piece of software that needs to be installed and runs on a system are long dead.
The only difference between a code monkey and a programmer is that the programmer decides what he wants to code.
You dont know what the fuck you're talking about either.
Genuine question: why aren't you fags piling into crypto? Do you really prefer making webapps for shitty startups?
And what is your crypto used for exactly without the developers to build out your Eth ecosystem?
Mate learn to read. Fuck sake.
Any prior CS knowledge before you started boot camping? I'm 32 too and looking to get involved for multiple reasons
>self proclaimed programmer
>webdev
Every goddamn time. Any 12 yr old could pick up web development. Webdevs are a dime a dozen. Now, if you got into systems or embedded systems programming you would have much better job security and pay. Much more effort to learn, especially compared to what amounts to a few hours of tutorials worth of knowledge on youtube.
An actual CS program that doesn't coddle you and forces you to tackle difficult problems at low levels so that you understand the foundations of the field.
Lmao. Absolutely savage post
Hey anons, I will graduate with my Bachelor in Business next summer. Do you think a financial Master's degree will be a good continuation?
Eurocuck btw
Freelance on Upwork
Lol such a slave, education =/= money no more
As someone in the corporate world, where security is tantamount this is objectively false. Many integral systems are still self hosted and self secured. Its almost backwards actually. Desktop versions of these webapps are being made due to company security policy limitations.
agree with it literally doesnt help anymore. if it's required for the job, yeah do it. if it's not or if it's "preferred", then dont. experience is the main factor nowadays, in addition to relevant certifications.
pic probably related, waking up on a saturday to this nonsense. how early is too early to drink
bumping for interest
I'm self taught after a couple of years of grinding, I make $80k as a senior dev at a small company.
1. Focus on problem solving skills.
2. Look for smaller companies with business problems you can solve. These companies don't care what tech you know, they're looking for someone to listen to them and solve their problems.
3. Don't be an autist. To make good money, you have to be providing value. Sitting in a dark room by yourself and coding doesn't provide value. A lot of days, I solve business problems by making suggestions that don't involve any code.
4. Code is about business is about customers. I'm a mediocre programmer but I make more money than anyone else in my office because I'm not a shithead. I can walk into the CEO's office any time I want and shoot the breeze, my co-workers prefer to be in their own world.
You don't arbitrarily get to decide what programming is. Like it or not, there is a lot of web development that involves actual fucking programming - you know, writing instructions for the computer in fucking code. Yeah, there are varying degrees of difficulty and spinning up a wordpress install is not the same as programming but you sound like a pedantic, elitist faggot.
Solving business problems is not what matters, not what technology you use.