You're kunt

Unnecessary. There's no need for whataboutism.

Laestedians have few good beliefs but otherwise they're a bloody plague

>laestadian church
those people are pretty extreme and often dont even drink alcohol despite jesus drinking wine in the bible

>whataboutism

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>any ism
Why don't you just be christian?

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It can be an option if you're looking to spend time with like minded people or even for dating. They wouldn't have been considered extreme back in 1690.

You could instead have made the argument that when Nordic Protestant merged with the native religion of northern europe we got to keep cultural traditions that are over 2000 years old like Midsummer which is a pretty rare phenomenon.

Imagine how worse off we would be if we turned into protestants: people willingly electing communists into power, importing 3rd world immigrants to """fix""" (((native))) births".

Protestants doomed us all by brainwashing people into thinking money=good

>any ism
>Christianism

No, faggot i wanted to contradict him. Fuck pagan bullshit

>>Christianism

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I think that's more capitalism

USA
Because Im Roman Catholic of course

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Catholic by birth
Atheist by choice as soon as I could leave the church

>people willingly electing communists into power,
You did this, none of the nordic kumts did this,

and into accepting millions of Jews fleeing the Catholic inquisitions.
I don't get why protestants think Luther was "based anti-semite" when all he did was writting fanfiction locked in his room of him being mean to Jews, when Catholics were actually out in the streets doing it.

Because all this fascism and socialism here in the 20th century have thoroughly cleansed this part of the country of religion. Kinda ironic that the birthplace of protestantism is now overwhelmingly unreligious. Or maybe we're just the spearhead of ideological evolution.

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Sure, when did you schedule your next washing cycle? At least you get to kind of choose that.

soon enough it will be religious again, just a different sand religion must fill the power vacuum

Doesn't feel like a vacuum to me. We just substitute religion with politics.

I'm catholic but I don't go sundays
I'm a student but I don't attend class
I'm an animal but I skip meals
I've got lungs but I smoke

I dont follow any denomination
I just see my self as christian and will go to any church as long as it is not a cult like mormonism

Look up 'the protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism'

>Kinda ironic that the birthplace of protestantism is now overwhelmingly unreligious.
Happened everywhere protestantism takes root.
Protestantism destroys native culture as islam tries to destroy anything that "keeps you distracted from god". People get disconnected from their nation, their people, a culture lost, reduced to silly things. They then desperately try to take it back, but all they are left with is neopaganism and wiccanism and reconstructivism. Sad.

>swedish protestants
Do I need to post *that* image of your Bishop?

Super super Atheist but also perrenial philosophy reader so I guess I am ok with proties (Swedenborg and Kierkegaard and Calvin in particular).

What if the church tells you that the pope is some other faggot is literally God and you have to take it up the ass and atheists go to heaven too?
Would you believe that or will you go with the word of God?

Religion doesn't tie nations together, and if it does your nation is piss weak to begin with.

The state church is dead. Luckily there are many other options.

and why is money=bad? are clothes bad too? do you just want to everyone to be self sufficient or something?

No, but protestantism destroys what keeps nations together.
Why do you think it's protestant and atheist countries that are filled with foreign migrants? Saying stupid shit like "Sweden has no culture" and getting away with it.

I just read a paper about this. Apparently it was Muslims who invented capitalism, since Muhammad was a merchant they were super into trade and laissez fare markets.

Because they are rich? Migrants want to go to rich countries.

Capitalism is just rebranded feudalism.

Fuck protestants like seriously what a meme religion, even mormons might be better

their wants are only granted by greed

Do catholics think it's okay to literally pay money to have your sins forgiven though? seriously?

Actually it was quite radical. Muslim thinkers were saying in the 9th century that profit= good and that there was an invisible “hand of god” which kept prices in “optimal perfection”.... meanwhile scholastics hater profit taking and making money... but some of the Europeans studied these Arab texts... notably Fibonacci who studied in Algiers.

I'm Catholic.

Isn’t it utilitarian in a sense? A “donation” to the church outweighs the sin, and in the present moment the good deed is infinitely valuable? Something like this .

Feels great being a Catholic

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My problems with the Catholic church and Catholics who defend it:

>huge, widespread pedophilia problem
>purchase yourself out of sin with material means instead of relying on sincere, genuine regret

otherwise I think catholicism is decent

Migrants aren't the ones with the power here to force anyone to accept them. You need a willing government to do it, open the borders and force natives to have new neighbours. Plenty of poor countries with migrant problems, plenty of rich countries with no migrant problems.

mass migration is great for (((the economy))), it lowers standards of living and pay, people talking about "jobs we don't want to do" instead of "jobs we are not paid enough to do". (((The economy))) benefits greatly, especially of the people living in closed condominiums and mansions, meanwhile the common native folk gets run over by trucks, rape epidemics, stabbed, doused in acid, etc. The price to pay for a "rich country" that just means "(((some people))) got richer".

religion is for gay homos :DD

>Noooo you cant just skip unecessary traditions
>NOOOOOO WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? YOU CANT JUST PRINT THE BIBLE IN THE NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE SO THEY UNDERSTAND, GODS LANGUAGE IS LAAAAATIIIIIN!!!!
>ARE YOU INSAAAAANE? THE POPE HAS A DIRECT CONNECTION TO GOD YOU CANT JUST CALL HIM OUT ON HIS BULLSHIT!!!!

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Tbqh afaik all churches have this problem with abuse except for new nondenominational churches. You can find examples of protties doing it too. The extent to which it is institutionalized is possibly unprecedented however.

I think any catholic hates the pedophile shit too, it is hard as a normal church goer to really change that whole system though

>Saying stupid shit like "Sweden has no culture" and getting away with it
This statement isn't false

I’m just saying that protties are richer, and richer countries are destinations for migrants.

The argument that migrants are needed for continued economic growth is an economically valid one. Perhaps the reason protties are richer is because they believe economically valid arguments.

The real problem of pedophilia is neither huge nor widespread. You're more likely to be abused by a teacher in a public school than a catholic priest.
The real problem of pedophilia in the catholic church is overrepresented in the media that is run by Jews and headquartered in protestant countries. Remind me, how do Jews and protestants feel about Catholics?

>purchase yourself out of sin with material means instead of relying on sincere, genuine regret
It's not a real thing. Why so many protestatns think this is a real thing just serves to show how biased and brainwashed protestants are by their cultist leaders and Jewish media.

I'd like to larp as an Orthodox desu, but I am not autistic enough

Perhaps, but nowhere else will you find such a large religious organization willing to defend and offer protection for their own convicted pedophile priests.

>muh Jews
Need I remind you that true protestantism is inherently anti-semitic while catholicism is not?

The whole muystery nonsense only works because orthodox countries are third world illiterate societies with folk magic cultures.

Thinking economic growth is a priority over the wellbeing of natives is not a valid way of thinking.

I guess you believe a few people getting raped and ran over by trucks are good sacrifices for your Economy god.

inch'Allah

The problem is that Catholics trust these random strangers with unsupervised total access to their children. The LARP is taken too seriously, which is the problem with Catholics in a nutshell. That guy isn’t your father. He’s a man, and he is removed from the consequences of his actions thanks to a church hierarchy. Not the best figure to trust with your little children.

>true protestantism is inherently anti-semitic while catholicism is not
see:

Luther was right by the way. The Catholic Church is not a cult of Jesus, it's a cult of itself. The Catholic Church didn't want people to understand the holy text to retain its power, the Catholic Church made the word of the Pope law instead of the word of Christ, the Catholic Church made itself the forgiver of sins instead of Christ, and of course you had to pay them to forgive you. And not an awful lot has changed since. It's still a money gathering scheme with possibly the biggest hubris on this planet.

Christianity is Christianity. There's no Catholic or Protestant. However, most Catholics are definitely not Christians.

Even the Protestant countries with few immigrants are rich. Not to mention we were all very rich before mass-immigration, where as you have been poor for a long time. Even Swedish media is now open with the fact that mass-immigration has not had a net benefit for our economy, so claiming that protestant countries are rich because of immigration is ridiculous.

You’ve almost got it. The well being of the natives is the motivation for valuing economic growth. Continual growth at a certain rate is needed to keep income high enough so that natives can retire and society is still functioning to give them a comfortable life.

Ill just always go with the bible but i respect the authority of the pope and patriachs and such. Traditions are just traditions so if i have to take the holy communion with normal bread or with the tastless boring bread it does not matter. Faith in the lord is the only thing needed for me.

>trust these random strangers with unsupervised total access to their children
Isn't this what people are doing in with schooling?
As I said, you're more likely to be sexually abused in a school than at the hands of a catholic priest. Not wanting to say there's not a problem of pedophilia inside the catholic church, but claiming somehow catholic church is a fertile ground for pedophiles is false.

Eh, the trouble is that Christianity is based on a kind of magical culture which stretches plausible belief to its furthest extent, that’s where “faith” comes in. You need to believe the bread is the flesh of a dead god man or its insincere. And that’s an absurd think to believe.

>but claiming somehow catholic church is a fertile ground for pedophiles is false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

You do know that the bible was translated into various languages before Luther? Going so far back into the 4th century?
Christ called also called us to honour tradition, and gave Saint Peter and his sucessors the keys to heaven.
>[Mt 16:15 [Jesus is speaking to his disciples]. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? [16] And Simon Peter answered and said unto him, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in Heaven.
[18] And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven,
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.
[20] Then charged he the disciples that they should tell no man that he was the Christ.
Sure because the true church of Christ was established in 16th century Germany by Dukes, and not in the 1st century in Jerusalem.
Are you valling the Church of Saint Peter, the Martyrs and Church fathers of the Council false?
Funny considering we were a Church 1600 years before your King made one up, funny how you also accept all the Ecumenical councils we and the Orthodox held even though we arent Christian lmao.
And how you use the book we finally compiled.

>In October 2018, Italian victim rights group Rete l'Abuso released a statement asserting that the Italian justice system has treated about 300 cases of predator priests and nuns and netted 150-170 convictions since the year 2000.[149][150]
That's in Italy alone. The article also contains 30 other countries where similar but worse events have taken place. I can't believe that this Portugese is so keen on defending his church that he willingly also defends pedophiles. This is why I believe Holy War against catholics was always justified. 30 Years War was a good thing.

>protestant countries are rich because of immigration is ridiculous.
I agree. Countries can be rich without taking in immigrants.

Yeah, I do get it perfectly, I just don't think rape gangs, terrorist attacks, beheadigns and losing entire cities (and your capital) to foreigners isn't a price to pay for my retirement, even though I do have a griller.

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There is abuse that happens at schools too but teachers don’t have the same powerful hierarchy backing them. If they abuse someone they will be caught and prosecuted, not shuffled around to a different diocese. Also schools don’t provide too much opportunity for unsupervised one on one time, there’s usually someone else there of both genders, and a teacher while respected isn’t a figure that students view with divinely inspired authority so that’s important because teachers are questioned/interrogated by our skeptical minds all the time while priests are supposed to be believed/obeyed with total devotion.

Maybe that’s why Portugal is a poor country and Germany is a rich country. Because Germans analyze the cost benefit of a state policy and decide what to do on that basis.

You completely ignored the fact that we were all very rich before mass-immigration too. Mass immigration has made us poorer.

Yes, pedophilia exists in all circles and organisations, I'm sure pointing out the fact that number of pedophiles is lower in the catholic church than in other organisations that actively deal with children disproves my point.

>funny how you also accept all the Ecumenical councils we and the Orthodox held even though we arent Christian lmao
That was all Orthodox

>The Catholic Church is not a cult of Jesus, it's a cult of itself.
Honestly, I gotta admit that the catholic blundered under contradictions and seems to even approach paganism, i.e. worshipping of saints etc. But it seems really clear that the best medium of cultural conservation is catholicism. Protestantism is inherently condemned in a sort of evolutive continuum, it must evolve with the time and thencefore change from the original teachings (catholics as well but in a lesser extent). Population mixs are more common among protestants than catholics for instance, and usury is still a very bad thing for the catholic church. Remember, I talk about the medium of cultural conservation, not the religion itself, because let's be honest : there are billions of different types of christianism, this is another debate, but you won't find two identical believers even though they're from the same church. Interpretation of Christ's teachings is wide.

There is a tradition of it in catholic culture. It is a thing. As for why it is a thing. I don’t know exactly.

>Sure because the true church of Christ was established in 16th century Germany by Dukes, and not in the 1st century in Jerusalem.
Are you valling the Church of Saint Peter, the Martyrs and Church fathers of the Council false?
Since Jesus didn't found a church, none of the churches revolving around him get to claim the title to the one real church.

Tbqh the intercession of saints business isn’t quite paganism and I think the counter reformation doubling down on this practice has a good argument. It is all borne out of the same iconophile argument that orrbodox relies on too, that the object of devotion is still supposed to be the trinitarian god-man, but the Saint is a kind of aide.

No, Germany was rich before taking in migrants.

I didn't mean to pass that idea. Sweden was rich before taking in migrants.

I agree, there's a problem with the protection of pedophiles inside the catholic church. Thank God it's being dealt with now.
And our priests aren't believed/obeyed with total devotion and they do get questioned a lot.
You should speak to catholic priest about his life before making it up.

>traditions are just traditions
It's not that simple, the church existed before the bible, most churches in the early centuries didn't even have a complete bible, and the bible wasn't fully canonized until a few hundred years after Jesus. These "traditions" are actually the beliefs of the early church we can derive from writings of the church fathers, some of whom who wrote around the period where the later books of the New Testament itself was still being written. Among those beliefs is a universal respect and reverence for the bread and wine, in fact the earliest extant writing we have besides the new testament itself is the Didache, a book of church order and liturgy describing things like the blessing of the bread and wine, ordination of bishops, etc. All recording how the church worked around and even before the year 100AD, from the same community of people that produced books of the bible. I strongly suggest you read it to see how the earliest Christians viewed these things you disregard as just tired old rituals.

Do what it says in the bible then, unlike catholics

I know Germany was rich before taking in migrants. Maybe Germany is rich because it adopts Policy which is backed by sound economic argument. Right now that policy happens to be pro migrant. So Germany admits migrants. That’s how it goes rich and that’s how it stays rich.

Meanwhile Portugal only got rich from plundering colonies and got poor as soon as it lost this plunder. It is an extractive society that cannot manage to produce wealth by itself.

Pedophilia is as a tradition in catholic church as it is in society at large. Predators actively seek organisations and activities that gets them closer to their victims. Pedophiles become teachers, rapists become femenist allies. This is why it is a thing.

Ahahahahhahaha.
So do tell when was the Seat of Peter established?
Are you saying that the Patriarch of Constantinople had jurisdiction over France, Italy, Germany, all of western Europe and not the Bishop of Rome? Ahahahahha. A Protestant has no clue of church history as usual.
He literally did, which is why there was a Council in 50 AD, and one in ~99 AD.
If he did not establish one, surely his Apostles would not have held those.
Its the same church that compiled the bible and held the Ecumenical councils, that you Protestants accept. Ehich then split in 1054.
>[18] And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
>[19] I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven,
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.

It really isn’t. The church seems to be built around it tbqh. I mean it’s crazy. It’s not just an aberration. Have you looked into this? It’s goes to the top.

Funny how you cite a book we compiled, all our teachings come from the Bible.
Unlike you Heretics with fag marriage and female priests

They consider the church to be a reflection of the society it serves. So they allow female priests because otherwise there would be less engagement.

You get it wrong, Portugal decided to become the migrant; a sound economic policy, backed by sound economic arguments. Worked wonders up until we either had to shake hands witht the Jewish states of America or the commies. We total madmen decided we wouldn't do any of these things, and for it we get no terrorist attacks. Ever.

A church that bows down to societies whim which is ever changing is a church that will fall. Why dont they get that?

It really isn't. Trust me. I've looked into this, all the way to the top.