No religion

>>waaahh I need to live in an totalitarian ultraconservative theocracy where my voice has no value and my actions are always determined by someone else, to have purpose and meaning in life!!!!!
>Oh fuck I really despise you self-hating incel firstoids. Go join ISIS or a Neonazi group if you hate your "modern consumerist society" so much.

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>B-but muh meaningless struggle for money and status

We all know you're miserable too. Don't pretend you're better

Whats your relation to religion bros? please share.

I used to be an atheist but after my father died I started having another aproach to religion, since I realized that egoism was bad for me and for my family and happiness lies in doing good to others. So in the process of helping my mom through mourning I became more and more aware of others and that made me a better person, so I don't hate myself anymore.

im an agnostic alhamdulillah

reading religious texts made me feel stupid to believe these fairy tales

Never been a thing in my life so I'm unaffected

You don't need religion for that at all

Go to Latin America, and become Catholic.

Agnostics are better than agh*sts by loads
Why don't you join quranism , I heared its big in turkey ?

>reading religious texts made me feel stupid to believe these fairy tales

you do know their language is symbolic and not literal, don't you?

I know, but religious texts happen to be full of wisdom for our day to day problems, I find them really inspiring. And I to this day I have found no secular source with a strong and profound a message as religious texts. You're welcome to prove me wrong though

surely you are something.

i used to be quranist, until i read the quran

nope. quran claims to be "obvious" so you cant say that "its symbolic"

used to be an atheist beta. after that i started to explore my blood. my father is kurdish my mother is dutch. i see that dutch people are losers and weird and weak. i go to turkey alot and see that my kurdish uncles are real men and my aunts are not whores or coalburners. I dont mind trading in my luxuries "which i dont care for" for freedom, indepence and morals. I believe in a god, not the christian god or islamic allah. i believe in a god, and i wear the sword of ali for cultural reasons.

There are tons of books on morals without religion, on combatting nihilism without religion etc.

I guess if you use religion for inspiration it's fine

Meanwhile you live in a country created by "betas" while your homeland is a shithole because of "manly" men like your low IQ family

as i said. i dont mind living without the luxuries of the west. I love nature. and i understand if i would live there that i would not have a high paying job. But im definitely working on moving out of here, maybe canada. Has to be a country i can move to easily

Oh. Never read the Quran, tried briefly once but didn't really struck with me, it did seem kinda weird. Plus the fact that Muhammad was a warlord seemed weird to me. Maybe you should try the Bible sometime :^) or the Gita.

Cite some of your liking. I'm curious.

What's the sword of ali and whats its meaning?

And again you go to a massively leftist country full of "cucks"

Shitskins aren't human

quran is more 100x more logical than quran so imagine to situation of Bible

No because I don't need a books to yell me how to be a good person

>religion
>no community
>no purpose
>culture is consumerist shit
>poor
>violent
>country going down the drain
you have easy Ahmed

Poor people love consumer culture. What do you think motivates American ghetto trash?

My parents never cared to brainwash me into the local religion (catholicism) even though they were raised on it. I am glad they didn't.
Eventually I would grow curious and after scouring many sacred texts I found a religion that makes sense, and isn't an obvious scam/racket for political power.

If a person argues that his religion is the true one because
>I was raised on it so it must be true
>It's what my parents believed
>If you don't believe it you must be [insert boogeyman]
>It's been around for a long time
>It's part of my culture
>This important person with authority said it's true
then just realize you're talking with a person with no brain, an NPC. Don't even bother.
If something is true then it is true regardless of your personal relationship and feelings about it and whether that idea is comfortable to you or not.

not if you live outside of the city my friend.
they told me that it was his favourite sword and then got executed with his same sword.

Bor du nära en kyrka? Vill du lära dig mer om kristendomen så kan du gå på deras bibelläsningar, mycket bättre än att bara läsa bibeln upp och ned favä

looks like this

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>GUYS I SUFFER IN SWEDEN I SWEAR!!!
Retarded firsties need to be sent to eritrea or congo

>We need to restore traditional values, placing the family at the center of society's attention again.
>ALSO BUSINESS NEEDS TO COME FIRST EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORKING ALL THE TIME AND YOUR COMPANY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LAY YOU OFF FOR ANY REASON! THE GIG ECONOMY IS GOOD! WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE ON DEBT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE JOB TRAINING. FUCK THE BIRTHRATE, MAKE YOUR BOSS SOME MONEY!

Morality isn't possible without God.

yes you sound like an outstanding individual with superior morals, as shown by your comments here and here Religions are only attempts to describe the divine phenomena, i. e. those related to the development of the spirit. If you pay attention all religions share the same belief, with the differences coming from the cultural outlines each religion has, derived from the culture that birthed it. But the objective reality they all try to describe (God) is the same. As a matter of fact a text needn't be "religious" to describe that reality, as correctly pointed out. Still, I can't see any secular sources coming anywhere as close to the Bible, or the Gita, or the buddhist teachings, in being accurate, albeit symbolic, descriptions.

Do Americans really say this?

If you need a book to tell you that maybe killing kafirs, stealing shit or fucking a minor is bad then you're mentally ill

The Quran says it is clear that is with an honest reading it can be understood. That doesn't mean the whole thing is literal.

Eritrea and Congo are already being sent to them.

Morals are inborn, its not something that you can change, thats how the jail system works, it realizes that the only way to make someone change is showing him that getting things the "bad" way will be harder, you can only change the means, not the end

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No shit, that's why I said it

>Whats your relation to religion
I wish i could kill religious retards

Mentally ill is largely a social construct excluding obvious stuff like schizophrenia (and even that is debateable). If I do want to kill people steal or rape there is no normative natural law which makes it bad. Only an ethereal law written by an ethereal being could make it bad.

Same but also
>not even a race because literal 56% half black/white mutt
I genuinely just want everything to go to shit

Yes but that makes morals inherently subjective and shaped by whoever can enforce it. If I can get away from jail I am by this framework in the moral right.

>99% catholic
>very tight knit and insular
> easy going and fun loving women
>culture is artistic and very romantic
> new gov is right wing and cutting immigration

When will you take the Quebecpill bros?

isn't it obvious that stealing or killing will have negative consequences for the person, therefore it's bad? You can rationally discuss ethics without constructing a metaphysical authority, especially when this authority can only be justified by itself, not by it's means. Otherwise it would just be a shallow placebo.

>>no religion
>>no community
>>no purpose
>>culture is consumerist shit
>>country going down the drain
same but with pakis everywhere .

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lmao, try faggot.

everything has to be literal in quran. because denying even 1 verse would make you "kafr".
which verses make you think that its not "literal"?

Morals are part of the human character, thats one of the few things that separates us from animals, like the ability to reason and the ability to grasp abstract concepts such as art and literature, its inborn in every human differently (since all humans are individuals at their very core), saying you can't be moral without is simply incorrect

>You can rationally discuss ethics without constructing a metaphysical authority
I disagree. Consequentialism is largely contingent on the fact that something will have negative consequences for you. If I'm a king and rape and steal without consequences I'm technically not immoral. Ethics arise when something is done for the sake of itself.

Have love

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LOL muslim shitholes

im not even muslim alberto

Reason only works after a set of axioms have been established, and those are pre-rational/metaphysical in nature. Like, why do humans like being loved and dislike being hated? That is beyond explanation.

inb4 some utilitarian reasoning like "but those values are useful for the continuity of the species", to which I'd ask, why do we have a drive to continue our species, and so on. We'll always have to base our reasoning upon metaphysical axioms, that we simply recognise as true

Then find some purpose for yourself, because none of the things will get better, in fact, it'll get worse.
Found your own community (archive.fo/9K9qa), worship your own gods or let yourself worship as god, don't care about your country, just care about your people and family.

Based

Ability for advanced trial and error reasoning and morals are different. I can accept humans have morals but what I don't have to accept is if these morals are a universal truth and I am incapable of breaking them. If morals were so biologically immutable no one would commit crimes.

ethiopia is christian, and is based. fuck you..

t. Alberto Barbossa

>worship your own gods.

Like when you worship that guy Adolf?

What gives you the idea that everything is literal? None of the scholars or exegetes have ever interpreted it as such. Even ancient ones like IBn Kathir from the 9th century didn't. Hell they didn't even in the sixth century. Even the Hadith show the Prophet didn't interpret it literally. Of course a Quranist wouldn't know about that but still.

>I don't have to accept is if these morals are a universal truth and I am incapable of breaking them
I never said they are universal, I said they are inborn differently in everyone, since all humans are individual, every person walking this earth has some sense of morals, in some people they are more substantial than others, true. For example, a murderer might kill people, but his moral sense will draw a line somwhere, for example killing animals. Just because they are different in everyone or more powerful in certain individuals and less powerful in others doesn't mean they don't exist. Who gets decide the right and wrong in a democratic society are the people, who then elect people who support their morals

So you accept morals are a human construct that are subjective and non universal from a materialistic standpoint? I don't disagree with that.

If that was your only point I wouldn't see a problem, but saying "you can't have morals without god" is incorrect, since they are by their nature inborn, and exist within everyone from the moment of their conception, thats why even young children that can't understand religion or laws have a moral compass that leads them

Perhaps I phrased it badly.

Well OP, at least you're not a swe-

I'm protestant but the only time I ever practice Christianity is the yearly church visit on Christmas Eve.

>i believe that a sand nigger rode a horse to skies to meet god
>i believe that there 2 angels sitting in my shoulders to write my sins and virtues
>i believe that god created the whole universe for specifically 1 planet and 1 species in it
>i believe that the whole humanity has been produced by 2 people in jungle who have been removed from heaven because satan fooled them
>i believe i should drink camel piss for health
>i believe a man can have 4 wives and unlimited slave-women (harem)
>i believe that there is nothing wrong by muhammed marrying 6 and having sex (actually should be called rape) when she was 9-10 years old
>i believe that if a muslim kills entire humanity, he will access heaven after some time in hell. but if an atheist saves humanity he will go to hell
>i believe that my religion is "religion of peace" but we should fight them until they pay tax otherwise kill them
>i believe that murtedeen (apostasy) should be kiled
>i believe woman who do adultery should be stoned to death
>i believe homosexual people should be pushed out of roof

>i believe these because religious texts says so

we need nationalism and a bit of socialism

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kaffir dog
listen to some ebu hanzala for once

alevi subhuman

Ironically enough evolution selects against that. Western civilization will fall precisely because we fell for the memes of individualism, post-modernism and consumerism. Rome will burn and it will burn because we have literally asked for this. There is nobody to blame but ourselves and the sweet release of death is too good for us.

>a bit of socialism
There is a safe dosage of socialism in the same way there is a safe dosage of uranium: the fact that there is a dosage we can tolerate does not change the fact that it is intrinsically a toxic substance. Socialism is only allowed to exist in sofar as it dissuades the losers of the system from actually enforcing socialism. The welfare state is effectively a bribe to pay the proles to not set everything on fire just so they can stay warm for half a minute.

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This is going to be the counter-culture. Mark my words.

youtube.com/watch?v=MPWta7ZNFpc

>I believe someone rode a horse to meet God
It's supposed to be a supernatural miracle.
>I believe there are two angels sitting on my shoulders
This is unfalsifiable
>I believe God created the whole universe for one planet and one species
Islam doesn't say this.
>I believe humanity was created from two people
There is no significant reason to be skeptical of this. All species come from two specific similar mutations and by science itself from a single organism. As for Satan once again unfalsifiable.
>I believe I should drink camel piss for health
This was a local custom not a relicipus tradition. And for the time it actually was a somewhat useful remedy
>I believe a man can have four wives and unlimited concubines
Polygamy is an exception not the norm. A man is commanded to not take more than one wife if he cannot treat them justly.
>I believe Muhammad raped a 9 year old
Young marriage has been okay for almost all existence until the 18th century. The only reason Age of consent laws came to be was because Pre marital sex lead to child prostitution.
>I believe if a Muslim kills all of humanity he will go to heaven
No because he will then be a Munafiqun.
>if an atheist saves humanity he will go to hell
Actions don't matter inetentions do. Read Kant.
>we should fight them until they pay tax otherwise kill them
No you can have a treaty with disbelievers which you are necessitated to follow. And whts the problem with demanding taxes. Every state does it. Also if you don't want to pay you can be allowed to leave.
>I believe apostasy is punishable by death
If it is accompanied by political secession from the community and blasphemy then yes. If otherwise then at most it's exile.
>women should be stoned for adultery and homos should be thrown off roofs
What's wrong with this? Besides this only applies to Muslims. Dhimmis enforce their own laws. Zoroastrians could even fuck their daughters if they wanted.

>the country that made the megacorp of megacorps to kill all other companies does not like socialism
y-you'll never take control of the onion market and seize entire nations a-again, y-you hear me?

but yes, I am not really pro-socialist, and the left in the US right now is making it even more unpalatable with their woke bullshit

>i actually believe these
man religion is miracle. not because of its "prophets did", because making people like you actually believe and defend these

You've made no counter point. Have you ever thought that maybe your world view isn't somehow intuitive and maybe you are also influenced by the culture you live in?

>What's wrong with this?

whenever I doubt if Spaniards did good or bad by kicking out the the moors of iberia , I will remember this post.

Do you think the Inquisitors were feminists and LGBTQ friendly people?

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>no religion
fantastic
>no community
how about you create it instead of crying on the internet you pathetic loser? live as an example
>no purpose
you're so useless you need other people to tell you how to live? disgusting

My parents aren't religious so I wasn't raised religious. It all seems pretty foolish from that perspective and I can't understand it.

t. miserable fuck pretending to be superior

>projecting your own inadequacies on other people
yikes!

Jesus himself saved a woman that was about to get stoned for adultery.

It doesn't mean to be feminist or gay friendly. There is something we know as forgiveness an alien concept for you I guess.

>live in ontario
>half queb, but shit at french
If i improve mon francais will you guys let me come back? The other half is still white i swear

This incorrect. Jesus said that "the person without sin" should cast the first stone. This isn't literal obviously since if it was he would have done so since he is sinless. Jesus was referring to a Jewish tradition where two witnesses were needed for a formal trial. Since the Jews who claimed there was a trial brought no witnesses or "those without sin" he couldn't stone her. Historically Jesus endorsements of the Old Law (Mt 5:17-18 and 19:17) were never overruled by this verse and the church continued to punishment immerse until they were radically losing power and could no longer enforce their laws.

Mfw.

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Testicle

church continued to punish sinners*

no. Jesus explicitly forgives the woman at the end, he just says "dont do it again".

read the passage. Or don't; keep your barbaric ways I don't care.

Technically neither of you were wrong. While the case was dismissed on a technicality, Jesus did not call for a better organized retrial and told the woman to go and sin no more. Jesus had a tendency to hang out with whores and sinners.

He dismisses it because of lack of sufficient proof and as a safety measure he warns the woman about not sinning again. Implying he would implement the punishment if she relapsed. Your interpretation directly contradicts Mt 5:18 and 19:17

>Like Jesus needs proofs
>Safety measure

lmao, you sociopaths can't into forgiveness for real.

Have you even read the Bible?
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
John 8
Talking about the same incident.

Of course I've read the Bible.

you are taking things out of context:

>You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone when I judge; I am with the Father, who sent Me. 17Even in your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18I am One who testifies about Myself, and the Father, who sent Me, also testifies about Me.

no contradiction.

Now look for the parable of the prodigal son, or the lost sheep. Maybe someday you will grasp the concept of forgiveness.