What's life like in Cuba? Is it really that big of a shithole?

Over 1 million Canadians visit Cuba every year. It would probably be easier to just go there.

I don't see much wrong with that photo. They are just living a humble life

>I don't see much wrong with that photo. They are just living a humble life

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mil veces mejor que tu basurero en cualquier caso

its just a picture of a couple in a kitchen. What is the problem there

The mental gymnastics people do to defend this shitholle bogles my mind.

I've been there, and it isn't as bad as most americans will tell you. It's clean, but dusty due to the buildings slowly decaying, and there's no crime or drugs at all. The people seem a lot happier then in america, even though their government is repressive and living is much tougher. The medical system is shit, but a lot of that is due to the embargo preventing medi supplies from getting in. It isn't a socialist utopia as some people would tell you, and it isn't a orwellian hellhole like others would say. I'd recommend you visit.

Cuba is actually not bad compared to a lot of other poor countries.

maybe its shit but that photo with a couple in a fucking kitchen is not proving anything you retarded ape

>you think socialism is good? well look at these poor people in their kitchen, libtard!

One cousin who went there told me that cubans will follow you through the streets asking you for your camera, cellphone, etc.
They have free everything but at the same time they can't afford "luxuries".

Its fucking shit outsode of tourist areas

This is probably the best response so far.
My parents were there in May. According to them it's a very poor country with limited access to consumer goods, but it's better than most third world countries. Housing quality is very low (some places are literally falling down because people can't afford repairs) but there's very little homelessness. Most people don't have cars, but people walk or take public transport to their destination. Wages are very low, but medical care and education is paid for by the government.

it shows that they are living in misery you fucking retarded kiwi.

you're right no one suffers in capitalist countries, there are absolutely no poor people in africa, india, or the rest of latam

He'll say that's not real capitalism or it's their fault for being poor.

>THERE ARE POOR PEOPLE IN CUBA! NOW DIE FOR ISRAEL YOU UNGRATEFUL PIECE OF SHIT PEASANT!

Used to be the richest nation in Latin America, rivaling most of europe at the time. Now it's a nigger infested dump with crumbling infrastructure. That's communism.

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rude. you don't like venezuelans?

have good things and bad things
they have a very low homicide rate, the government does well to shoot rapists and other criminals, my country should do the same. although you can be assaulted if you are a tourist
medical attention is accessible to everyone, but in reality there is very bad administration, medicines are missing and you only get them with bribes
traditional values are preserved
standard of living higher than most of Latin America
the rest is practically like a random Latin American country but with a repressive government

makes sense except for the happiness part. i don't get it.
>a lot happier then in america, even though their government is repressive and living is much tougher.

>rivaling most of europe at the time
lolno
A lot of Cubans in the 50s were illiterate farmers.

I've seen some

When I went there they had me dress like a hobo to stop being pestered by locals for money. It's a fucking shithole. Locals just want to scam you at every chance and get stuff from you.
They can't afford basic luxuries we take for granted like internet at home or cable TV.
There's literally a business to help women leave there by marrying them and then divorcing once you get out of Cuba. Their parents can pay you like 1000 USD or even more to do it.

>medical attention is accessible to everyone, but in reality there is very bad administration, medicines are missing and you only get them with bribes
this is the essence of 'true' socialism
it works in theory but in practice there is shortage of everything

When was this?

It sounds like you forgot to go on the airplane and aimlessly wandered around Mexico for a while.

stale boomer meme

how are they

Any gusanos itt? You betrayed the ideals of the cuban revolution.

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Cuba is based. at least not a loser dong like Japan defeated by fucking Murrica

this one is better

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They literally gather at wifi hotspots because they don't have internet at home.

Or maybe it's because of a 50 year embargo

They depend on food rations to survive, are not allowed to own land and grow their own fucking food and are forced to live under constant military survailance. Oh, and most are not allowed to leave the country.

I met a cuban doctor here, he said his family had a hidden hole under their house where they would keep the few money and food they could get. They did this because at any time a policeman could invade their home and take all they had.

People living in other poor countries can become richer or leave the for better places.
Not in cuba. The state wont let them.

I knew about Cuba, I mean the anons
they are rich? Are they children of politicians?
are they in favor of the government or against?
they are poor?
how many have you seen?

>or leave for a better place
The world would be a better place if this wasn't possible

>said Chang in Canada

WAIT a second. How come EVERY SINGLE Cuban I ever meet is a "Doctor?"
I can understand maybe a 30 or 40 year old person. But I seen legit 22 year old cuban girls and a 19 year old black cuban who said they were doctors also. The girls look like Instagram whores and can barely do math and the guy literally said the human body has over 500 bones. Is Cuban doctor a meme or a code word for something?

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In terms of economy Cuba was closer to Europe than to the rest of Latin America. Vast majority of latinamericans in the 50s and even after the 50s where also illiterate farmers, but the development and wealth found in Cuba was unmatched, not even by Argentina at it's peak. Cuba combined the best of European culture, traditions, architecture, institution, etc..with the best of American development, technology, infrasctreucture, etc..the best of both worlds colliding in one Caribbean island. Cubans had more access to the newest fashion, cars, radios, televisions, phones, etc. than any European country.

what about venezuela?
or maybe north korea?
or what about your own country (china)?

>Cubans had more access to the newest fashion, cars, radios, televisions, phones, etc. than any European country.
this is mostly bullshit.

There is always shortages of basic goods in every socialist nation, with or without embargo.

Whats up with these firts worlders fantasising about cuba? Would you like to live in a shithole were you are forbidden to get a better life?

>Or maybe it's because of a 50 year embargo
It was shit even before it.They also have themselves to blame for the embargo.

this
just drop mostly

>Would you like to live in a shithole were you are forbidden to get a better life
It's actually not that hard to leave now.

Venezuela was also the best Latam country back in the 80s until they feel for the socialism meme and became the decadent shithole it is today.
In fact, the current president is doing everything in his power to trap the Venezuelas there and stopping the mass exodus, like making passports cost a ridiculous amount of money so poor people (90ish% of Venezuelans) can't afford it

There are more than 190 countries with which Cuba can trade, the United States is not the only one
the lock meme is no longer valid

>Venezuela was also the best Latam country back in the 80s
Try the 50s-60s maybe

Go ahead and prove that it's bullshit, instead of just giving low iq nigger half-assed replies. Europe was not always super-developed outside certain countries. Just look at all the classic high quality cars in Cuba today, you think they just dropped from the sky. Everything good you see in Cuba today is but a remant of a glorious past.

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Have you guys ever been to Cuba? They literally and unironically don't let you outside of the tourist areas. It's like going to Cabo except you can't leave that region

Cuba had tons of american investment, it was going to be like a Bahamas but bigger. To believe that Cuba was a shithole is incredibly ignorant

>B-but illiterate farmers
All farmers in LATAM were illiterate in the 50's

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Fancy cars do not a developed country make. France, Belgium, the BRD etc had much higher living standards than Cuba in the 50s.

We have some Venezuelan refugees here and there are nothing like mexican migrant workers. They seem to be folks with connections. They had to pay huge bribes to get a US passport. It is like 5000 USD or more. Even a Chilean passport is not cheap. You can buy literally anything there if you have connections and $$$$.

Just repeating what I've read. Some of the issues people blame as being 100% the fault of Chavez started in the 80s e..g social instability, poverty, high crime rates etc

This is 100% not true. My parents went there and stayed at a B&B-esque place. They didn't really go to the resort areas.

Sorry, not a passport, I mean a visa. But they also have to pay huge bribes to get a venezuelan travel passport. They have different colors apparently and the 'right' one is a few grand too, and it can be done in a few days.

It guess it depends on how gringo you look and act. Some of my friends have gone and they've had no restrictions.
>gusanos
Yuck
They don't have american media pounding into their minds 24/7 to buy happiness

he is right
Venezuela was only surpassed by Argentina
I remember that my grandfather said that he traveled to Venezuela in the nineties to work because they were ALMOST second world

What so the richest countries in Europe had a higher "quality of life". lol Okay, how the rest of Europe including eastern Europe. The point is Cuba was CLOSER to Europe development-wise than it was to the rest of Latin America. Now after communism it's comparable only to the worst shitholes in the region.

This is actually a very big missunderstood meme. The embargo is between the US and Cuba. All other countries can trade with them with no problem
The thing is that the government taxes >50% of the earnings and the bureaucracy is almost unbearable. I'm sure if the US lifted the embargo more goods would flow as the US is near and has a lot of good productivity industries that could take the hit and still make some money, but believe me, it wouldn't be THAT much different

Cuba had inequality rates up the ass. Literally only Havana had a semblance of development, the rest of the country was a major dump. And only white Cubans and American expats had the good life, the rest ate shit.

Europeans immigrated to Venezuela decades ago.

>Now after communism it's comparable only to the worst shitholes in the region.
Also not true, at least not in every respect. Their GDP per capita isn't very high, but their HDI, life expectancy, literacy, and nutrition statistics are better than those for many countries in Latin America, and certainly better than those of other poor countries worldwide.

Cuba received the most amount if immigrants, had the highest standart of living in latam and despite their small size and population, they had the 4th higgest GDP in the americas, behind only the USA, canada and brazil.

As i said, the mental gymnastics these supporters of the cuban government make to defend them is mind bogling.

He already gave you a good description. They post from hotpots, they're not rich.

>despite their small size and population, they had the 4th higgest GDP in the americas, behind only the USA, canada and brazil.
How was the distribution of this wealth?
>As i said, the mental gymnastics these supporters of the cuban government make to defend them is mind bogling.
You mean people who repeat statistics you can literally find in CIA databases?

>They don't have american media pounding into their minds 24/7 to buy happiness
US media does not compare to Cuban state media or party propaganda

>gusanos
what is gusano for you?

>How was the distribution of this wealth?
As shitty as in any developing LatAm country faggot, the thing is several capitalists LatAm countrie surpassed communist Cuba

>HDI, life expectancy, literacy, and nutrition statistics

Cuba was already ABOVE the rest of latin American in every damn metric you can mention, get this through your thick skull. As I said anything good that you see in Cuba is a reflection of it's rich past. All the education didn't come from nowhere, all that infrastructure didn't come from nowhere, it was already there prior to communism.

>el meme of the distribution

Thats because comunists states release faked statistic records to make them appear better than they are.

Speking of statistics, did you know that cuba in the 90's had the higgest suicide rate in all of the americas? They stopped releasing these statistics because it made them look bad.

>Cuba was already ABOVE the rest of latin American in every damn metric you can mention
In Batista's era, literacy alone was about 60-70% from what I remember reading. That's roughly on the level of Haiti today.

>media
lmao socialism is all about propaganda. you don't know what you are talking about.

>das rite das rite libiots

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Gusanos are Cuban Revolution escapees and their descendants
Basically ex-rich, white Cubans who lost their fiefdoms and consider Castro as the Antichrist
>several capitalist countries
Yeah, big countries with assloads of natural riches and resources
Notice how the most developed LatAm countries are the furthest from the USA

The CIA is a mouthpiece for communist propaganda? Jesus Christ you people are nuts.

What statistics do you repeat?

And now tell me what was Haiti's literacy rate during this period, you dumbass nigger.

>Speking of statistics, did you know that cuba in the 90's had the higgest suicide rate in all of the americas? They stopped releasing these statistics because it made them look bad.
You're lying. You can still find the suicide rate for Cuba.

Venezuela was once THE most developed one and it was pretty close to the US. And still is last time I checked it didn't move :D Costa Rica and Panama are better off than Argentina.

Published by the cuban government? So it must be zero.

Why is it relevant what it was at the time? You were claiming that Cuba was close to the developed world in statistics, including literacy. Literacy rates in the developed world were well over 90% even in the early and mid 20th century. Rather than mirroring this statistic, Cuba had a literacy rate closer to that of the poorest country in the hemisphere today.

that's literally propaganda
the worms are only people who oppose the Cuban dictatorship
everyone who is against the government is considered a worm
Do you think the almost two million Cubans in the United States are all rich white landowners?

Not every statistic is published by the government. This is the case no matter the country or time. There's a whole host of sources for things like suicide rates. Furthermore, in cases like that of the DPRK, where the government is widely acknowledged to publish false data, databases often have no choice but to use other sources. And that's an extreme example - Cuba is much more open than the DPRK, despite what people on the internet like to claim.

Right on cue, the obligatory Canadian super-leftist that spent a weekend in a Cuban resort, only given the state approved guided tour areas...Now that makes them an expert that can speak with authority on Cuban history, culture, etc. And any disagreements only lead to "lol bourgeouis" "lol nazi" "lol but communism is a good thing"

It's an absolute embarrassment to everyone involved. Canadians are the absolute worst when it comes to this. Worst of all, they are completely lacking in self awareness, and in fact thinks the world at large - or anyone for that matter- appreciates their smug leftist bullshit.

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>How was the distribution of this wealth?

You see, moron, in order for a country to get rich, some people have to get rich first for the wealth to get spread to lower income people trhou commerce. Thats why countries that have the biggest amount of billionares also have the higgest average gdp per capita.

True, in fact they had already erradicated illiteracy prior to the revolution. Remenber that when you see some liberaloid preaching about the wonders of the cuban education.

Like Russia?

gusanos kek