>His country’s education doesn’t teach all of calculus before entering into university
Unironically your country’s level of education can be assessed by this. I was surprised that some countries like America still teach mathematics in high school we learn in earlier period of middle school.
>want to go to uni later in life to do CS
>having to basically learn maths all over again because I retained nothing at school
I think I've mostly caught up, but calculus was all new to me.
There's no use in pushing the level TOO MUCH at high school since they won't get hired anywhere good without a degree.
How good is British education regarding math? I’ve glanced Cambridge’s admission tests and it was mildly difficult.
We're too busy having sex, nerd
>muh calculus
Unironically, all of maths education should be scrapped and we should just be teaching mathematical logic and proof until they get to university. teaching kids to become shitty calculators is really meaningless and people like you propagate an incorrect view of mathematics.
We don't have to learn calculus in college either. I took College Algebra
I don't know. I was in the 'standard' maths class at school, the 'higher' one had the brainy people in. My school was also a grammar school so the standards were higher all round.
Only smart kids get to do A-Maths here and they usually don't score that well in the exams
this
>high school
At least I studied law, basic cs, and other topics relative to economics on top of the standard plan.
Calculus can be easily done in a single big exam at the start of your degree, if you aren't retarded
Wanna judge a country's level of education?
Compare the exam plans for each degree, that's the big difference
Every time I try this with most Americans, most of their college study plans are basically a joke
>A grammar school
That’s a funny name of school. What is that?
>Studying economics
What is your job now?
You have to take a test, basically an IQ test to get in but you don't pay for it. You get less plebs at grammar schools, doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be good, but it means that a better class of people go there.
So it differs from private school where all of your elites go to? Main components of them must be middle class as in Japan, here we also have a selection test for middle schoolers to get into prestigious private/public high schools, but those who can afford to prepare their children for these tests are above middle class. It inherently reflects class discrimination.
None, because I'm not studying economics
Why would I take a meme degree?
So what did you study and your job?
>did you study
I'm studying CS
>your job
Again, none because I'm a student
Are there any computer related jobs in Italy? Or you would move anywhere?
I only took calculus for social sciences in uni. Im too retarded for the real stuff
Unironically we remember all of calculus from highschool, still never use it anywhere irl, what the fuck was the point of that garbage anyways
I could move to the northern plain, or Rome and get basically any job
CS people are always needed, because most are brainlets who fell for the engin*ering meme, and few people manage to graduate in CS
Computer related jobs are basically everywhere, unless you are in the deep south (I guess)
It's a rising field
An ideal plan would be moving and getting a first job in Italy, then well.. it's not a field where you can plan everything in advance. Moving abroad would be great, but you could also be lucky and find a good opportunity here.
This at least if you want to stick to private companies/employers
No offense, but who even uses calculus nowadays? Everything's just done in Matlab and Excel.
Took AP Calc in high school, highest level of math I have since I'm taking a meme major for undergrad
Do you also do differential equations in HS? We did everything up to that
You can do both. That said some basic calculus is good for everyone, I'd imagine the subprime immobilia credit crisis wouldn't have occurred if people would've actually had a basic grasp of math and functions.
>if people would've actually had a basic grasp of math and functions.
Schools really need to introduce subjects that don't make people become absolute clueless brainlets as soon as they exit high school
It's 5 years ffs
I went to a private school.
I learned quite a bit of calculus in high school.
Every stem scientist or engineer in academia or industry.
There's literally no reason to teach calculus to 99% of the population.
Based, imagine picking public high school
Yes, also with some applications in daily economic decision taking.
Like if I earn X a year, can I afford a credit over Y months with Z interest?
This is pre-calculus level even.
I actually have less than a high school education. I don't even know what calculus is.
What's the point of teaching everyone calculus in highschool when you can teach only those who will actually use it university? You're only forcing people who don't have an aptitude for math to spend years learning something that they will never use while the ones who will need to learn it can become proficient in it in just a few months. How many 25 year olds whos work doesn't require daily use of math remember anything past basic algebra anyway? Highschools should place a higher emphasis on history and language/writing skills instead of trying to jerk one another off to see who can rubber stamp the highest level math on their student's transcripts.
I did some calculus in high school, but it was mostly practical and it didn't help much when I had to study it again at uni (engineering)
So wait ? You mean to tell me that japanese students study multivariable calculus and differential geometry at high school ?
see
People who can't do math have it hard to manage their finances or understand economic relationships.
Also my African shithole had a very good math curriculum that covered a variety of topics (imaginary numbers , calculus , geometry and more)
Which part of higher level math would stop people from buying houses with monthly payments higher then their available income? That's an issue of personal responsibility and planning not math knowledge. At best a good couple week section on interest rates would be helpful but definitely not anything above algebra 2.
What, you learn math in French? Arabic is not used in higher education?
It's about responsibility sure, but also seeing through windy sales practices and understanding economic relationships. Maybe a course of national economics with math would help people act responsible also when judging promises of parties at election day?
>not doing Lie theory in middle school
We had to do pre calculus which was a basic intro course into calculus that was required in high school.
Yeah pretty much , all Scientific courses (math ,physics, biology) are taught in french in most of africa
Nafris countries are the only ones that are dumb enough to have adopted our "classes préparatoires" system
These are not "classe prépas" that's just the bac , "classe prépas" are 1000 times harder.
A chapter per week ,calculus , set theory ...etc
It's just seeing how you can fit triangles and squares under curvy lines. If you know what a function is and how it can be graphed on a Cartesian coordinate plane, you can understand how Calculus works.
If not, study the basics of Algebra and Analytic Geometry. They're actually kinda fun and have lots of applications in different fields, even Art and Music Theory.
>prépa
>hard
For a nafri retard, maybe
>set theory
Lmao. There is hardly any set theory, just a chapter at the beginning to define what a set and a bijection is.
>tfw I only took up to basics algebra that started failing everything
I don't deserve to live I wish I wasn't a worthless coward so I could end my life, It hurts more because I wanted to be an engineer
Oh shit lol me too. What website are you using to learn math?
Maybe if you're doing "prépa intégrée" and are looking for a no name school.
But if you want to get into l'x for example you're going to have a hard time
based. Math really started with my first proofs class.
What did you prove ?
>prépa intégrée
Lmao. Come back after you have a go with pic related.
>getting into polytechnique
No point if you're not french. Polytechnique's goal is to form french elites, it's pretty much useless to get into it if you're not french yourself since it has otherwise terrible global rankings and can't compare with oxbridge.
Not that guy, but I mostly used one book titled "College Algebra" written by Joseph B. Rosenbach (Boston, MA, 1958, Ginn and Company), which I got a copy of at my local library, along with Norman Wilderberg's Math Foundations videos.
I've also used the Wikibooks Calculus book, which lines up with much of what you'd see in a high school/college course for Pre-Calculus, Differential, Integral, and Multivariable Calculus.
My point is that prépas here are very hard they are meant to get you ready for polytechnique , wether that's useful or not is another matter entirely
NZ education is unironically dogshit
never took anything beyond algebra 1 and it hasn't impeded me any. get fucked nerd
The only way to learn in general properly for any possible subject seems to be self-studying (unless it's social skills, in which case you're fucked).
Yet not a single one can make it into the top 10 lolololololol
I self study everything but unfortunately i'm a complete brainlet so it takes months to make days worth of progress
lmao
There's hundreds of painters whose works you haven't seen, poets or novelists whose writings you've never read, and musicians whose works you've never heard performed, and that's fine. Not knowing mathematics doesn't make you wiser or more intelligent, but knowing mathematics and being able to appreciate it gives you something more to admire.
That's fine. You're the one who wants to learn, right? If that's the case, then don't worry about trying to get through it faster than you can understand it.
>all of calculus before university
What's the point? A very low percentage of people are going to university in related fields like engineering or maths, and those people will have a proper introduction in the first 2 semesters of university. Might as well teach all of biology for the 2% of people who'll go to medschool.
The point of school is to 1. give people a solid foundation of knowledge useful in everyday life and 2. give them a brief introduction into a variety of subjects so they can decide what to specify in.
I know 4 dudes from my shithole who made it into l'x , and plenty of others in other polytechniques
If you would be here I'd teach you how :) seriously!
>Lmao. Come back after you have a go with pic related.
I did back in the days, and it was easy faggot.
>other polytechniques
>he think polytech has anything to do with l'X
LOOK AT THIS DUDE
>Back to muh leaderboards larping
>placed in acceleated math program at age of 13
>Took calc 1 & 2 junior year of highschool
>took statistics senior year highschool
If you aren't retarded you can take calculus in highschool in US
Other grand êcoles , stop being a pedantic faggot
>There is hardly any set theory
lol are you for real ? you're only working on what's in the program?
if you haven't read this book in your prepatory classes it's over for you enjoy l'école céramique de limoges buddy.
With such bold claims, I imagine you at least got into X/ulm without any difficulties, and are now doing a PhD at Princeton.
Calc 2 is standard here at 17-18 years old if you do a maths a level
holy fucking BASED
I took 1 semester of Calculus back in high school, but never saw anything beyond limits, power rule and the absolute basics of integration. Most of what I remember (at least from what my old notes tell me) was shit like parabolas and asymptotes. Did you at least see any cool stuff in those classes?
I unironically did and still have the pdf on my phone lmao
Was fun
Doing LMD instead of going after diplôme d'ingénieur , i see you chose the easy route , eh ?
I learnt some basic calculus in school still when I got into uni shit was kinda hard.
i ended up in ponts because i was shit at philosophy and chemistry. i fell for the " the french universities excel at math " meme and never left france to do a masters or phd elsewhere
I took calculus in my senior year of highschool
Did you actually take ALL of Calculus, or did you just take some of the basics of derivation and integration?
>imagine going to the university without understanding any newtonian physic
Also the cope in this thread is extreme. Not knowing calculus = not understanding basic physics
Post example of problems
I like calculus, but it really isn't all that useful to most people. Stats and basic accounting in high school makes a shitload more sense.
The key word in OP's post is
>all
I'm not sure if all Calculus classes are like this, but I got a brief overview of a few aspects of Calculus, and was impressed by much of the kind of stuff I got out of a college-level Calculus textbook by the time I relearnt the subject on my own after 2 years of studying something completely unrelated.
Hell, I didn't even see delta-epsilon definition of a limit back in high school Calculus.
Stop bumping this dead larping thread
Ok now this is based
agreed. I hated maths and it's the reason I quit uni
Engineer-tier Mathematics isn't real Mathematics.
I really liked the way the problems were written in my class. Most other math classes in highschool never gave me the opportunity to think more logically and force me to figure out what concepts to use. I will admit sometimes the content seemed a bit shallow, though. A lot of our integration wasn't very difficult, but became a little less simple towards the end. A university would have probably taught more advanced techniques. But I got college credit for it and my degree is IT/business so I only need a basic understanding of calc.
I don't understand maths, that's why i went to law school, despite hating law, and i would rather be a scientist or a software engineer
>calculus is all of math
in India u learn the entire single variable calculus up till 12th grade (provided u choose engineering)
u can choose your desired subjects in 10th grade, till 10th we only get taught basic maths like geometry, algebra and some basic trig.
in 10th grade, most students have to choose amongst the followings
Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics (Engineering)
Physics, Chemistry, Biology (Medical)
Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Biology (Pure Sciences)
Accountancy, Economics, Mathematics (Commerce)
History, Geography, Civics, Economics (Arts)
Sanskrit, Language Theory (Linguistics)
only if u take math, you gotta study calc.
If India math was any good, Poo Poos would have been able to calculate a safe moon landing
