Why don't Orientals use Classical "Chinese" again?

now compare the time it takes to write those character versed writing the Latin alphabet.
symbolic systems have major impacts on literacy, Japan managed because their system is a hybrid and they are a very developed nation with an extremely robust education system, but the language is still a crutch.

Illiterate Anglo fuck

>Why don't Orientals use Classical "Chinese" again?
same reason you dont paint mosses in a cave

How do you learn how to spell English? You go over each word until you remember. Hanzi is no different.
Phonetic means you can only talk to those that speak the same language so this limits talking.
I could learn all the hanzi needed in 2 months. it isn't hard to write them or remember.

I legit have a harder time reading pinying than Chinese characters.

Explain please.

I learned English phonetically for the most part, sounding out chunks and learning how to say words.
and English is quite difficult since its disorganized, French is far easier since it has a policing authority to keep it in order.

do not pretend for me that symbolic systems don't lead to massive literacy issues, or pretend as if widespread public illiteracy is a good thing.

If Vietnam was in the situation of Nazi germany some 70 million population along with all of their remaining guns and tanks and motorization could they beat soviets and allies if they were Vietnamese?

Most people don't need to read. I don't know why people think this. The average person can just get a long with words. Maybe Vietnam is upset his country stopped using this system.

what?

as you can see however even some English speakers have literacy issues.

>Most people don't need to read.
again stupid argument
having a country full of undereducated retards is like having a country full of ill people

its bad for everyone even if you yourself are healthy and well learned.

It's very inefficient to input those characters. You need to type in phonetic alphabets first, like pinyin or kana, and choose one character among several ones that have same pronunciation.

Learning Hanzi makes reading easier anyway. Phonetic systems should be used WITH hanzi.

石室诗士施氏,嗜狮,誓食十狮。氏时时适市视狮。十时,适十狮适市。 是时,适施氏适市。氏视是十狮,恃矢势,使是十狮逝世。氏拾是十狮尸,适石室。石室湿,氏使侍拭石室。石室拭,氏始试食是十狮尸。食时,始识是十狮,实十石狮尸。试释是事。

Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī. Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī. Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì. Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì. Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì. Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì. Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì. Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī. Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī. Shì shì shì shì.

In a stone den was a poet called Shi Shi, who was a lion addict, and had resolved to eat ten lions. He often went to the market to look for lions. At ten o’clock, ten lions had just arrived at the market. At that time, Shi had just arrived at the market. He saw those ten lions, and using his trusty arrows, caused the ten lions to die. He brought the corpses of the ten lions to the stone den. The stone den was damp. He asked his servants to wipe it. After the stone den was wiped, he tried to eat those ten lions. When he ate, he realized that these ten lions were in fact ten stone lion corpses. Try to explain this matter.

That poem was made to prove how pinyin is good.
All I see is a lazy boy who doesn't like typing.

lmao fuck china

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I grew up in Japan.

They still teach Classical Chinese in schools.

Classical Chinese isn't used in Communist China because Communism. They use colloquial speech in writing instead of more formal.

In Taiwan they use classical chinese a lot, although they stopped using it in formal documents in the 90s

Its the same reason why Latin isnt the lingua franca of the EU

If Vietnam was in the situation of Nazi germany could they build underground and fight off the soviets and allies?

Good lord.

believe it or not it is very ambiguous and the syntax has very roundabout way of implying meaning, in order to say simple things cultural and ideological basis is required
this is evident in the example such as in classical Chinese there is no singular noun for the first person rather the individual is refereed a third person form in different contexts

there is no third person plural and so on

nouns are singular characters so all kinds of ambiguity can arrive, the over usage of 之 and 也 for different parts of speech compound the ambiguous and reflexive nature of classical chinese

structurally it is not a good language for modern communication

You are confusing Classical Chinese with Traditional Chinese, moron.
One is a language the other is a script.

Because Protestantism?
It is not a language.

This is important. I don't talk about the "traditional" characters but the classical language/system.

im talking about classical chinese, the language moron

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anthem_of_the_Republic_of_China

The Taiwanese anthem is in Classical Chinese

I think there are too much politics involved.
I respect each country, region, nationality's choice. Ultimately it's a problem of language and existing ground work

In Taiwan and China I think the Hanzi characters work well for Mandarin and Han languages/dialects but some minorities need phonetic systems. This means that other languages countries/regions/peoples need that as well. You might use japan as an example but Japanese has been working on Kanji for a thousand years.

It all depends on history and groundwork

A taiwanese person educated exclusively in Mandarin (Guoyu) has exactly the same level of understanding of Classical Chinese as a mainlander, 0%.

>Try to explain this matter.
lol, checkmate athiests

The language that isn't spoken? I don't understand.
this. classical Chinese has less to do with modern mandarin than latin does with Italian.

>The Taiwanese anthem is in Classical Chinese
Yes but in the same way the anthem of EU is in Latin. Do Europeans understand Latin?

its not a spoken language but it can be spoken in different languages.

Each country has its own way of pronouncing each character

Come to think of it everyone had worked on Chinese characters for a thousand years so it's not really an argument. Ignore what I said it doesn't mean anything.

Taiwan isn't Korea, Im sure they learn Classical Chinese in school like in Japan

That is what I mean.
Okay.
They do.

This is probably true.

I have been to China many times for work and can tell you that the Hanzi system is definitely less efficient:
-The Chinese government introduced a simplified version years ago specifically to reduce the number of pen-strokes because classical has a lot of strokes. Even the simplified version can be a bit slow to write. Also the simplified version loses some of its pictorial meaning and can cause confusion in older Chinese (or for example Japanese) who would normally derive some of the meaning from the various sub-characters which no longer exist, making it more difficult to guess what the character means.
-Looking up a character you've never seen before is a significant problem. I've seen many times a group of Chinese discussing what a new character might mean and how to determine what it means. In a phonetic language there is an alphabetical order so looking something up in a dictionary is trivially easy. In Hanzi you don't even know how to pronounce it so you can't cheat by using pinyin to find the character
-All the 10-50 year olds use electronics anyways. They just start to type in the pinyin and the device pops up a list of characters to choose from and they select. There is actually a reduced capacity in the Internet generations to write correctly because the electronics complete the character for them. So they recognize the character when they see it but for the more complicated ones they actually can't write it.

refuse it
We should learn English.

I agree with what you said. And it's just the Hanzi. Classical Chinese is harder.

On the other hand a total phonetic system or a hybrid one like Japanese probably had their issues too. They have been tried but in the end we stopped at where we are now

I expect the number of characters to further decline but not enough to become a alphabet until...2030? Language changes faster now.

I noticed the pattern in which people arguing against learning X because “we should just learn English bro” are the type of people who can’t speak and write beyond broken English.
As ironic as it sounds, all Koreans I have seen were like that for this matter.

Hopefully not. But I don't think the hanzi will survive for long.

Koreans may learn.
It has nothing to do with Japan.

Why would hanzi die when computer literally made possible to keep them while still using pinyin? Most cons of using hanzi are much more limited with computerisation. Not long ago I also read an article saying that in Japan people have started using more Kanji instead of Hiragana thanks to computers.

Hopefully that is true.

Classical Chinese? Why yes I use Oracle Bone Script, how did you know?

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>Chinese should give up these meaningless chickenscratch and use Pinyin exclusively
>Fuck culture, languages are all about efficiency we should all be learning Esperanto

>now compare the time it takes to write those character versed writing the Latin alphabet.
One Classical Chinese word is one hanzi, one traditional hanzi (idk about simplified) has around 12? strokes, each of which is written in 12t seconds, so it takes 12t seconds to write a word, where t is the time to write one stroke.
One English word has around 5 symbols, which have 1 to 3 strokes (let's say 2, the average), so it would take 5*2*t=10t seconds (t is still the time to write one stroke, Chinese and Latin strokes aren't too different so it's the same time) to write one English word. Other languages like Russian or German have more characters in words or weird diacritics so it would take even more time to write a word.
tl;dr:mostly same

> each of which is written in 12t seconds
I meant the characters, not the strokes themselves

Pretty sure they learn Kanbun there (method to translate Classical Chiense to Japanese, you have one too, it's called Gugyeol) so they do learn it in a way

>111051710
Yes I only write on the back of dead turtles what gave it away ?

don't you have tonguetwisters in Georgian?

Yeah the computer changed things. It gave the Hanzi people so much hope like they grew taller and taller these days. I used to think Hanzi would die but the computers keeping it alive made me unable to say that.

Classical Chinese is certainly dead

based.
yiks

This is sad.

Korea is winner
Vietnam is semi winner
China is loser
Japan is fucking loser

So the more you get colonized you win ?

> Korea is winner
But there are two Koreas, m8

>you have one too, it's called Gugyeol
Yeah, almost forgot that. Although it sticks to the word order of the Classical Chinese a few dozens of grammatical markers were invented to resemble the ones of Korean and are inserted in the corresponding positions.

If less chinese characters = more victory then North Korea is the biggest winner.

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