Are there any phenotypes/looks that are unique to mixed people from Latin America (Mestizos/Pardos)?

ibero-american then

omg she's so cute

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she has little to no amerindian blood, her features are iberian

Even white latinos have some injun in them

She doesn't have a moustache, so not iberian

This is the face of 90% of Brazilians

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their amerindian blood is not enough to make a big difference in phenotype

Distinction bias perhaps? There definitely are those that do look a bit different and would fit better off into some sub-category (New World White) such as pic related, but I think there are also a fair share who probably couldn't be told apart for the average person unless you filled them in with the information, at least if you're comparing them with an Iberian. US/Canada have differing ancestry from UK/Germany, so it's no surprise that they would stick out like a sore thumb there.

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iberians are harier but their women dont have moustaches lol

Is Benicio del Toro white in PR?

cope

those are isthmids found mostly in central america

humanphenotypes.net/Isthmid.html

coping with what?

could pass as gypsies

their faces arent that bad, they look sea tier, the problem is that they are old and overweight

no, they look too mongoloid

not all injuns look the same, here a mexican indian margid type

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more mexican ones

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Lmao what kind of last name is Follador?

your average chilean bull

Oh yeah, most definitely. It isn't the same in your cunt?

I wouldn't consider him white desu

>his last name is literally Fucker
wtf based Chad Spaniards

Don't think it's a Spanish name
forebears.io/surnames/follador

Yeah, I get where you're coming from, and after having learned a bit about phenotypes, it's more or less the same, but our definition of whiteness is basically anyone that doesn't look black, so that's probably why we have a lot of people who identify as white in our censuses.

Yes, I've read that most people in PR identify as white which I find weird. Why do you guys not have a Mestizo category in your culture? Considering anyone who doesn't look Black as White seems odd.

Salvadorans mestizos with light features look very unique to me although I’m almost sure there is some ayyrab out there that could look like him, for example.

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qué tan comunes son los white-passing Ricans still living in the isle?

Nuyoricans seem to be heavily Afro-influenced, I shared a flat with a Rican in Bed-Stuyvesant and he looked nothing different from a full blown suburban White Anglo-Saxon protestant, the kid even had a WASPy accent

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Peculiar face

We don't really think or talk much about race, so our racial definition can come across as vague sometimes. The word "mestizo" isn't used that often, though we still refer to the racial mixing that ocurred as mestizaje, and I've seen some (not all) people use the word mestizo to describe us as being a mix of the three races that settled on this island (indigenous, blacks and the spanish). The closest word to "mestizo" as it's used in your country is trigueño, which is also awfully vague, but I would say that it's mostly for those that are more or less in the middle of the spectrum when it comes to racial mixing and wouldn't pass as solely from one race, though I've seen a lot of lighter skinned blacks use it as well due to some repulse of being associated with dark skinned blacks.

>Considering anyone who doesn't look Black as White seems odd.
You don't need to take that one literally, despite most choosing white in the census, that's because the latino one isn't an option (mostly because of the census assuming everyone's already latino), most don't literally see themselves as white and will generally say they're latino if you ask them. As I said, people here don't delve too deeply into the subject, so it's probably best if you don't look too deeply into it.

Diria que probablemente alrededor de 15-30% de los habitantes de la isla, pero incluso esa estimacion puede estar un poco equivocada, solo lo digo desde mi perspectiva en la raza (cual puede ser menos estricta a la de un anglosajon). Esta isla es pequeña, asi que no es como si los criollos vivieran aislado en una zona.

The nuyorican case is a bit interesting, I've noticed that some of them consider us "too white", but I wonder if that has more to do with how influenced they have been while co-living with african-americans for several generations. I also wonder if a lot of the more darker skinned Puerto Ricans migrated to the US during the great depression, since the economic crisis was much worse than over here. Pic related is of a black Puerto Rican family taken in 1898, the thing is, it's rare to find very dark skinned black Puerto Ricans like that nowadays, so I don't necessarily have any evidence as such research hasn't been made about Puerto Rican migrations to the US, but I think some of the more dark skinned Puerto Ricans may have moved in larger migrations during the early-mid 20th century and may have closely associated themselves with black americans due to how africanized they were. At the same time, I may be wrong and it may have been an average Puerto Rican family that got more influenced by African-Americans over time, who knows?

We still have some heavily africanized communities in the island though, Loiza is one of the first one that comes to mind (and surprisingly, is one of the municipalties with a more accurate census result in the island, with 64% identifying as black instead of the usual 70-90% identifying themselves as "white").

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since the economic crisis was much worse over here than in the US*

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are these the average people that people call latino in the US?

Did you not have the casta system in your island?
>that's because the latino one isn't an option (mostly because of the census assuming everyone's already latino),
What do you mean? Don't you use the same census form as the US?
>say they're latino if you ask them.
Interesting. So do you guys consider Latino a race?

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no, most of us are of mexican origin not central american origin

>Did you not have the casta system in your island?
Now that you mentioned it, I don't think so. tbqh, I didn't even know that the casta system was a thing anywhere in Latin America until I stumbled upon it online and interacted with other latin americans, for the longest time I just shrugged at the lack of info about a casta system here and just assumed that it was followed here in a less stricter way, but every historical chronicle I have read from colonists living here have never mentioned any elaborate casta system (asides from the typical racial division and the like), so I assume that the system was developed from an already pre-existing caste system in the Aztec/Incan Empire and was spread to the rest of the continental viceroyalties.

This is unrelated to the subject, but despite race being the closest thing to determining your class and worth in society, being black didn't necessarily already endoomed you to a lifestyle of slavery. In fact, most blacks weren't slaves. This wasn't because the colonists here were more benevolent, but rather other issues in the island that made it harder to spread it as largely as in Dominican Republic and Cuba (or so I've heard). There were more free mixed and blacks than slaves, not to mention that a lot of escaped black slaves from other caribbean colonies under control of other european powers were granted freedom as long as they swore an oath to serve the Spanish Empire. The last year when slavery was abolished, it's estimated that only 12% of the population were slaves, compared to Cuba's 42% of the population (though slavery still persisted unofficially under the "servant" classification until the early 20th century)

>What do you mean? Don't you use the same census form as the US?
Well, yes, and no? The racial censuses I am familiar with only had "white-black-asian-other" IIRC

>Interesting. So do you guys consider Latino a race?
More or less.

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>(asides from the typical racial division and the like)
What do you mean by that?
>so I assume that the system was developed from an already pre-existing caste system in the Aztec/Incan Empire
Hmmm. That seems very far-fetched. Any proofs of that?
>The racial censuses I am familiar with only had "white-black-asian-other" IIRC
Don't you have the Hispanic ethnicity question as well?
Why do Spanish ppl here always deny that white exists in their country but there's a white category in these censuses taken by them?

>What do you mean by that?
You know, the typical stuff. Whites (Peninsulares and Criollos), Mixed, Black and the natives initially before they died out and only left mixed descendants

Hmmm. That seems very far-fetched. Any proofs of that?
None, admittedly, just a theory I have. Wasn't there some sort of class system in Pre-Columbian Mexico? It's not too far-fetched to think they adopted that and simply edited it to put themselves at the top, similarly to how the British did with the caste system on India.

>Don't you have the Hispanic ethnicity question as well?
Generally, it depends, but when it does, it still goes somewhere along the line of "Ok, now choose your other race besides Hispanic".

>Why do Spanish ppl here always deny that white exists in their country but there's a white category in these censuses taken by them?
Maybe they don't have it nowadays, but they definitely implemented that in the Caribbeans. Early records definitely indicate that the conquest was primarily seen as a religious issue at first though (as far as it went anyway), the conquistadors here usually referred to the whole conflict from a christian (us) vs pagans (them) perspective. The first black person they brought here was actually a conquistador (who also later went on to become part of your nation's history as well through the conquest of the aztec empire) before they went on to officially import slavery here, so whichever religious motivations they may have had at first clearly wasn't enough to stop them from having other racially motivated reasons to discriminate other groups. Humans are inheritedly biased after all, so it's fair to say that there was definitely racism in the american conquest.

If they have amerindian blood they are not Latinos. And there are lots of latinos without amerindian blood

Oh, and by what I meant with the racial division is that it didn't really extend that much deeper with the other mixed descendants like you see with the casta system in New Spain, sorry for not clarifying it clear enough.

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He's cute and looks olmec