Getting job as programmer/engineer

I can be into coding as I enjoyed it whenever I did homework. I just never set any goals so I don’t know what to make

yikes
that depends entirely on which area of software engineering youre aiming for
t. embedded systems engineer making €70k annually

Give it up, you're not fooling anyone little guy. You're not gonna make it, this is honest advice, no one else will be this honest so you might as well consider it. If I was going to be harsh I'd just do what I normally do with noobs like you who come into Jow Forums asking the same shit and tell you to kys. Don't know why you thought you'd get anyone on Jow Forums who cared.

How the fuck do you expect to get hired at a decent place with no projects under your belt? Do you even use GitHub?

ill tell you useful stuff for making it in my kind of work
c and/or c++ is essential. not basic knowledge but intermediate at least
some kind of assembly is good to know but not required as youll end up learning enough from watching your debugger
anything object oriented is also good. c++ or python for example
the single best project you can have is a simple (real-time) operative system for any target architecture. but you have to implement everything yourself, i.e. no libraries except the standard ones
you should have basic knowledge of logical electronics and know how to read a fucking datasheet

go for project management

Wisdom:

Never code for someone else
Always manage when employed by a tech company

software is a dead-end career. Do a contingency planned for God's sake.

Formula for freedom (non-SV style)

Work for few years and invest.

L1-level: Do a boring business. Learn how to sale and market. Build up capital at a faster rate. Eschew your TechEgo.

L2-level: With enough capital built-up, go for businesses with bigger capital requirement such as profitable franchise / car-wash. Use leverage given the low risk of the business.

L3-level: Moonshots. Tech or Biotech. Product based. Most of the VC-induced SV brainwash happen at this level. If you have already reached here, congrats - you don't have to wageslave again (irrespective of LINK's price at 2020).

Actual skilled dev bachelor here. I always had shit grades but it doesn't matter - I'm in the top 10% in terms of dev speed and quality.

Lemme tell you a story: I once was looking for a job (I was a noob) and then some german car company wanted to have some completly new super awesome 3D touch interface for their car. It was so hard to do for them that they outsourced it. Literally a billion dollar company couldn't find anyone capable of doing what they want.
So I was like "ye bros I can do this if you give me the design". I did it together with a game company which made the design and I earned a ton of money. A friend of mine wanted to code it with me but he threw after 3 months because he was unable to fix his errors. I fixed all of his errors after he was gone and coded the rest in 12/hrs/day in the remaning 3 months.

I landed this job because I had a lot of code demos which I have done privatly.

Moral of the story: Make yourself a git repo, make some conceptual impressing projects, attach your repo to your application

Just give up OP, you will never understand programming if you do it for money. You're competing against passionates who love coding, and you won't ever understand programming at the same level if you don't start spending 10h/day programming softwares.

Source : I'm autistic passionnate programmer

Programming is fucking pajeet tier anyway

I don’t Program because I have no vision. Ive already said that I enjoy doing it but have no idea what to do. Pls give suggestions

And let it be something that is basic yet fundamental. Not like “make a program that emulates CERN’s particle trajectories” or “make your own blockchain”
Ergo, ask me to replicate your babby’s early projects

fags with this attitude are cancer. we get it, you have no life and so pride yourself on committing every waking hour to your work screen. it's not healthy though and you aren't a better programmer for it. guys like you are shit to work with.

source: senior dev whose been doing this a long time. over the years I've had a few personal projects that I got really into after work, but most of the time I'm not coding in my free time. Most of us have a life and family. The expectation that you have to give up everything to succeed in this industry is a toxic myth that only the bitter and lonely autists support.

Make Anime real.

Hearing this makes me feel a lot better and confident in my abilities. Threads like these always make me a little anxious.

It's better to listen to guys like this who claim you need you need to be born as the reincarnation of Donald Knuth, and disprove the Riemann hypothesis by your late teens. It'll help you not be disappointed.

Thanks for uplifting my confidence
Now, would you be a nice guy and maybe suggest me some additional literature to read on and some advice to improve my coding skills?
I think I said it wrong earlier that my coding skills are beginner level. I can easily make a linked-list class, a merge-sort class, shortest-path class, some simple GUI solutions and so on, which is a little bit more than “Hello world” or initializing an array

Op ur gon get screwed

Just so you know, there are plenty of jobs in IT, you don't need to be in development after you graduate.

It doesn’t matter if you’re good or not. Only your grades matter to get hired by some giant Corp with great benefits and all you do is warm a chair.

kek this is actually true OP

OP is brazilian, like me, he said on another post.

With this fact on your mind you can do 3 things:
-Be a man and open a business
-Suffer and get low paid as everybody
-Work for me in the future

One of these 3 things will happen.

Listen up faggot. I'm gonna help you out.

In case you dont know already, $100k will only be possible if you are living in the larger tech hubs like SF and NYC and $100k in these will literally get you a closet.

Yes, right now you dont mean shit to employers with your current skillset. Companies are more lenient with someone that knows a little bit of everything when hiring for intern positions, but when it comes to full time positions out of school, they dont care about where you got your skills, they just want to know you have them and currently as it stands you dont have them.

Here's my recommendation. Try getting an internship asap. If you find that you are having trouble there because of no responses, then build a portfolio of projects to put on your resume. 3 web apps min. The first will be a bitch to put together, but things will slowly start to make sense. With a few strong internships under your belt, finding a fulltime position should be a piece of cake. Good luck user.

He is brazilian, user.

Things are different here.

I’m not that guy you’re talking about. I can prove that I’m a scandycuck

I don’t ask to get a $100k job. Just asking those who earn such as they must be very experienced to be paid such thus being able to give good advice so I can follow their footsteps

Right now we’re having Networking classes so I might earn some experience on that. Problem is: I have no idea what purpose or function a webapp I would develop should have...

Not gonna make it.

:(

I just have no sense of direction. I don’t want to develop something that already exists in heaps unless that’s exactly what you suggest me to do

>I have no idea what purpose or function a webapp I would develop should have...

Don't worry, none of the braindead drones you'll be around will either. Everyone just waits around for someone to tell them what to do.

The school system has turned this country into a bunch of teet sucking soul-less parasites with no ideas.

Start with learning how to build a web page, and so learn languages like html, css, javascript/jquery. Then learn how to host your web page, you can look into things like Amazon's AWS web hosting.

Learn Go lang.

/thread

Low IQ

Exactly you dont fucking listen. I just literally gave you a step by step run down on how to make it and you come back with some whiny bullshit like "but i duno how 2 do dat". I'm done.

golang is actually a really nice lang desu. pretty sure its going to become the defacto backend for enterprise webservers.

All I can think of is games but that won’t be interesting on a resume

There's a pretty big market for games which involve undressing Anime girls.

There are internships that I can apply through the uni for partnered companies but that’s not until last year. I still want a nice resume, and your suggestion of apps seems reasonable. Right now I don’t know what to develop yet but that might come through eventually

Btw, is it true that most iOS apps are written in Swift and not C# anymore?

Just apply to the internships and get the internships (with big name companies, forget shit no one’s heard of) with your good grades. You will probably be doing boring coding stuff you can Google the answer for at best or being an office admin/coffee getter at worst. Either way HR brainlets will be impressed. HR idiots reading your GitHub ha! (wuss dat? U delivery driver 4 grubhub? Is dat like uber? lolol) gtfo with that shit. Just look good on transcript work history and look good in a suit/business casual for interviews. That’s all.

what skills do you need to learn to be a embedded systems engineer?
t. computer engineering student

golang, javascript, solidity

Take microcontroller class then ASIC class and FPGA class. Then move to Taiwan and make less than manager at Taco Bell.

I just know some basic FPGA programming in VHDL, like making a traffic light work and morse code reader
Is this bretty gud?

Being autistic is one extreme, but being someone who works only for the money is another. We have a ton of people like that in software development and they're all Chinese and Indians. Chinese and Indians work the job because it's a way to survive. They don't find joy in it, they treat it as a chore, and they loath it. The right mentality is to do it because that is success for you (both financially and personally). He's not wrong when he says the best programmers are the ones that are autistic. You don't have to be the best programmer though. Just going home and thinking about your project in the back of your head is a good sign you're a productive and worthwhile developer as well. Doesn't mean you have to give up your weekends though.

Learn to program dee.ze and you will blow the other applicants to hell

Depends what you want. If you want to do FPGA shit at Nvidia or Apple or something you need high grades in classes relevant to that. If you never took a class and did well, may as well forget it. Or just apply to companies that have FPGA jobs in every position as possible, work there and hope you get assigned to it. (Unlikely) I knew a guy who made a fucking GPU as a project at university and got a plaque from and project management job at Nvidia before he even finished undergrad. (Yes he was Chinese). He didn’t care wanted to be PhD at a university so he wouldn’t have to lift a finger.

shit. that's probably better than making 270$/month in my country.

Good points. I also find it amusing the people who view it as a “job” regardless of country tend to be more competent (and more tolerable to work with) than fucking Neckbeard autists.

Do the job well (unless the MO of your organization is to not give a fuck) but don’t be a fucking anal retentive douche, nobody likes that shit.

Yes in China/Taiwan/Korea they make like 3000 USD a month, the people who design CPUs and GPU, they have a masters degree lulz. In the USA a manager at a fast food chain who barely can read makes about that. (Maybe more)

I think the idea is not so much him looking down on people, but the fact that if you program to make money and don't put in the time, practice, and continued education, you will never compete with passionate people that do put in the hours. It's easier to be successful if you're passionate about the work because it's such a grind that takes constant learning and practice as technology changes.

>I never programmed prior to Uni, I do not code in my free time
never gonna make it brah

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You posted here a week ago with the same bullshit. Again, code in your own time. Develop an actual valuable skill

I too got a computer engineering degree with top grades.
Ive been programming since middle school and have a large amount of experience.
I can program almost anything, but I specialize in embedded firmware.
I stack boxes in a warehouse for a living.

>Assuming you are some software developer or engineer earning over $100k, what more would I need to do and learn to become very attractive on this job marked?
switch majors before its too late.

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This is pretty much it. People who tend to get paid well as programmers tend to have a thirst for it. They like solving these kind of problems so they continue with their education. People who do it as a job just learn as much as necessary to get into a comfy salary. They don't grow and so they eventually become obsolete.

Maybe it's because those guys have actual communication skills.

What the fuck user explain yourself

Everyone and their grandmas lap dog has a computer degree these days.
It was where the money was, so everyone jumped into it and now the market is flooded.

Like I said, if you make your resume something that was niche or outsourced to Asia nearly wholesale, you’re in for a bad time.

The only way you’re making it in embedded shit is either in defense (brainlet central) or you’re some MIT 4.0 GPA genius who gets hired by Nvidia to verify work they already outsourced.

what is with this fixation on software

how come no one is interested in hardware?

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OP, I know your feels LITERALLY *exactly*:

My mom pulled some strings to get me into the beginner Python programming club in my middle school, when I was in 6th grade (like this user )
(was because I was t. gifted&talented program cuck, etc)

And also had a long text conversation the other day with an old buddy of mine who was in the Electrical Engineering program with me at college, which I graduated with a Bachelors in last year. He hated EE and so got a software engineering internship at a company that ended up hiring him full-time, but his programming skills were basically fucked in the beginning. So, as he told me when I asked for general advice, he made it by strapping the fuck in and giving himself a crash course on self-learning literally everything. Particularly, he said the key thing that drove him more than anything was a fear of failure, that he wouldn't learn what he needed to fast enough, and the company would fire him or something.

Anyway, the more & more I talked to him, I could tell his thing was that "you gotta learn programming the HARD way, like me! If you don't do everything from the ground up and master the basics before going to the next level, you're as good as shit on my boot and should kill yourself before attempting to start", and so on.

I appreciated that perspective but I tried to communicate to him that I think I have a very different learning style, and have been coding in some capacity since I was a kid, and though I never had the patience or incentive to sit and complete any real pet projects from start to finish, I did simply want to get hired, if I possibly could, by any company that would take a chance on me and my diverse-but-raw-and-undeveloped programming skills. Then I could at least pay the bills (even if I were to accept a much lower starter salary at first, which I'd totally be willing to do) and from there, fill in my knowledge gaps as I go.

(cont., hold on)

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Wtf man, computer engineers can apply for CS jobs and some EE jobs as well. You've literally got more hiring room than CS brainlets.

Well, he did not like any of that one bit. So our conversation unfortunately ended a bit abruptly with him telling me that he gave me advice but that he knew I probably wouldn't take it.
Actually ended up sounding ridiculously similar to this user

I think there's some truth to both these guys' hardball advice... I do like this in particular. It's pretty close to what my buddy was telling me to do first, so I think you & I might benefit from tackling the bare basics of setting up a web site, inside & out. And then, everything else will follow. It seems to me, judging from my crawling job postings around my city lately, that most companies are gonna need some measure of webdevshit experience as a preliminary requirement, at least.

I've personally been wanting to buy my own domain just for my own purposes, to set up a personal site that looks good to employers and that I could put on a business card or something. Google Domains (or whatever it's called) sells em for $12/mo, so once I settle on what I want my domain to actually be I was planning on just scooping up one of those and then bunker down autistically and go to town googling the best/simplest ways to take those raw materials of just a domain and server space, and turn it into a snazzy site for myself.

I assume you, like myself, are someone who tends to be exceedingly self-taught and so don't have the patience to grind out increasingly complex (and increasingly boring) iterations of Hello World programs in every language you can find a tutorial for, just to "get the basics down" as the other anons have suggested.

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***$12/year, sorry

It's a no-brainer deal, super cheap way to invest in a way to organically grow your skills with a real-world project that will benefit you hugely if you do it well.

>someone with a job gives him advice
>turns it down and does whatever he wants and still doesn't have a job
the absolute state of biz

Because the ROI is shit on hardware. Risk is high reward is low.

>go to cheap in-state university
>get big engineering scholarships because in-demand
>graduate to stable pay and good benefits

...what risk?? what constitutes "high" reward?

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We're trying to figure it out, hence this thread, niggerfaggot. Off yourself

>If you haven't made it all by yourself yet, then you're doing something wrong! You don't want it enough! You don't need motivation, you need discipline!
>Listen to this specific advice that allowed me to make it in my particular case and individual circumstances, thus it will be perfectly applicable and suitable for you as well, because it worked for me!
>What, you mean you aren't sure whether or not you want to drop everything and immediately invest the large amount of energy I'm suggesting you need to put into this by doing it this certain way that I'm sure is the only possible way to achieve the set of goals you have outlined, even though they may differ from my own?
>Well you must be a lazy shit. Don't even bother. Never gonna make it. I gave you advice, but you have personally insulted me by not taking it down to the letter. There is surely no other method by which to attain a similar outcome to myself but in a manner that would be more efficient and require less overall blood sweat & tears than I put in. I worked hard and endured X amount of pain to get to where I am, therefore if you show any reluctance to embark on the same bullshit I went through, you must not be dedicated enough.
> :)

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How do I get the "big engineering scholarships"?

Building new CPU fab (if there is a giant change that requires retooling or a new fab altogether) requires billions of dollars and land and space equipment and dumping cancer in the river all that shit. In China they do and nobody cares and whistleblowers get clipped with support of the state. And you can grind educated people there into dust even more than here. The cucked engineers there working in Asia for Intel or Nvidia or whoever are living at work in hopes of doing the same job in the west under better conditions.

Software, the shit is readily available and all you need is a handful of coders and investors.

Yeah but CS degrees are cucked.

I noticed two of my relatives doing CS degrees and I've never heard them ever talk about computers.

Biotechnology?
I've done 2 years of that so I should be able to start up a company based on that.

>getting this mad

No where in that user's post did he say you have to give up everything. The point of that post was that you need to put in more effort than just going through the motions of passing the courses because you won't learn everything you need to know in college. Putting bare minimal effort in everything will only make you less competitive. You, being a senior dev, should know that.

Elizabeth Holmes did.

If you’re getting good grades and your school is worth a shit, you’re good to go. If you’re playing with A-listers at school and kicking ass you’ll be working at an A-list place. Nobody needs to larp that they’re leet haxor. Neckbearding it up is a meme. Just know fundamentals and how to be resourceful/look shit up.

you have to realize I mean big in the sense that the percentage of tuition it covers is large

my flagship in-state uni cost maybe $10k/year in tuition, so securing even something like $2500/year goes a long way
you do this by getting straight A's in highschool, taking lots of AP's, doing lots of extracurriculars, and scoring high on those admissions tests

small ponds pay good money to retain big fish

by hardware I just meant electrical engineering
there are a LOT more fields than cpu design, I don't really know the state of outsourcing but I'm guessing they really aren't saving much by doing so

Nice black/white thinking you got there. Looks like you got a shitload of stereotypes in your head. It doesn't matter what school you go too if your knowledge/skills aren't up-to-date. Good luck with advancing in your career if you think spending any amount of time outside of work to improve your skillset is "neckbearding".

Well I'm in CC now so I assume a 4.0 would be beneficial. I'm unsure of extracurricular activities but I'll look into that.

I think he was saying HR is superficial so having perfect grades is more important than studying x at home.

Even if you get through HR, you still need to have the skills unless you're some diversity hire.

Reselling hardware has good ROI if you are in sales/pre-sales position. Negotiate big enough deal, and vendor will give you mad discounts.

If I'm married to a guy will I be a diversity hire? Will I be first priority over the other str8 white males. I think the list goes like:

>Black female trans
>black female
>black
>white female trans
>white female
>white male trans
>gay white male
>white male

He was talking about designing hardware.

>He was talking about designing hardware.
I think the only way to make it profitable (apart from stumbling upon some genius breakthrough) is to have a gov/mil connections - make something generic but get all clearances and certifications so you can sell it to customers which require such clearances (for example rugged military network switches).

Do not jeopardize your 4.0. If any activity is taking away your ability to get high marks, dump that activity. A 3.0 and a 4.0 is like the difference of decades worth of salary and promotions.

Thank you.

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Tits or get bitch

I don't understand why this is difficult to comprehend, are you a fucking third worlder or something?

you get your degree
you go to your school's career fair
you talk to some booths
you get some internships over the summer
you graduate
you apply to a company
you get a job

Lol.
Ironically third worlders/Asians are woke af. They have no illusions of meritocracies. I remember in engineering school various Asians nervously rattling off GPA and income related stats. They know that shit by heart.

The Chinese were always reading HOW TO GET INTO GOOGLE/ENGINEERING GRAD SCHOOL books that were printed by the millions from China.

They get hired there too and are most grad students in STEM. Working the system is like 90% of life.

Yes and if it’s a truly good job your irl work will keep you busy/learning enough/teaching yourself at work that you have growing and transferable skills. A-players don’t hand-hold/spoon feed you everything. This will be so natural to you that getting fired isn’t a concern. I know people who get poached/job offers without even applying or having LinkedIn/career profile shit. They just find you the same way debt collectors would except they’re trying to give you money. There’s no way they know you’re “current” on some piece of tech etc. It all started with high grades, reputable company blah blah blah.

Ok listen up lil sweet baby boy you're a lil fish in a big ass ocean. You're gonna have to BLOATMAXXX. I know you don't understand but you're gonna have to live it. Stop coming to this website start spending all your free time coding learning code and solving coding questions. You're gonna be a shitboy unless you LIVE IT. You can make it boy but your gonna have to get your butthole tight and scrunchy. I believe in you.

codecademy.com/learn/learn-ruby
ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
leetcode.com/problemset/all/
codecademy.com/learn/learn-python

Learning a specific language is a waste of fucking time. Learn whatever language your project requires whether it be hobby or work.

The dude who made Diablo didn’t make anything in C until he made Diablo. Lol.

Python or Java is good for illustrating OOP, CS concepts etc tho.

Computer engineer =/= computer science.

There's more hardware work involved.

Some places care more that you can talk to people, some care more about your technical skills (you will find out in the interview based on how hard the technical questions are).

Look up jobs like you actually are going to apply then find out how to be qualified for the ones you like. Even if all you have is side projects tailored for the job it beats shooting the breeze.

Remember to learn at least one new skill a year even outside of school. If you can't fool around with tech outside of work hours then you will eventually become obsolete.

>codecademy
kys