How much do they matter socially?
I kinda already /made it/ with Crypto as i invested everything i earned and used to get paid in BTC/ETH on runescape back in the day.
Just wondering if a degree is worth pursuing even if financially it might not make a big difference ( setting up own business already have a skill i can use if i want).
Everyone always asks me where i graduated from, kinda annoying, and a lot of women expect it.
No one is going to say shit once you mention you run a company that makes you money.
you wont believe the snotty views some have about it
well then you wouldn't want to be around those people anyway
>actually giving a shit about what pleb normies say when you "run your own business" and "made it in crypto"
you definitely will never make it.
Women hold degrees in high regard when choosing a partner
Why not OP? You have nothing to lose. If I were you i'd learn guitar and painting.
who gives a fuck faggot
I think it's worth it. There are other ways of getting the prestige but they're much harder, degree is easily the cheapest and safest way of getting status.
Also if you ever run out of money it's pretty much mandatory for most decent jobs.
I've got 10 btc and have accepted I'll be able to retire in 5 years but want to actually be respectable instead of new money trash
Sounds like you are feeling some knid of way about it. If that's something you need to do to feel validated then go get a degree.
Having a degree will be a point of shame and embarrassment in a few years and already is in many high achieving social circles. It’s basically a piece of paper saying you got scammed. People will begin pretending they didn’t attend, weren’t dumb enough to fall for it, etc.
This is just pure bullshit
etoncollege.com
This is the best school in the uk and a lot of people here will never have to work, yet they all go anyway almost certainly cause their parents emphasise its important.
I’m talking about in the US obviously, only place that matters. Rest of world will follow.
Fair amount. A lot of places are now at the point where it you don't have a degree it's the akin to not finishing high school
I've lived in both countries..... the uk is far less snobby about it than America. The earnings difference for people with degrees and without is also far smaller
>less snobby
Pretty much my point, in America it’s a social signal and it will flip entirely. It’s like an Herbalife coach with 3k inventory they couldn’t sell, you act like it never happened. No one wants to say they fell for a scam.
Have you got any evidence of it being a scam?
>the more intelligent and hard-working you are the more you earn
See how that graph works?
Are you really saying it's nothing to do with the piece of paper?
I've been to shithole schools and top unis.... it's hugely down to your secondary/high school instead of just how intelligent and motivated you are.
I can't wait until you zoomies run out of money and are trying to get normal jobs
>do they even know I "made it" already
You must be talking about GVT, genesis vision
Or as some would argue it to be recognized as "Satoshi's true vision" buy now b4 30eom
Degrees are a giant meme for the most part, sauce pls
Women expect it? Rofl. Ok guy. Newsflash: this is YOUR life. You can do whatever the fuck you want. If you want a degree, go get a fucking degree. If not, then don't. Holy fuck. Tfw letting a woman control your one and only life.
>used to get paid in BTC/ETH on runescape back in the day.
no you didnt. stay in school. your internet coins will be worthless soon enough
lmao you're a fucking loser
Important until you have a few years experience and then all that matters is your experience. Generally speaking.
I don't like your chart.
Is it an average or median?
Look at this one. More accurate.
>only includes people above 25 years of age who earn a full-time wage or salary
So it excludes a lot of self-employed people, and it doesn't discount for student loans and the opportunity cost of having to start a real job several years later because you are studying for years.
I think the difference is overstated and charts like yours imply having a degree is a golden ticket, rather than actually being good at something.
>No one is going to say shit once you mention you run a company that makes you money.
If you got all it takes for running even a small firm that is. (at the very least high IQ and conscientiousness and/or luck)
>I think the difference is overstated
Literally earning double. Student loans are pathetically small in comparison and cause you're earning double it pays itself of in 4 years.
> How much do they matter socially?
Only to normies. Intelligent and successful people realize that intelligence is genetic and that degrees for the most part are just expensive and drawn out IQ tests.
There are many reasons why you shouldn't get a degree.
> Everyone always asks me where i graduated from, kinda annoying, and a lot of women expect it.
Firstly, getting a degree to fit in socially is retarded. Normies are absolute dumpsters of culture. To most normies "sleeves" or arm tattoos are considered good taste. Recreational drug use and porn are considered acceptable and fine. As you see its not worth the money, time or effort to appease literal retards. You shouldn't look to fit with these people rather to exploit them.
Secondly, colleges have become a complete joke. There are so many colleges out there that will admit anyone. Unless you're getting your degree in a respectable field from tier 1 university in that field then it doesn't show anything. You would be showing commitment but you can show commitment by going to the gym regularly.
Universities have no shame in offering degrees in education, psychology, social work, museum studies, and other retarded subjects which should be a sign to anyone with a brain that is a scam. The woman who looks down on you for not having one is probably a holder of a worthless degree herself. I mean you probably have no idea what a joke higher education has become. When you start admitting anyone and everyone naturally standards have to be dropped to accommodate the lower average IQ. Even STEM hasn't been spared. With the lax admission rules, affirmative action and women in STEM initiative even science/engineering degrees have become watered down where its now come to a point where even math degrees offer algebra. Which 50 years ago would have been a prereq/i.e assumed knowledge.
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Imagine if you be went to the beach with her she just swallowed some seawater and it acted as a laxative and she had anal leakage. Haha. And she asked you to put sunscreen on her. And you put it on her butt and it mixed with the leakage. Haha. Imagine the smell. That would be crazy dude haha. So weird sorry I'm just really random sometimes.
Now if you want to get one because your finances permit it then either study something that relates to the field you're working in. I mean actually relates to it. Like engineering. Not management, not business. These are worthless degrees for dumb people.
Or you want to get one in say philosophy then seriously reconsider it because college is becoming more and more expensive. But if you want to go then find a cheap but good state university with a good offerings of electives.
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I have a ssociates in enfineering from a comnunity college and i must say im glad i do. I think that says im more capable then most people with a bachelors in liberal arts and shit and it only cost me like 10k. Im making 10k extra a year now because of it i believe. College is ameme but it depends what ya wanna do.
Because they're indebted and because their college professors, who time and time again confess what they teach is utter dumb downed 8 grader bullshit, have fanned their egos.
The UK is the worst for degree snobbery. Employers would rather hire an arts graduate from Oxford for an engineering role then an engineering graduate from a tier 3 school.
There's nothing wrong with that, at all.
Also I should mention in the uk the earnings difference is NOTHING like , and hence the snobbery isn't the same
It's very noticeable but it's not like america where people with degrees actively look down on people without. Sure some middle class drones do this but it's not common cause it just doesn't make as bigger difference in earnings here.
If you're either too poor or too stupid to get a degree then you're human trash.
Every respectable man should hold some degree relating to the STEM fields
forbes.com
The million dollar difference meme is BS.
Further proof you're retarded. College tuition fees have only been on the increase and the retard mentality of just get a degree means people invest time, effort and money into something pointless.
I disagree. If you're not using that knowledge then what is the point? I understand if OP or someone wants to do it for intellectual fulfillment but to me it doesn't mean much.
> There's nothing wrong with that, at all.
Which means you contradicted yourself.
More arguments against the million dollar pay difference meme
>The million dollar difference meme is BS.
It says right there it's true, and then he tries to spin it down to motivation, work ethic etc. In reality whether you go or not is just how good your parents are since anyone can go to a shitty college.
Oxford arts grad is going to be smarter than engineering grad from some shitty uni. They'll learn in a few years.
> Oxford arts grad is going to be smarter than engineering grad from some shitty uni. They'll learn in a few years.
I agree in a lot of cases this is true.
Yes. However, there is a thing called social status which only autists ignore. Maybe it is not required, but if getting one will only improve my life without much drawback why the fuck not
Oh shit op you're one of those temporarily rich people. Go right ahead and get yourself a degree in African studies.
agree almost entirely. All i am saying is that I am in a position to gain the status from it, why not. It might even make navigating the normies that much easier. Its called leverage.
I get it, a man should do what he wants and not care about others, but if you descend into that thinking too much like many on here do, you only become an outcast rather than an individualist.
I'm around 130 IQ, not an idiot, can do without one. The world exists on Status symbols though. that is literally all it is. signaling. There are many ways to do it.
I have a stem degree I seriously wouldn't look down on you.
Lol no. it will be in Business. im interested in it.
lmao no one is going to know about your degree status except when you post it on facebook or some shit
just tell people you have a business degree you'll never have to show them anything you idiot
Bad idea. What would you be studying? The only worthwhile degrees are accounting and finance. Accounting is saturated and you can just pay someone to do it for you. If you're going to major in accounting because your business will need an accountant then you might as well double major in custodial sciences because you'll need a janitor too.
Unless you're running some sort of finance firm then sure. Economics has no employment prospects you have to go get a Masters and PhD and then you're only prospects are government work.
lmao you're actually autistic as fuck, good luck with life
Fucking kek at OP being this much of an insecure brainlet, go to the library if you're interested in something, dumbass. Muh status.
I did consider this earlier lol. The thing is, i havent actually been. You have this experience, I do not. People dont notice? cool
I am business minded, just like to learn theory for its own sake and get the paper. Finance was also on my mind but i doub ti will get a job in it after, like i said, i got a business and skill already, its just intellectual fulfillment and for the status. would prefer not to get something useless which is why i wont do philosophy even though i love it.
Dont underestimate social signaling. stay blue pilled.
Its like BTC. You start blue pilled thinking its a ponzi and stay away. after going through the fire you have the exact same conclusion but know how to leverage the fuck out the knowledge and make money from it.
Maybe degree isn't necessary, loads of ways to do this, just one I would consider
>being this insecure
people won't stop complaining until you have a PhD, so why bother?
Why are you posting this in every thread faggot
im not knowledgeable enough to comment on PHD.
bachelors, as far as education go, is like biggest bang for buck i suppose. diminishing returns substantial going for more
Join a university, stay a semester, leave, and then tell everyone who asks you're a college dropout who made it on it's own like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. More impressive story than any degree.
I get the feeling that your social group is a bunch of weeding smoking gamer normie faggots. And they're pressuring you to going to college because they feel contempt for you. Even though they themselves are dumbasses.
Exactly OP what are you going to do when Dale your dumbo friend gets his PhD in education adminstration?
I can’t afford NOT to join!
Can i get the photo where the chick is gagging now?
Not at all. I am from the UK btw, there is a snobbery about it. Also, wondering about international things. If i did try to grow my business or workoutside this shithole
Hi OP, British fag here. I am currently sitting in the toilet of my university, after being here for 5 years, studying a PhD, and I unironically hate it. Have my own biz and many things in the pipeline but the only reason I don't quit is because I don't want to tell people I quit. Don't do something just for the sake of it. I come from a working class area and always thought having an education would be great but I find myself consistently seeking out normal people to spend my time with because they're down to earth and funny. Most uni students these days are SJW losers, all of the UK units are breeding grounds for socialist shite, and it's a massive waste of money. Universities are a Ponzi scheme and a daycare for adults.
Sometimes I sit in this toilet so long the sensor lights go out and I'm left in utter darkness.
T. Postgraduate
PHD meme. everyone apart from 3 people i know who did one hates life.
those 3 all got one in Exercise science and have their own business
>Performing mental gymnastics this hard in order to justify your insecurity
Enjoy wasting your money on your 'status symbol'. Blue pilled brainlet, kek.
define "your own business" because if you were making good money you wouldn't be asking this question.
Autism intensifies.
this is only true in scammer anti-intellectual circles. look at buffet. all he does it study and it's the only thing he suggests: study.
interesting. my buddy moved here from the UK because she hated the huge inequality in the UK. upward mobility doesn't exist there like it does here in the US.
> this is only true in scammer anti-intellectual circles. look at buffet. all he does it study and it's the only thing he suggests: study.
personal study != forking over thousands of dollars to be spoon feed a watered down syllabus
why would you waste money and time just to look good for poor normies?
Someone who gets it. Social class is a real thing in the UK. its debated if you cane even leave it. born into it forever.
I'm working class background, call me a snob idgaf, it's all intellectualism, low quality women mostly and something i want to climb out of. Degree is absolutely part of that here.
I have my sights on global life though, unsure if degree is seen the same around the world.
sure, but where else are you going to get the TIME to study like that on loans that have no interest? as a poorfag, college was amazing. pell grants gave me 5 years (double major, math and computer science) to live life for the first time and learn as much as possible. solo and in classes.
Look at all the status-lets ITT kek
>Tfw I will be getting a PhD in biomedical sciences in 2-3 years at a prestigous institution
>Tfw I've been painting as a hobby since undergrad and have published a couple of my works at various galleries.
>Tfw bitches I bang think I'm a sophisticated intellectual elite just from these two things alone
Get at my level fags
Depends on your social circle.
Degrees are important, don't let NEETs and poltards on /biz tell you othertwise. I did mine in electrical engineering, and minored in languages, had a great time (lots of chicks studying french and italian), made friends. If I had the money I'd do the whole thing abroad but I didnt back in the day. Basically it was worth it for me.
that is because they picked a dead end degree and are jealous you have the initiative to do something with your life
if you are set with money, I would say go to school if it is interesting to you.
Just like working out, just like making money, just like hobbies, and everything else you do: don't pour time into things because of other people.
There are interesting things to learn about in college. You can try to enroll in a nearby community college and just take classes that interest you, whether it is one or two per year.
Or not. Especially if you have money and don't need the degree, you are in a great position to get a lot out of education. If you don't like a class/professor, you can just stop going.
'how much does it matter socially' -> it doesn't. you matter, your time matters. learning matters.
level headed answer, thanks
>Pathetic loser detected who thinks degrees impress anyone of value.
Top kek. If these are your most impressive accomplishments you’ll be at the top of the middle class, impressive.