Rip link

Guy is horny for milfs and is only creating enigma so that he can cuck the world anonymously (his email was exposed by Ashley Madison hack and is cited as being what inspired him, I’m not joking).

NOT. FUCKING. SELLING.

But that doesn't make sense...

TLS is an encryption protocol between point A and point B. Okay, so you can't leverage TLS between API and smart contract. His response doesn't explain at all how enigma nodes could possibly serve to actually solve the oracle problem - which is that relying on finite data providers that are centralized is a point of failure. It has little, if anything, to do with what encryption protocol the data is being sent through.....

Weak fud and terrible response from developer.

LINK is shit

Oh shit, it usually takes 2 hours after news breaks on here for the price to tank.

I’ve just sold and I’ll buy back in when it bottoms out.

People were counting on Enigma to work with link

how do links tards do it? just hold shit coins for months and months with no gains

This response shows the dev has no understanding what Chainlink is / does. You need a seperate network of verifiers for a decentralized environment. Is enigma even blockchain agnostic?

Haha I can sense trembling in your typing.

Reading more into this, it looks like this 'feature' is restricted to data already existing in the context of the enigma network - NOT for data streams outside of the network (e.g. 99.999% of data accessible via API in current infrastructure)

Essentially, he's saying that "it's better than decentralized oracles, as long as you're getting the data from another application on the enigma network - if you want data from elsewhere, then you're fucked!"

Can someone refute this? I'm literally shaking right now.
>t. 1k LINK owner

No you’re just upset you didn’t accumulate at lower prices. That’s not my fault... that’s you being an utter faggot sitting in your discord channels shaking trying to produce any article to make people question their investments.

Exactly.

Enigma isn't centralized, though. He clearly states that Enigma will have nodes which basically act as decentralized oracles.

Caltech math grad here, srs.

Don't overrate autists wisdom/intuition outside of their narrow skill set (in this case, coding).

There's no tech solution that can just be closed up to get "rid" of the need for decentralized Oracles. An entire market place (providers and consumers of data) needs to be boostrapped along with the tech.

A healthy, decentralized, free market for data is the most important component of the decentralized Oracle problem, not the tech itself.

This is something that an autist like vitalik will also miss and underestimate the importance of. Trust me I've been around these people long enough.

But look in the business world and guys have better inution that you need a massive market for the defentralized data to become trustworthy

*Coded

>Caltech math grad here, srs.

Is Math worth perusing as a hobby?

Yes, and it's this kind of maximalist thinking that needs to disappear. Legacy systems are not going to go away overnight, it will be a long and careful process as the benefits and efficiencies of blockchain are explored, tested and integrated. And of course, blockchain isn't needed for every situation. It's more of an added layer. Decentralised oracles are the missing piece.

Depends how autistic you are. If you're not completely fucked up then no, it's not.

Only math that interests me these days is the work being done on bulletproof encryption

>tfw hold 5k enigma and 4k link
what do boys?

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After studying the crypto market you find out some things are more of a "scam" than other things. Usually the biggest scams are the ones that are mainly promises with no actual technology. These "projects" usually talk a big talk, but have almost no major tech or patents to speak of. This means you're basically selling nothing but promises

The less proof you have of something, the harder it is to "deny" it. This is why real crypto-currencies live or die by their tokenomics and such. With chainlink, its a token with a big MAYBE of a bright future, based purely on it doing a job that 10 other companies and 10 other crypto projects will be competing to do. This "token" has ZERO fucking use case.

If you're still here thinking some fat philosophy major with his tiny team will make any real difference in an industry that is highly cutthroat.... We'll you're either some non-tech brained idiot following the flock, or you're so deep into this bullshit that you have to keep shilling and nobody will be able to help you see the truth.

Honestly, I see the game being played, and when low IQ "fudders" come out and talk shit, I can see how easily you guys can be the "bigger man". But sadly, as someone who is a fundamental investor and who actually understands and lives and breaths technology, I cant help but laugh at you guys every time I see these threads.

The picture you posted is the perfect representation of a Chainlink holder. drooling over a future that is nothing more than a fantasy in his head, constantly reinforced by the most obvious pajeet shills I have ever seen on this board.

God Help all you sad little Linkies.

> But sadly, as someone who is a fundamental investor and who actually understands and lives and breaths technology, I cant help but laugh at you guys every time I see these threads.

t. i work for a cyber-techno machinations company

as always a lot of talk and no action, great arguments there
you sound suspiciously butthurt for someone who claims to be superior to anyone. Typical no linker faggot gettng mad and scared that others will make money on something he doesn't like/understand.

Read Lockhearts Lament. If that interests you, yes.

I collected bugs when everybody else was playing playstation as a child and memorized facts about komodo dragons then I would do presentations about it at school without being assigned a presentation. If the teachers wouldn't let me do a presentation I would get my mother to call the school principle. I failed out of college because I was assigned the leviathan by Thomas Hobbes and just sat in my room trying to derive meaning from it and just stopped going to class or tests. I have a hot girlfriend so I don't really know if I am autistic enough. I know I am not smart enough for real high level stuff but would like to know more about cryptography.

Will do.

>being this delusional

have you stopped to think that youre just a fucking drop out that knows nothing about any of this and youre just investing in chainlink out of faith? just fucking admit that you dont know anything about this. have you stopped to think that maybe the countless people fudding are engineers from MIT that know what they are talking about? your fucking delusion will be the end of you holy shit imagine being this blind to the truth

>token has zero use case
>10 other companies competing to do this use case

Which is it brainlet

t. actually someone involved in crypto not armchair crypto 'research'

MIT engineers would be too wrapped upin thinking about their projects to try to figure out Link completely, much less FUD about it. Nice try.

On the contrary I work for the worlds biggest CRM software provider and was originally contacted on twitter by Jow Forums users to find out if my company was going to use CL (its how I found out about this place haha)

It lead me to ask around in my work place and I even sent a few emails to the head office in San Francisco and the tech bosses there don’t know anything about it. My contact in HQ would know if they were using an oracle.

I’m now invested in Link and hope to be rich but it won’t be through my org using it.

I love the fact that he understands it's about chainlink

devs think decentralized oracles = chainlink
do smart money think the same?

If you have to ask then no. Same applies to programming.

1) MIT Blockchain projects dont play nice with **anyone**. They say they go about their buisness explicitly does not foster collaboration. Because of this they will suffer more as they are excluded from the playground as outcasts.

2) Guy Zyskind is a jew, what can you expect.

Trust me, this says more about Enigma than it does about Chainlink. This isn't the first emerging standard the MIT Crypto Conglomerate has thumbed their nose out of arrogance.

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holy fuck where can i sell my LINK NOW?!?!?!

and where can i buy this ENG? wtf yolu assholes never told me about this?!?!

Are they even planning to use blockchain at all? I'm curious about what the larger corporates think about implementing blockchain solutions.

Who can say where the road goes
Where the day flows, only time

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Yeah they actually announced a blockchain investment at the main conference recently. I would say it is a hesitant ‘testing of the water’ though.

The investment was peanuts compared to our annual turnover

I-is this pasta user?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

yea, what this guy said

imagine thinking this is bearish for link and not for enigma

>Be ENG devs
>Miss major deadlines
>Pee pee poo poo we do oracles too even though we cant even do our own project and still don't know how our incentivisation will work.
Meanwhile the Link fags smash every single deadline to FUCKING SHREADS

I looked it up and you're right. Fucking kek.

>Ashley Madison hack
kek
medium.com/crypt-bytes-tech/ico-alert-enigma-hacked-77e851ba3006

just look at the enigma whitepaper to see why he states this. He's not claiming that you won't need chainlink for any use case ever, he's just saying that his own little project (which is only private computation on data that stays secret) supposedly doesn't need it.

No. Is it that bad?

It’s really low what you faggots are trying to do to people

>600 HINDERED THOUSANDS dollars

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TLS also provides proof of identity via certificates' chain of trust. But that still doesn't solve the oracle problem for highly valued smart contracts, nor does it solve cross chain data transfer. Are they retarded?

secret.... conracts....

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I've been telling a tonne of brainlet fuckers on here every single day that ChainLink makes no fucking sense from a technical standpoint but most people here don't know a damn thing about technology or how the internet works all they understand is fucking memes and high thread frequency=gud. I tried to tell you to just ditch the bags and move on. I'm sick of seeing chainlink shit on this board it's the longest running scam I've ever seen here.

Checked

will this scam ever end

As long as we keep India connected to the internet, no. Don't forget that penny cryptos are the only things they can afford, movements of 5c/p can make them rich enough to buy a whole toilet.

This makes sense. The issue of ‘why do we need decentralized oracles’ basically boils down to: bc otherwise people could attack the data source and fake trigger contracts to make money. But, if you don’t know how the contract is set up, you don’t know what data sources it’s using/aggregating, or when. This kind of sounds like ‘security through obscurity’ though. But it’s a viable approach that totally bypasses link.

Link don't set deadlines

> are they retarded?
Nah, this fud is actually a bit more clever and believable than the lenocinium / astraea bullshit. Enigma is a good project with a solid team and from what I remember (from a larp where an user at the very least had a legitimate press pass to one of the conferences so take it with a grain of salt) they actually respect the quality of the ChainLink whitepaper and think it is one of the most well-written ones out there. Enigma is a really strong smartcontract privacy option, but only once the data has been brought onto their chain. It's possible that Enigma could be used as an additional security layer for extremely high-value contracts, but CL would still be needed to actually bring the data in regardless.
That being said, still a retarded comment from the dev. Also note that they still haven't answered / seem to be avoiding these questions posted 5 days ago underneath the OP's post.

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Why bother buying a toilet when you can use the street

The cope from you niggers never gets old.

>But look in the business world and guys have better inution that you need a massive market for the defentralized data to become trustworthy
This, it's not a tech problem it's a garbage in garbage out problem. How do we prevent people from inputting garbage?

You clearly misunderstood what he said.

This.
It's just retards spewing buzzwords without knowing what the fuck they're talking about, or spreading misinformation on purpose to hype their shit.

Holy fuck the Discord niggers are really ramping up the FUD on the lead up to this month's 4 conferences with Sergey headlining topkek

bump for more chainlink cope

GET FUCKED STINKIES

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Thanks for revealing the truth

Digits.
Link $3 eoy 2023 ?

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>muh FUD
When will you realize you invested in a scam?

fall for a Turkish scam biz, never learn..

This kills the Linkie

>but CL would still be needed
>retarded comment from the dev
Just face it Linkie, your stinkies are worthless!!!

>the oracle problem - which is that relying on finite data providers that are centralized is a point of failure
That's not the oracle problem, the oracle problem is verifying that the data is correct (from the expected source).
Enigma uses intel sgx, so it can prove the correctness in the same manner as tlsnotary.

Intel sgx is even mentioned in the link whitepaper as the perfect solution - it's just that link didn't know how to implement it, or didn't care to.

sauce?

For what? Tlsnotary?
tlsnotary.org/

>intel is even mentioned in the link whitepaper as the perfect solution
Sauce?

and guess what, with sharding ethereum can simply have a shard that enables this exact kind of oracle directly on ethereum itself.

chainlink is just a middleman network but it relies heavily on it being necessary to use a middleman network. that only makes sense if there are a large number of platforms that dont have oracle integrations, which is looking unlikely as there are only 3-4 that dont that matter, and new platforms will build this into their system.

the link whitepaper, there's an entire section about using trusted hardware execution or however they called it

They've always planned to use town crier

youtu.be/Zu6uZ1PnRU4

pics or didn't happen

>oracle integration
The whole point of oracles is that they aren’t integrated lmao.

>Enigma uses intel sgx
So does Chainlink.

There's no actual verification in town crier, no way to know that the response actually came from a sgx enclave. That's solved by enigma
Lazy nigger, look for yourself
No it doesn't, intel sgx completely replaces reputation.

you LARPer

>intel sgx completely replaces reputation
Citation needed. What do trusted execution environments have to do with the reputation system? TEEs allow a node to privately compute sensitive data without seeing it for the purposes of allowing payment triggers that contain privileged information. What does that have to do with the reputation system?

no, the whole point of external oracle services, of which one is chainlink, is that the tech enabling trustless external data isn't possible directly in ethereum. shards/layers change that without even needing a middleman token/network or changes to the core code.

Except integrated oracles go against the Ethereum design philosophy, and what's the point in building one from the ground up when you can just hook it to Chainlink?
It's seriously like Ford is halfway through building the first car and everyone is saying "Carriages will just build their own engines". They can try. But they're way behind.

This is good, finally Link fud is gaining traction again. So fucking pathetic how much handholding has been going on lately with link

They are fudding it too. Stealth phase.

>90% of Jow Forums references to chainlink are literal retard tier fud
>pee poo and link is shit and other zero effort spam
>"too much handholding"

Reputation in chainlink is supposed to deal with sybil attacks (it doesn't) so that nodes are independent and return correct data.
Intel sgx enclave can return signed correct data obtained by ssl from itself, there's no risk of sybil attack and no need for reputation.

At this point i think Link is so wrapped up and esoteric that of you dont know and “get” it already you wont be able to benefit from the moon mission.

All the fundaments have been discussed to death and ironed out long ago. You wont find anything anymore unless shrouded in confusion

sergey has said in every presentation that they're doing both because the market will decide whether intel sgx or a decentralized network of nodes or both is what is ultimately needed.

desu that's the better fud that no one ever says. Sergey himself says that they're just throwing the decentralized network of nodes at the wall and maybe it'll stick, but it's absolutely not necessary to the success of chainlink. I guess you'd still see the network being used but without the volume of nodes and staking associated with the decentralized network, it's doubtful the token would be worth much.

>Reputation in chainlink is supposed to deal with sybil attacks (it doesn't)
Reputation mechanisms haven't even been laid out, let alone developed, and will be developed by 3rd parties. So what information are you using to conclude that the reputation systems that don't even exist yet fail to prevent Sybil attacks?
>Intel sgx enclave can return signed correct data obtained by ssl from itself, there's no risk of sybil attack and no need for reputation.
In what, the case of a single node? Is this the FUD technique where you just string a bunch of semi-relevant words together and hope it seems convincing to the uninformed?
It will be interesting to see how much new information comes out this month. We'll go from radio silence to, what, 5 talks by Sergey in the space of a month? Interesting times.