Prove me wrong
In an overarching sense, he was completely correct
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>Prove me wrong
the working class didn't get poorer but wealthier under capitalism.
this is now a boob thread
High tech communism is the future. Literally nobody can stop it, its inevitable. Marx was just way ahead of his time.
you're not wrong but you're about to be disheartened when you learn just how little most Jow Forumstards actually know about basic economic theory
A head of his time, capitalism has had its run it now only leeches and abuses the every day man to give it to people who bought out the government.
You ain't free if the choice is between slavery and death.
I'll bite. Give me something to work with tho. What was he correct about?
Except it's not true, commodities got cheaper, mostly due to exploitation and impoverishing of the developing world, which was covered with number fudging.
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Capitalism created easy times. Easy times created communists. Communists, like the ones in this thread, will create hard times. You will all miss having life on easy mode.
rollin, give me yui
He literally wrote the book on boom and bust cycles in capitalst markets and predicted globalism as being ushered by capitalism.
I have been a lonely virgin for a long time. I had come to terms with it. But this picture fills me with so many emotions. Lust, anger, sadness, desire. I just want to feel their bodies so badly.
Pretty sure most jap pornstars are up for hire.
Ironic considering the proponents of his ideology always say it failed because it was not implemented on a global scale.
Only because of the working people who fought for improved conditions because they were inspired by marx.
>the working class didn't get poorer but wealthier under capitalism
>>being this idiotic
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He was right in identifying the problem. He was wrong with his idea for a solution.
When I think easy times I definitely picture tsarist russia in ww1
This image makes me feel funny. Like when we used to climb rope in gym.
>Four communism threads on the first two pages
God damn you people are really out in force today. Jow Forums too rough for you buddy?
Communism is conceived as a post capitalist ideology. Therefore its intrinsically internationalist as it takes place in a post globalist world, such as the one we live in.
>j-just regulate capitalism bro ;_;
you're among the stupidest fucking people on the face of the earth
stop forcing other people to live by your rules and go rot in your own society of your own design
This is the stupidest think I've read this month.
That's just trying to spin it. Poverty is not just a measure of how many bank notes you have, it must include what you can buying power, more people have more stuff and access to stuff etc
>give you the tools and raw materials
How much is fair for him to get in return? He certainly should be entitled to something.
I don't understand sorry. Please dumb it down.
Debunk these two videos right now:
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They are actually explicitly adjusting for purchasing power parity.
They always come around when the market is down. I guess they think it's a good time to find people in the mood for hating capitalism.
>Except it's not true, commodities got cheaper,
you mean production got more efficient thus democratising access to goods and thereby improving living conditions of everyone == everyone got richer
you have to be mind bogglingly stupid to say people didn't get richer because things got cheaper.
as for exploitation: pic related
the market over long term is doing just fine, globalism is being pushed because governments have too much power and enables lobbying, smaller government would make lobbying virtually a waste of money
Nothing, cut him out of the chain. Workers produce the tools and materials aswell and as such they deserve the value of their work. Only work creates value.
>subjective theory of value
>never proven - unscientific
>predicts nothing - useless
debunk the economic calculation problem first
Communism is fundamentally a modernist ideology with a foundation in Hegelian dialectics. (Not post modernist as retards will tell you)
Hence its proponents believe in the advancement of society through the conflicts of ideas culminating in a thesis and antithesis combining into a synthesis of ideas. For them human society has an evolutionary tech tree. So agririaniasm is needed for mercantilism. Likewise Communism cannot exist before the highest stages of capitalism occur ie globalism.
I asked you first
Yeah I'm not watching those, give me a point with some elaboration and we'll discuss it
>>never proven - unscientific
yeah, that's the state of your education right there, man. no wonder you believe in nonsense.
I am planning a vacation to a country with a lot of prostitution. I can't wait to actually touch a woman.
Globalism is happening because the fundamentally stateless bodies that is a corporation is usurping the role of local and national government across the world.
So communists are just capitalists who are too lazy to start their own companies? Hmmm.
>i'm not watching two short videos because they disagree with me
>you're still wrong
>you have to be mind bogglingly stupid to say people didn't get richer because things got cheaper
As someone from an ex-commie country:
1. we work more
2. we work for lower wages
3. we get worse social services
4. complete trash (fake food) entered the market -- hence your "things got cheaper"
Thanks, capitalism.
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and likewise I asked you too to waste your time
they also have a distinct lack of hygiene.
>So communists are just capitalists who are too lazy to start their own companies? Hmmm.
Communists believe in utilizing the wealth (in temrs of both financial wealth and the modernity wrought through capitalism) to create a post-capitalist society that is moneyless, classless, and stateless because even when capitalism "self-corrects" it tends towards self-destruction (see climate change)
It doesn't exist. Linear optimization is sufficient
Feel free to post scientific proof.
Compared to a 100 or 200 years ago; do we have less or more dirt poor poeple (as a percentage of the population)?
Interesting. I got really put off in college with Marx because of critical theory and just did enough to pass the two classes.
Nietzsche argued it goes all the way back to socrates, and when reason was put in the forefront instead of intuition. It's quite interesting.
Less. Slavery was abolished, colonialism suspended, and the labour movement has won massive victories. The global poverty started deepening again when all of those victories are being reversed, starting in 1973.
You wanted to discuss, you should be able to get us going yourself right here.
>socrates
That's a misnomer here. Were Nietzsche capable of attacking Epicurus he would have had a leg to stand on.
exactly this I refuted
How the fuck did you come to that conclusion you fucking troglodyte? Capitalists don't need to work, they extract the value created by those who work their property. A communist want to make sure that you cannot extract others labour that enable lazy capitalists to become richer than them because they inherited daddys factory without working a day in their lives.
yes was right that communism is the right path. However many of his theories are wrong because he was using a modernist lens. A Taoist approach to socialism is the right way.
Today is the day the bull trap phase has ended. In the coming months, the stock markets will shed 10k, if not more. You will need this pic.
Yeah so different from how you faggots claim we aren't allowed to dissect your views because we won't watch 9 hours youtube conspiracy documentaries about how Hitler was a good boy who didnu nuffing wrong
A small state is pliant to globalism the same way it is pliant to imperialism
>It doesn't exist. Linear optimization is sufficient
you do realise that doesn't make much sense?
otherwise the soviet union might have made it a few years longer.
>Feel free to post scientific proof.
you mean like ebay? you're a moron.
Where do I start with Stirner? I've seen enough memes with the guy that it's time I actually read his work.
Just incorrect. Less people today are in the mud compared to say 200 years ago. And if it has gotten worse lately it's most likely because most western countries have increased their governments, going more socialist etc
t hanks , saved
Modern computers had made the calculation problem a thing of the past.
Literally the only thing he ever published was the Ego and Its Own. It's pretty short but kind of hard to read. However a new translation came out recently which is apparently more accurate and easier to understand, but I don't have the pdf for it
>muh big gubmint is at fault
I will take number 6, thanks
yesssss
>dialectical materialism
>being correct
pick one
Barrel roll
Thats because your great grandpa went out into the streets to demand more from capitalism because he was not as retarded as you and now you're letting the things he and his friends fought and died for go to waste.
>As someone from an ex-commie country:
maybe you better compare your situation to your socialist path instead of envious looking at the west, because from my childhood in a communist country I remember a distinctive lack of certain commodities. like milk ... and at times also bread and other food or medication or anything.
What? I just told you what Nietzsche wrote, not sure what you are on about. Rational is what eventually led to communism, it leads to rules and regulation etc, you should read his description, I won't do it justice.
tell that to stafford beer, homeboy.
You wanted to discuss, so please start the discussion. That's how it works in a civilized manner. But your manners are telling, I guess.
If the government had less power with regulation etc, there would be no incentive to lobby.
That sounds reaching as Socrates was very much a skeptic as well. Honestly this is random attack on Socrates sounds like randian tier nonsense.
And that's where your intelligence hit it's roof.
Complete drivel, thanks.
The historical reality that is the banana republic shows what that actually means. They don't lobby because they are the defacto government in all but name.
>it's most likely because most western countries have increased their governments, going more socialist etc
>What's the IMF going after countries in the third world, making them to privatize stuff, pretty much the opposite of a country going more socialist, and then, because of privatizing stuff, the lives of the people living there becomes worse than before (South america, Africa and recently, southern europe).
>What's Sankara's Burkina Faso, a communist that made the impossible, an african country where no one fucking starves.
>also socialism is when the goverment does stuff.
The actual idea was that as time went on the worker would be relatively poorer to the capitalist. That as time went on the amount of value returned to Labor would increasingly diminish as more of it is concentrated towards Capital. You can see that being true, especially in our current time and with all the studies going around about wealth inequality.