You have hobbies and interests you don't practice enough. When you get free time you just fall into the cycle of doing easy things like internet and wasting time. Since i started wagecucking I basically stopped socialising as much. My other friends are wagecucks and we don't meet up often unless it is the gym or something. I'm not meeting new people offline. Despite having some money, not spending it, just skimping and saving till death. Can't motivate to go out by myself and do the things I might enjoy. There is the option always to go clubbing with NPCs and go through that (UK brahs know what I mean when I mention npc degenerates you meet while doing so, unfulfilling experience).
Seriously, what is the solution to this cycle? It's so easy to fall into this trap as a wagecuck.
The travel meme sounds like a solution but really is it? I genuinely feel like It would be easier to start over somewhere new.
This is why people with rough but real life (adventure chasers : life in a van, surf, ski etc) seems to be really happy. They live their life 100% unlike us. You're so depressed / tired by your wagecut activity you can't do somth creative after. So hard to balance everything
Its this. I could plan and do things, squeeze in, try meet new people through mutual interest events etc. But wagecuckery tires me. Gym most nights tires me. When I get a weekend, do i want to do anything? no. You feel worse as time goes on, get older, and opportunities slowly close every day. The thing is how most normies live it without noticing it or thinking about it. being red pilled about this is really depressing. The ultimate red pill really Is being blue pilled?
Or is it being financially independent while red pilled? I think the collective autism of this board could come up with something interesting
This. There's no way out or forward because you're not living a real life of adventure. There's no way out. All you can do is cope. Millions of people on antidepressants, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc are on the same boat.
Levi Rivera
retire in a country where you can live like a king
Evan Rogers
Those types of people obviously sacrifice for it. That's okay. Future finances or stability for just letting life carry them wherever. We all know the trope of that guy who did this in the youth and now works on a construction site in his 50s or does odd jobs. We are not all destined to be alpha and make it while doing that kinda life and having shit fall into place.
That is the trap. It feels like you cannot win unless of course you achieve financial freedom at a younger age. The, all you have is your own mindset and habits to battle for moving towards a life you want. maximum freedom. No wagecuckery or uncertainty in the way, draining the mental energy.
>You have hobbies and interests you don't practice enough. When you get free time you just fall into the cycle of doing easy things like internet and wasting time. Stop doing that, idiot. Not everything needs to be a big adventure. Get a hobby that allows you to learn something, then when you have practiced it enough find ways to monetize it. Case in point: I have read up on how to grow cannabis for a year, next year I'm opening a small firm and making a test run, if everything goes well I'm looking at expanding into a 50-100 mq greenhouse by the year after
Nathan Scott
shut up, there is no excuse to live, now buy my rope
Gabriel Mitchell
Yes, agree. Need to force it. I have done so before, maybe I am in a rut.
I think my biggest grip with this wagecuck life is the social side of it, find it difficult to maintain friendships while also doing my hobbies. Its one or the other. and going out to meet new people is a huge time investment.
Parker Jones
Most people in their 30s realize being a wagecuck and having a fun life arent possible. They waste their wagebucks on bougie restaurants and luxury cars and convince themselves it is worth it.
Samuel Lopez
I have been saving aggressively and living small since 23 and I will be retiring in two years at 35. It is the only way I saw out of the matrix.
Leo Campbell
Yes. I am 24, and I see this shit. It's like having eyes to wide open and seeing everyone doing it for same reason.
In the UK, it is extremely predictable. user in another thread summed it up
>have a degree in some shit tier non-specialist subject >have a PCP contract BMW / Audi / Merc - usually entry level (1 series, Audi A1 / TT etc.) >work in a mid level low prestige jog which pays £25 - £28k per year >rent a new build flat or buy a new build cuckbox with a 5% downpayment where the government owns 20% equity >have a misshapen ugly Anglo girlfriend who is a team leader in a call centre and thinks pugs and wine are the best things ever >go on holiday each year to a generic Spanish resort and post photos all over insta and facebook of in your brightly coloured shorts with your bird with the tagline, "How's the weather back home? ;)" >have no hobbies or interests outside of football
Josiah Edwards
I'm 24, and Also been doing this for a couple of years.
However, how did you accept the sacrifice of your 20s by being frugal?
Are you from UK too? It makes me feel dead. Lol. I noticed this all before an user posted it but seeing it in text really is haunting.
Part 2:
>be late 20s now >Friday ritual consists of putting on a super tight tartan suit and turtleneck jumper with no socks and posting pics of you and your bird before "date night" >got promoted to Team Leader at your sales job so now you earn £27k instead of £25k >decide you want to be a LEGEND businessman so buy a £30k dilapidated flat on the wrong side of town and rent it out to Housing Benefit dole wallers, managed by your sister who works as a lettings agent on sick commission >Spanish resorts have now swapped to more exotic places such as Thailand and Croatia >Bloated bird still thinks shes a size 8 >you've spent the last 3 years growing in a beard to hide your weak as fuck chin >Audi A1 PCP contract ran out and you couldnt afford the balloon payment so swapped it in for a sick new bright yellow Nissan Juke >your bloated bird has a kid on the way so need to have something more reliable and that for the trips to Ikea innit
Justin Foster
I work in a field I enjoy but the pay is low. Where I live for work is out of major cities which helps but I still desperately need to "make it" so I can transition to part time.
Easton Smith
Select one or various:
1) Be born in a rich family 2) Strike a lucky NEET generating money machine internet vortex (create a twitter, facebook, instagram, become a rich jewtuber, and other lucksbucks) 3) Be a Chad
If none of the above:
4) Invest in rope
Logan Johnson
Now see, this is entrepeneurship.
Aiden Lewis
This gives me motivation not to end up like that
Hudson Davis
The ultimate red pill is, in fact, the blue pill
Jaxson Walker
whats the problem? I go wagecuck for fake money with which in return I can buy everything I need to survive. With the taxes I pay the state provides everything for me I could not do on my own. I don't even need to get a woman to get children. New generations just get imported and educated with my wages worth.
Yeah, ignorant bliss. Imagine being really happy living that kinda life. Red pilled without leverage to rise above it is just sad
Leo Long
Well, a combination. Normies live the blue pill life without knowing why. They do it because everyone else does it but not the underlying reasons. I've thought and made several posts about this; living the blue polled life while being consciously red pilled is how you succeed. Without a doubt the way to a happy fulfilling life is having a family and raising children. No material possession or amount of free time can beat that. I know the bitter virgins on here will tell you to avoid women like the plague, and it all you can attract are bottom of the barrel women then maybe you should avoid them. But you should strive to be a red pill living the blue pilled life. That way your grandkids can look up to you and know you're an extremely wise old man, just imagine all of the older people you look up to. They probably seem based and red pilled
Landon Thompson
I tell you a secret. It is very simple but I have realized it in fullness recently. The curse of modern man is its detachment from mother nature. Do you see depressed people who work on the fields all day doing physical labor or among tribesmen? No.
The solution is to go trekking, camping on your weekends and reconnect with the energies of nature. It is not mumbojumbo, this is real. It helps me immensely and rejuvinates me for the week. Another tip is to to join a martial arts dojo do thai box or brazil jiu jitsu or maybe even crossfit to experience comraderie. By this two method you will gain strength, clarity, calmness amd focus. Godspeed
This as well. Modern society's rigid enforcement of rules and heavy reliance on technology literally causes depression. We need to go back. Read Ted Kaczyński's (Unabomber's) Manifesto. Or ateast the summary on Wikipedia. He was crazy but an incredibly high IQ individual and a lot of what he said is right.
You think the Amish have depression? The key to a happy fulfilling life is relationships, first on a small scale with your family, next on a bigger scale with your friends and neighbors, and finally a bigger scale with your community. No material good can replace that
Levi Davis
It describes my fathers' family's life in entirity mate. I frequently have conversations with him and others about this but they JUST NEVER SEEM TO GET IT. If he had not had holidays for the last 3 years and just spent time off work learning to invest the money instead, he'd be a millionaire right now, but they just looovveee their jobs so much.
Josiah Peterson
Of course try go out trekking with friends, it is exponentially more fun. Get a high quality trekking shoe and trekking poles and u r set
How many fucking people on here constantly post about how they've made it or how they have a ton of money and are super depressed. Like a bunch unless it's all just a larp. Even if you escape wagecucking, will anything really change? You tell yourself it will but you'd be lying. You'll still do the same shit maybe with more spending money. Maybe you'll gamble more or buy too many things. None of your wagecuck friends will make it, so you'll be alone with your riches and have to make new friends. Make the best of what you have and enjoy it while it lasts. If you can't find any joy in the little things you might as well be 6ft under already.
Elijah Davis
you're a beta male my dude
Wyatt Foster
>You have hobbies and interests you don't practice enough. When you get free time you just fall into the cycle of doing easy things like internet and wasting time.
I practice my hobbies very frequently but I don't much different from previous times where I didn't. I just want to make money with crypto so I can afford a decent livestyle and not have to rent my time away to some jew who pays me JUST enough so I can barely afford rent and food.
Dylan Young
Yes, which is why i included neets in op. The thing to do would be travel and being social
Henry Kelly
I think it's like stepping off the edge of a cliff (think Raiders of the Last Ark) and believing that there is a bridge.
You can't expect to have excitement and stability at the same time. It's like marriage. You can't expect to have exciting stimulating sexual encounters and stable sexual availability at the same time.
If you want to escape, you must escape. Travel only makes it worse because traveling is merely the illusion of freedom intensified. There is no freedom to being a wagecuck nor a consumercuck.
I think the only option is to look within and try to surmise your historical purpose. You exist in a lineage of people who have created and lived enough to create you. You have created and lived enough to get to a place of enough self-awareness to post OP. There may also be a purpose to your life.
The purpose of your life, is probably to make a better world for our children and other people's children. That is the fate of humanity. As mere mortals, we can lament our death or celebrate our lineage. Every other direction seems hedonistic or nihilistic.
Just my two cents user. Remember that Bitcoin is Cash.
Caleb Wilson
My escape was the fire service. I work 10 days a month helping people, and alot of the shifts are relaxing, not slave driving. I get to eat, sleep, workout, and trade crypto whilst at work. Solid money and I invest pretty much all of it. Life is good now.
Michael Martinez
I think the NPC meme is rising because people normies are being forced to think about these principles and they cannot even handle it.
Jack Thomas
We are all normies and npcs in a way user.
We are all just trying to cope with a very difficult world. It sure isn't easy to accept that the feels are real when the world has spent the last 20 years convincing you otherwise.
Really, the way we are raised, we were never taught to grow up. Traditional civilizations had rites of passage, rites of fertility, rites of ascension. We have proms and car sex. It doesn't quite satisfy our need for ritual.
Carter Morales
I think the ultimate red pill might be spirituality. I am also sceptical of it to be honest but I try to follow it and see where the road takes me. After trying psychodelics I am open to just about anything but remember, only your own direct experiences matter. Your mind is very powerful so learn to use it.
Isaac Cook
>Seriously, what is the solution to this cycle? It's so easy to fall into this trap as a wagecuck.
Find a skill or trade you can explore and master over your lifetime and find a way to get paid doing it. That's your only alternative to getting compliant with a life of wagecucking. For everyone the choice will be different.
Luke Ramirez
What makes you think that? I do BJJ and thai box, am 6'5 muscular handsome chad desu
Eli Rogers
Your onto something fren. Good luck on the road, use plenty of discernment
Luke Price
Are you on that road too? Would you like to share some insight?
Julian Thompson
Once you have $15-20k income off your portfolio vanlife is the solution.
It's not wage fucking that makes it hard to be social, it's your autism.
I am sorry..
Kevin Ramirez
Partially. Don't enjoy conventional normie activities like getting lashed with people down the pub or in a club. shit is fun like 1-2x a year at most.
Sadly here in the UK, that is the national social event, find it hard to even do other things.
Thomas Perry
Freedom is a function of time. You are not starving, you do not live in poverty, and you are not subject to a master. When you forgo your free time in order to gain something, it stands to reason that you value your free time less than that which you gain in exchange. That is, monies, and whatever you may exchange it for. So do you work to live? Or do you live to work? Most people do the latter. Most people, when given true freedom, are left empty and confused. They have no idea what to make of it. What are they to do? To truly appreciate free time you need to understand that it directly correlates to freedom. The freedom to think, to act and to be independent. Wagecucks perpetually oscillate between slavery and freedom. When enslaved, they dream of freedom, and when free, they yearn for the whip. Freedom to them is to no longer be subject to the rules of some higher power, be that a boss, family, relations or society or anything that they use to justify their 'sacrifice', as if they are physically bound to adhere to it, lest they suffer some punishment. But this is not true freedom, as the anxiety will always be there, just as when you sweep the dust under the rug, it is not gone, only hidden. In this they try to cheat themselves, but refusing to recognise the absurdity of it all, they eventually return to their shackles, to the comfort of routine, to the safety of the herd. Instead of looking inwards, wagies look outwards, to the expectations of others. Look inwards, OP, and achieve true freedom. Use your free time wisely.
Jaxon Williams
Why can't you like join a community with interested that align with yours? From what ive seen the UK is hardcore into drinking and nightlife but I'm sure there are other ways to socialize with people.
Zachary Hughes
There are, but like i said, these things do require a lot more effort. It should be worth it. I really want to move away from this country soon.
Most the people i grew up with or know are only interested with what little time they have on doing the easy thing, which is going for a drink or to the club. Anything else requires huge planning and like pulling teeth.
So the obvious answer is do it on my own and make new friends. I find foreign people are almost always way more willing and better for this...
Ryder Ward
>vanlife is the solution yeah if you live somewhere warm
Zachary King
Most normies just pop kids to vicariously relive their good times. Still, kids are probably closest to meaning of life. So that's a black pill for robots here. I think the answer lies somewhere in the holy trinity of Jow Forums+Jow Forums+Jow Forums /body+wealth+mind/
Jason Gray
but I really like my huge shower
Christian Robinson
The thing about a van is you can live anywhere you want and this is massive beautiful country.
If you don't live in the US you don't even matter so stop posting.
Jaxson Richardson
You're not cut out for life on the road user, it's ok.
Jason Collins
I could do it from time to time in short bursts of 2 to 6 months prob, but I'd want to be able to go back to my huge shower if I wanted to
Dominic Collins
>tfw Italian >tfw living it out on the countryside in my van would mean getitng mugged and raped by a different minority ethnicity for every day of the week
Austin Hill
Kekd, same literaly
Kayden Peterson
Shrooms. You will realize where you roots really are and abandon city life really quick. Use the tools nature has provided us for thousands of years
Ryan Davis
Nominated for Jow Forums slogan.
Connor Wright
Stoic
Justin Price
>romanticizing social rituals You are literally the definition of an NPC you fucking idiot.
Isaiah Rogers
This. You other guys are chasing a dragon.
Brayden Green
>Jow Forums+Jow Forums+Jow Forums >/body+wealth+mind/ holy shit I laughed so hard at this literally the opposite
Well I hope you find a better place to live. Haven't heard great things about the UK not ragging it tho. I live in CA here in America. It depends where you go in the US but you can find lots of different cities and different people who share your interests. Of course being close to cities makes it easier to find friends and socialize. Or somewhere in Europe may be easier for you, can't say though because I've never been. Good luck user
Charles Hall
>Jow Forums Jow Forums /8pol/ Ftfy
Parker Edwards
Life would be great if we all just abandoned urban settled lifestyle and became hunter gatherers again!
Jesus fuck dude, have you ever even read a history book? Hunter gatherers live the most brutal, savage lifestyles ever and probably died of their teeth decay in their late twenties at most.
This new generation is so fucking ungrateful. Waah! I have to work 8 hours a day to live in a bug-free air conditioned paradise where I can communicate with the world from my living room, drinking a glass of red wine from Greece, and do whatever the hell I want.
I agree we are romanticizing the noble savage bullshit, but the modern life grind is unsatisfying on a more visceral level. In theory all that shit you said applies to our lvies and we constantly live again the most luxusious decade in the history of humanity. In practice the hunter gatherer had the satisfaction of eating the results of his hard work, or of feeding the people he cared about and their friends too, which in turn provided for him the other stuff he needed to live. We slave away for far less hours but for people we have zero connection with, who make far more money than us from our hard work, all to live in a house we probably don't own distracting ourselves with empty shit we don't need. There are pros and cons, you know? We need some sort of balance.
Luke Stewart
Join a political group. Not too much drinking and most of the conversations are intelligent and engaging. Man I miss London. Brits have the best sense of humor and I don't think I've ever laughed more in my life than there. My neighbor was a barrister from Essex with the most witty foul humor. One night he had me and my wife laughing so hard we had tears running down our faces, and no air in our lungs.
Grass is always greener man. Try moving to the US where everybody wants to talk about:
(1) Weather (2) Sports (3) Schools for their kids.
James Watson
Does sitting in traffic to and from work take its toll on me? Sure. Do I wish I had what all the LARPERS here say I should have? $10k per month passive income where I can fuck Stacies all the time? I guess.
I just didn't have the skills to make $2M in my late teens playing online poker like the LARPERS here, but I did save a lot and am pretty financially stable with great long term financials.
I just need to work in the meantime for family health insurance and keep in the black. I dont' agree in the European lifestyle BS where you act like an adolescent until you are 35 and THEN you get get married and have kids. I don't care how much you BS me, but a 34 year old who is nailing bar sluts and has no family at home is NOT a happy person and no role model for me.
Personally, I believe the best years are when I will be 45 and all three of my children are off to college. My house will be 100% paid off, my retirement portfolio will be around $4M based on current projections, and then my wife and I can travel the world. Our thinking will be that we did the kids thing, had them make something of their lives, and now can spend money liberally the rest of our days to celebrate a successful life.
Not for everybody, but the happiest people I know are 40-50 year old boomers who have grandkids on the way, but tons of freedom, empty nest and money.
YMMV
Jack Sanchez
I'm a wagecuck working class, chances are the poitical groups are all people form the shires, the fucking class culture here is fucked too. Sounds like a good idea though, I am interested in politics, probably worth having a go. you will find out pretty fast.
foreigners are immune to this class system.
I am thinking of moving to Europe or traveling Asia or something like that where I can meet people I know online for years....if i can get the money together.
Gavin Perry
I recommend Germany, Switzerland or Austria. Refugee joking aside, most Germans do lots of extra-curricular activities, are physically fit and really do like socializing.
They are cold as fuck at first, but once you get to know them, they have a really kickass culture. Humor is meh I know, but they LOVE to do biking / skiing / boating. I know I am generalizing a population of 100 million people but I have yet to meet a fat dump Bavarian who just stays home all day watching TV.
Good luck!
Michael Anderson
Imagine if Hitler won and we didn't have fractional reserve slavery
Gabriel Gutierrez
All the austrians i know are like that, really great people. All things i enjoy to do, thanks for the tip user.
I have a passion for linguistics and learning languages, maybe I'll consider german next
Jaxson Russell
honestly? meditate.
you have to work out your body to keep your physical abilities. you have to work out your focus to keep your mental abilities.
i suggest:
book: relaxation response app: headspace
Ian Evans
>had three children and a wife >all children are both financially independent and in college for his 45th birthday >leaving him enough to retire at that age and start traveling Now who's larping faggot?
Benjamin Jenkins
I have three kids and a wife. Don't know how to prove it to you aside from a picture you wouldn't believe. I was 27 with my youngest, so when I am 45 she will be college years.
I make no promises about them being financially independent, but being in college is a high likelihood because I am college educated and my wife is too. My plan is the same as my fathers "I'll pay for four years, everything afterwards is on you". If they want to fuck around, its not my problem anymore.
I have a high income as well as my wife. My house is expensive because I live in Chicago city and we should have it paid off in 18 years on our current plan on our current income. We have $800k right now in a combined 401k / roth so you do the compound interest calculation toughguy with a 5% ROR and 12% income deposit per annum for a $220k net family income.
My numbers show its entirely possible and that is our plan. I believe it to be a much better plan than schilling / pumping and dumping alt coins and winning online poker than Jow Forums promotes.
LARP away.
Samuel Perry
Haha user I posted that.
Still true - if you are in your mid to late 20s in the UK in 2018 basically your entire life is a fucking sham. Phone on tick, car on tick, house on tick, holidays on tick, all the while pretending like you made it on social media while slaving away as a wagecuck for shit pay.
I am emigrating out of UK soon after graduating in 2011 and wagecucking for 7 years in a "white collar job" - I'd rather die than continue this existence. Literally an island of call centres and financed Audis driven by tesco self service helpers.
The toxic debt from these loans is going to be epic. Literally every cunt i know is driving a financed car, I know people working dead end jobs who pass their driving test then buy new BMWs on finance.
Gabriel Evans
>"I'll pay for four years, everything afterwards is on you". If they want to fuck around, its not my problem anymore. Thinking this will hold true and your kids will not drag you down financially is the LARP. I can believe all of the rest, but you are naive if you think what applied to your father's generation and you, applies to your generation and your kids.
Cameron Russell
I just sold my condo in Chicago after owning it for a mere 18 months. I got it for fairly cheap because it was a bit of a fixer upper in Uptown. I was fortunately able to sell it for a small profit even after commissions, taxes, and fees.
The financial situation in Illinois isn't sustainable and scares the shit out of me. It also feels like a market correction is coming and I didn't want to be stuck holding the bag while property/income taxes continue to rise.
It fucking sucks because I miss Chicago. I'm living in Grand Rapids, MI and it's just not the same. The main upside to living here is that I can invest in rental properties and retire significantly earlier than I would have been able to in Chicago, but it pales in comparison to the type of culture and amenities I enjoyed in Chicago.
Congrats on making it work.
Ian Perez
If you haven't travelled through Europe much then please do.
I travelled more than ever between ages 23-26, to 20+ countries. The quality of life in most of them is roughly the same as here. For example life in Krakow, Poland or Prague, Czech is 100x better than some shit northern town like Sheffield or Blackburn.
I feel bad for my boomer parents stuck here but I am convincing them to sell up and move too. My dad is an Irish citizen and can easily emigrate post-Brexit without visas.
Personally I am heading to the Baltics initially (Lithuania). I have lived with my Lithuanian gf for 3 years now and find that country really peaceful and nice, and her family have offered us a house which comes with agricultural land and forests. Can still work remotely outside of the UK but living costs are 60% cheaper. Thinking about setting up a microbrewery since I cant be arsed to actually farm.
I think Poland or Hungary will be the places we settle eventually.
Luis Long
Yeah, I'm scared about financials / tax man, but even if taxes double, its still "affordable" compared to the other gateway world cities.
Sure its expensive compared to Grand Rapids or Wichita, KS, but even with triple the taxes its still a bargain compared to Seoul, Singapore, Moscow, London, Tokyo, Sydney.
I have a non-Jow Forums view of housing. Its not an investment. Its a way of fixing my living costs for 10 year periods at a time and saving my children the stress of constantly changing schools (i.e., rental living). My wife and I agree that lets say, after 30 years, the feral public sector unions increase our taxes by 100000% to pay for their jewish pensions, and we have to sell our house at a great loss, we STILL had a roof over our heads for the past 30 years and had our kids go through a good schooling system (Evanston public is still great). Our retirement is still safe and relatively liquid and we can easily rent anywhere in the US or Hawaii a luxury 1 bedroom condo. That's my thinking.
Living for $400 / month rent in Methheadistan rural Ohio is not an option. I know the risks of living in Chicago and walk into it with eyes wide open.
Sebastian Morgan
Dumbass detected. Are you completely unaware of the concept of inter-generational wealth? Or are you so selfish as to eject your children unto the world, expecting them to have better capabilities than you in an ever-changing world? I will never understand the lower-middle class American religion of self-sufficiency and extreme selfishness, especially as regards family. Do you really believe that you will simply walk away with 4MM USD at 45 and go travel the world with your wife? People change, the world changes, and so will you. Not only that, but your children will be in their prime years, where your influence and financial support could leap-frog them into a higher class. And this is when you want to leave it all behind and go finally 'enjoy' your life. KYS cuck
Robert White
UK is fucked mate. Honestly. It's fine from a basic life standpoint, but it went down the shitter.
If you can work remotely, why would you stay here unless you love the culture(lol). Sadly my financial situation doesn't allow it for now.
Ayden Hall
Also in 2015 I was in Iceland for a few weeks.
I remember standing outside of a bar in Reykjavik having a cig and this bloke comes up to me starts to speak Icelandic. I said "Sorry I can't understand". He switches to English and had a fucking Manc accent.
Said he was a fellow Britcuck and moved to Iceland permanently after quitting his city job a few years ago and was trying to practice the language. Said it was literally the best decision he ever made.
Had a few pints with him, and the change in pace of life and mentality settled it for him.
Levi Torres
No matter what you sacrifice some point of your life. I had a pretty good 20s but did almost nothing to better myself financially. In fact I had some debt from that period that I have paid off.
Now I'm just entering my 30s and plan to be financially independent in my early 40s. I kind of wish I had sacrificed my 20s as I feel like 30s are better now that I'm in them. That being said I have a well paying job that let's me travel for work as I want and I'm doing some side hustle hobbies as well I enjoy. So I can't really complain, and I'm well on my way to financial independence.
Life is what you make of it, just don't trap yourself thinking you're too young or too old for something.
Jace Bell
>bargain compared to Seoul, Singapore, Moscow, London, Tokyo, Sydney. Totally agree. It's also bargain compared to other major US cities like San Francisco, New York, LA, Boston, D.C., etc.
>had our kids go through a good schooling system (Evanston public is still great). Yep. If I ever move back, I'm taking out a big loan from Sheckleberg and buying a house in Evanston. I would never subject my future children to Chicago public schools that are packed full of niggers (which is most of them).
Kevin Phillips
Oh stop being so fucking dramatic. I'm paying for their entire college for 4 years. But I'm not going to pay for their own apartment, food, car, etc after that if they can't graduate with a real job.
I'm not going to let them starve. But I'm not going to let them become NEET's either. Fuck that. I grew up fast after college BECAUSE my dad cut me off and I had to make my own way. I was luckier and priviledged than most because I had no college debt. I got an entry level $40k year job and with my roommate I had a decent single life sharing a two bedroom apartment when I was 22. My folks gave me jack shit after that aside from the token birthday present.
Daniel Green
>Hunter gatherers live the most brutal, savage lifestyles ever and probably died of their teeth decay in their late twenties at most. you just don't get it. Humans evolved for that. The natural human environment is constant disorganized warfare against nature and other humans. Not big armies, but small bands in a big world where it's always possible to run away to 'far away lands'. That's the environment in which we can be actually happy.
>financially independent You hit this when you work because you want to, not because you have to. Keep strong, brother.
Christian Nelson
You still need to wagecuck and save every penny to be able to do this though. My cousin did this for almost a decade but he still had to spend a 6-12 months here and there washing dishes or some other unskilled job just so he could afford gas, food, and buy a couple of pieces of climbing equipment.
Unless you come from money it's difficult.
Samuel Watson
Why not just wagecuck and save up, take bushcraft/survival classes and practice how to survive on your wagie vacation each year. Slowly you save and invest then move to a more remote place, build a house next to a river and survive or hunt. People talk shit on waging but money and skill don't appear out of thin air.
Jose Barnes
they will find a way to exploit you forget that you will have it your way
Sebastian Brooks
>Slowly you save and invest then move to a more remote place, build a house next to a river and survive or hunt. that's maybe possible in usa, australia or siberia, no such place exists in europe. Even if it were possible, it's not going to work because it means absolute loneliness. It's not technology that's the problem, it's the rigid and encompassing state. Life would be cool in a cyberpunk world of citystates with lax rule of law. I have a vain hope that cryptocurrencies make tax evasion globally so easy and prevalent that current states go bankrupt.
Jack Martinez
You are not yet red pilled enough. Once you are, you will know
This guy gets it. Ignorance is bliss. The ultimate red pill is the blue pill. Knowing how fucked up all aspects of society are will only make you depressed because there's nothing you can do to fix it, so you live your best life not worrying about the rest. The normies don't know how they good have it.