Why are Russians so horrible, business wise and other?

so no examples?

one ruble has been deposited in your account
>quick, we have a situation here, get the propaganda machine going!!

my point is, Russians are not horrible business wise, but Russia of course is

PROOFS

just googled a bit
they seem to have some billionaires in their country so cant be THAT bad for them.

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>some examples of Russians doing bad in business

The entirety of Russian history since the fall of the Kievan Rus'

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After the fall of the soviet union (lol union union), almost all publicly-owned industry -- read: everything -- was privatized in backroom deals between oligarchs of nigh unimaginable power. Many of them had connections to the KGB, one of the most ruthless and bloodless intelligence agencies in the history of man.

What this means for today is an unbelievably corrupt nation where the commanding heights of the economy and government are run by former torturers and assassins.

They don't innovate -- "they don't make things anybody wants to buy" as obama said -- because they don't have to and don't want to. Their economy is mostly stuck in the 90s, because that's where the people in power make money and where the populace stays complacent.

Awful, awful country

>they seem to have some billionaires in their country so cant be THAT bad for them.
even africa has billionaires
>1 ruble has been deposited in your account

vodka and oligarchs stealing resources from the rest

soviet means council, dummy

Russian here . Unfortunately this is the truth.

Of course they have billionaires they have double the resources of any other country on Earth and only the people the regime likes are allowed to do big business. If it was a fair market there would be less billionaires (IIRC Moscow has more billionaires than any other city) and the populace would be wealthier on average. Unfortunately Russia is and will remain an oligarchy until that system evolves into a modern day post-fuedal Noble Republic (for lack of a better term.)

You're right! I was foiled by a fourberie for years

Like what? where did they take massive losses?
They only expanded since then and still hold a massive amount of land with all its resources.
they have enough oil to be independent and they seem to build up their industry pretty well, they weren't so early in on industrialization but Stalin whipped the lazy cunts into shape and made them a nuclear power.

>"they don't make things anybody wants to buy"
then why is everyone buying their weapons and their Oil and gas?

difference is the russian ones didn't make all their money from western gibs.

>and only the people the regime likes are allowed to do big business
so like anywhere else in the world?

At least they are capable of dishing out innovation in utterly degenerate pornography.
Who besides them would be able to accomplish the quadruple anal penetration.

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It's true they make money selling weapons built in the 70s and natural resources gathered with equipment in the 90s.

That's what my post said.

>Oil and gas
>made
>not found

Can't argue with the fact they managed to commodify desperate, near-starved blondes.

Putin's joke about the most beautiful whores in the world is true, and his policies created them.

>difference is the russian ones didn't make all their money from western gibs.
african billionaires made money stealing the resources of their lands without paying taxes, just like the russian ones did
>quick!! they are talking bad about russia
>muh russia not evil
>muh russia good
>one ruble has been deposited into your account
chinese and russians have these ''propaganda bots'' who are actual people who shill their country bashing other countries, most of the time the usa
in china they are called the 50 cent army as they are paid 50 cents per post

they are trying to do damage control in this thread and its very obvious for someone that has an iq over 80

>they make money selling weapons built in the 70s
no I think they sell current made stuff mostly, but yes in the 70s they were selling weapons build in the 70s.

>and natural resources gathered with equipment in the 90s
as long as it works where is the problem? they have their market share and seem to be profitable, wasn't there news recently that russia is stocking up on gold reserves?

you gotta refine those petroleum products and produce them.

>stealing the resources of their lands without paying taxes
taxation is theft

>muh russia not evil
how are they evil?

>muh russia good
with the good they also have a lot of problems, like anywhere else in the world. no place is perfect.

maybe you are just paranoid m8, I'm not even russian and I'm not working for russians lol

The question is when were Russian's bad at business. Everything from them cheating treaties in the Great Northern War to them failing to make good in the 7 Years' War. Then the 1800s when they didn't even start industrializing until the end of the century before being checked by Japan, then they failed to diversify so the US easily destroyed them with an arms race. Then the nation collapsed and the new republic failed to invest in any kind of new infrastructure or education, then Putin comes along and seems to be the smartest guy since Ivan IV but he put too much money in the military (as Russians do) and failed to diversify allowing his people and economy to get BTFO by western sanctions.

Russia has never in it's history been good at business or loyal to anyone. It's fraught with instability and regime change every century or so with new regimes often having completely opposite views and foreign policies. Until such a time when the individuals of Russia hold power to keep the government in check there won't be any actual business in Russia just offshoots of an unstable regime that changes often and the country then defaults and has to restart it's economy yet again.

Tell me this: would you buy 100K worth of Russian government or corporate bonds? No because you never know when Russia will attack one of its neighbors or have an economic collapse and then you're out not just the percentage but the principle as well.

> (You)
>>stealing the resources of their lands without paying taxes
>taxation is theft
>>muh russia not evil
>how are they evil?
>>muh russia good
>with the good they also have a lot of problems, like anywhere else in the world. no place is perfect.
> (You)
>maybe you are just paranoid m8, I'm not even russian and I'm not working for russians lol
lel the propaganda is obvious, just like in the cold war, now with internet, nice to see that they adapted
i see through your shit, either a russian or chink shill. no need to be paranoid as i am not poor like you

>>stealing the resources of their lands without paying taxes
>taxation is theft

A marvel of sophistry you have there

Thinking one can interpret Russia as a country of literal autistis. Void of empathy and long-term thinking. Incapable of cooperation unless forced under penalty of death. Smart on their own tho.

> they sell current made stuff
businessinsider.com/russia-weapons-sales-top-countries-2018-4#9-azerbaijan-2
Almost all of the weapons listed here were designed/built in the late 80s or earlier. You're unambiguously wrong.

Re-read my post here:Things are stagnant for a very particular reason. That's the problem.

Fucking halfwit.

You would actually trust a Russian to honor a contract or business agreement?

low iq. white mexicans. all those billionaires are leeching off of resources like gold, oil, gas, etc. arms industry what they mostly brag about is relatively small, only chinese and indians buy weapons made in russia, and market capitalization of arms industry is less than starbucks or apple

bolshevik jews killed all the intelligent Russian gentiles.

>but he put too much money in the military
everyone besides European countrys is putting too much money into the military, just look at the US, throwing away trillions to police third world shitholes.

>Russia has never in it's history been good at business
I always had the opposite impression
they stick to their business agreements (in recent times) , like when they didn't block gas to the Ukraine despite the troubles between the two countrys.
I'd rather do business with them then like with france.

>Tell me this: would you buy 100K worth of Russian government or corporate bonds?
I'd rather buy Bitcoin or Chainlink desu senpai

nah dude you are just paranoid.

>Almost all of the weapons listed here were designed/built in the late 80s or earlier.
still good stuff that gets the job done and is good enough for 3rd world shitholes which are their customers. I'm sure they also sell some modern stuff from time to time but of course in smaller quantities.

>Things are stagnant
but could be worse, they don't seem to be as JUST as they were in the 90s so when you zoom out you actually see some improvement.

Think Russians are bad, try serbs

ITT: baltic butthurt.

only people who defend russians are russian shills, and again no why should i be paranoid i dont live in a dictatorship unlike you, go suck putins cock while begging for rubles
>2 rubles have been deposited in your account

Hitler liked Serbs for some reason.

why are you so butthurt? have Russians "liberated" you in recent times?

>only people who defend russians are russian shills
no you are just paranoid and are not objective. very bad attitude.

Hooooooo boy these goalposts. You went from:
>They build things!
> Their arms are modern!
to
> well, neither of those things are true, but so what?

The problem is that the country is run by murderers and thieves. There is little-to-no social mobility in Russia because of the corruption: jstor.org/stable/3593034?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

There is no question that SOME people in that shithole country are making money. NOBODY IS ARGUING AGAINST THAT YOU IDIOTIC KNUCKLE-DRAGGER. The problem is that the people making the money are tight-knit plutocrats and oligarchs who preserve their status through violence, intimidation, and corruption.

Widespread improvement to the lives of russians won't take place until that generation is dead, period.

russians are based

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>3 rubles have been added to your account
no they didnt liberate my country as its a NATO country and it would turn yours to ashes, but i hear that ucranians are being liberated

I run consturction business in London with another pajeet and mostly subcontract interior decorating work to Russians or Ukranians. They happen to deliver best quality without any delays to construction programme. Agreements are verbal though and they receive a lump sum once the job is done so maybe the nature of the agreement prevents them from sabotaging. Much better than dealing with others. Pajeets like to argue and brits are too slow which is unacceptable in this industry. I am somewhat russian as well cuz my mother tongue is russian but was born in baltics and have german surname.

I think it boils down to social conditioning and surrounding environment which is not great in Russia right now. Russians appear tough but many are emotionally fragile and self pitiful. In business, it normally takes more than one attempt to reach a point where it makes you a living. With many Russians, one fail and he looks for the bottle and ''it's not his fault'' that live is shit.

Remainder that Russian women declined to cheer for the Russian Soccer team during some recent championship.

Quote from some russian roastie regarding the topic:
>Russian men are ghouls

Jow Forums dipshit answers aside, severe brain drain beginning with Stalinist purges and ending with all remaining Jews getting the fuck out as soon as the Iron Curtain fell

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>The problem is that the country is run by murderers and thieves
so like every country?

>There is little-to-no social mobility in Russia
so what is the problem?

>There is no question that SOME people in that shithole country are making money
so you admit they are not THAT bad at business?

>The problem is that the people making the money are tight-knit plutocrats and oligarchs who preserve their status through violence, intimidation, and corruption.
so like everywhere else in the world?

>Widespread improvement to the lives of russians won't take place until that generation is dead
nah they will continue to try and improve what they can. it will take a long ass time tho.

then why are you so bootyblasted? has a russian stole your gf?

>womans opinion about soccer

lol who cares

This. Most Russians I've come across are emotionless robot-like creatures that would probably drug you and harvest your kidneys given the opportunity. They are a different species.

>slav girls are cute when slav guys are ugly
Literally made for mixing

>then why are you so bootyblasted? has a russian stole your gf?
Russian women marry all over the world.
Russian men marry only in Russia, and barely recently.
Russian men are bottom of the barrel.

>>The problem is that the country is run by murderers and thieves
>so like every country?
>>There is little-to-no social mobility in Russia
>so what is the problem?
>>There is no question that SOME people in that shithole country are making money
>so you admit they are not THAT bad at business?
>>The problem is that the people making the money are tight-knit plutocrats and oligarchs who preserve their status through violence, intimidation, and corruption.
>so like everywhere else in the world?
>>Widespread improvement to the lives of russians won't take place until that generation is dead
>nah they will continue to try and improve what they can. it will take a long ass time tho.
ah finally you admit you are russian... lol
actually i dont give a shit about you, i ve even met some half russians in my country and they were good people, i dont like your propaganda machine and your goverment..
i dont like dictarships, i like liberty

> so
> so
> so
> so

Cope harder you sophist imbecile.

I can name, off the top of my head, 50 places I'd rather live than Russia. If you need reasons why, go back and read all my points that you conveniently ignored.

It is a horrific, corrupt place, filled with venom and malignant history. I don't want to do business there, I don't want to live there, I wish they were not part of the geopolitical arena. Just awful, and it's hard to see how it will get better.

russian guys are cute

well yeah, also known as capitalism

The very distinct brand of Russian capitalism, also known as assrape.

>secured good wage job after college
LMAO

They seem so, until they wrangle into a position of control over you. Then, it becomes literal hell on earth.

Sh-shut up!

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yeah russians are either at your feet or at your throat

>Russians are not horrible business wise

The russian business culture is considered rude in Asia and Europeans consider it downright uncivilized.

I had to work almost a year near Moscow and consider it the worst time I ever had in all six years I work as a consultant now. It is posing, showing off expensive stuff, drinking and talking about how much money they have. In the end of the day, you get absolutely nothing done and hope to speak to someone with a brain the next day. The stuff we tried to do in Moscow could have ben easily done in three months (as it was planned), but the whole "we need pay off this guy, look what car I drive, lets go drink at the datscha I bougth"-faggery made us cancel any contract and cut any relationship with russian clients.

Admitted, Americans, Polands and Chinese (especially the younger ones) also like to pose and show off expensive stuff, but most of them at least get serious, if serious talk is needed. After this single year in Russia I can imagine the sole condition for a graduate from a Russian university is being able to read and empty three glass of vodka without puking.

Holy shit is Russia a prime example of weaponized autism? Their entire history can be summed up as >REEEEEE

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NATO is fucking laughable, you’re an idiot

>everyone besides European countrys is putting too much money into the military, just look at the US, throwing away trillions to police third world shitholes.

The difference is the US has a huge, diversified, economy while Russia's economy is just Moscow and a few extraction sites. Seriously the Russian's have never focused on their economy to the point that the entirety of Russia has the GDP of Italy (and that would be much, much lower if not for Moscow.)

>laughable
NATO has 70% of the worlds military concentrated into its hands with several of the worlds largest economies backing it. Any war between NATO and Russia ends with Russia beat, I doubt the Russians could even fight a war against a Franco-German army let alone when the US army mobilizes against it along with every European country.

lol NATO still exists and the soviet bloc doesn't

cope harder

You should be worried about China, not Russia

>comparing nato to the Soviet Union

Yeah I don’t want to talk with a low iq brainlet from Africa. Move along child

Are you employing them straight or through some middleman? Is your main niche construction itself? Have Ukrainian roots and used to have over 400 workers under me. Was looking into expanding to Germany/UK. How do companies look at these workers overall in UK.

you could say that about every roastie, they are all the same. of course they are opportunistic and milk a rich western guy when they see one.

but I'm not russian, never was.
you should get treatment for your mental problems and paranoia, if untreated this can become really bad.

>I can name, off the top of my head, 50 places I'd rather live than Russia.
the point still stands, its everywhere the same shit, corruption, government deciding who can do business and who can't, shitty jobs, low wages.
The real question is can you name 50 places where you would rather work (like real work) and live in and not just move there as a rich western faggot?

Americans have like 20 trillions in debt, and its not looking like its gonna improve anytime soon, the pyramid will soon collapse and balkanization might happen.

>The real question is can you name 50 places where you would rather work (like real work) and live in and not just move there as a rich western faggot?
Yes. That list would not contain Russia.

>you could say that about every roastie
They have something to offer. Russian men don't, besides an implicit threat of violence upon the weaker than him.

Most of your arguments seem like an an argument from semantics. 'things can be described in a similar way everywhere, so it's not that bad here is Rushitia'. It's purely a semantic argument, and something that is common amongst the typical con-artist russian. Things are only similar at the abstract level, but rotten to the core.

They're not. They're just petty criminals that nobody wants to do business with or should do business with.

cause russians are faggots and need another Hitler/Stalin

>Yes. That list would not contain Russia.
lets hear your list

>They have something to offer
roasties have it easy everywhere and Men have it hard everywhere. welcome in the real world.

as a man you are always fucking JUST unless you get your ass into motion and get lucky.
cunts on the other hand will always sell their holes to the highest bidder and they will always have it easy as long as they are not below 3/10.

>besides an implicit threat of violence upon the weaker than him.
nothing wrong in violence and standing up for one self, wish they would teach this here in the west too.

>'things can be described in a similar way everywhere, so it's not that bad here is Rushitia'
so you deny that all the same problems exist everywhere? like poorfaggotry, wagecucking to the max, low wages, low IQ retards, jewish banks and their usury and other sorts of crime?
I guess you are deluded and should go outside a bit more.

I thought DVDA was a myth? Quadruple anal is twice as bad as that!

>so you deny that all the same problems exist everywhere?
All of those 'problems' become 'nightmares' in Russia. They remain 'problems in shithole-countries.

>roasties have it easy everywhere
Alright, I see you suffer from literal autism or severe lack of reading comprehension or you're simply a brainlet. So, probably a typical Russian male.

Russian women are talented. Not anything like their talentless and useless male counterparts.

>the point still stands, its everywhere the same shit, corruption, government deciding who can do business and who can't, shitty jobs, low wages.

No.

What I'm saying -- and have been saying -- is that these metrics are unambiguously worse in Russia than they are in other countries.

These problems exist elsewhere, yes. No one is arguing against that.

What people are arguing is that these problems are disproportionally worse in Russia due to the history discussed here: And yes, I can name 50 countries I'd rather work in easy.

The corruption is rampant, the corruption is endemic, the corruption is pervasive, the corruption is entwined with the very fabric of existence in Russia. You might not be able to see it or acknowledge it because you're a deluded Ruskie yourself -- and I respect that, patriotism is good -- but fuck you and fuck your country. It's an awful place run by awful people and that won't change until idiot fucks like you wake up.

cause we're browsing mongolian stone stacking forum for our business and life tips
sorry about that
faggot

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13% income tax is bad, goy