How will Europe actually ever recover from their high youth unemployment rates?

Blue collar work no longer exists. Simply been outsourced. Those summer jobs to help get experience? They have multiple middle aged part time workers doing it cheaper instead. Companies don't want to spend money training people but still want qualified workers, so you have to pay to learn with money you don't have.

We can solve it by importing millions of useless eaters from the third world of course!

Stop searching for excuses and kys

>2013

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Fuck you, apprenticeships here are for 3 years and legally pay less than minimum wage. Would you like to work 60 hours+, six days a week for €250 net a month? For years? Because I have to. Unironically making more money with crypto savings right now
t. Farmer

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blue collar means poor in my country
due to automation and outsourcing the economy is past its peak, you can only make money by cheating / automating now

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Haha Azubiopfer

There's a shortage of welders, metalworkers and a bunch of other jobs like that.
Meanwhile I know a girl with a PolSci masters who prefered to suck dicks for a living rather than going blue collar.
"Unemployed youth" mostly deserve it.

Automation is a meme. You can't always outperform a robot if you are not lazy.

Ja Ausbildung

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it's not a meme, my mom (an engineer) was working as quality tester of some chips and they replaced the whole team with ML and a machine, which was fed with image data of faulty and normal chips.

Not really, pay is like +10% of average pay in Germany. Pretty useless for the work you have to do.

>Pretty useless for the work you have to do.
Thanks for confirming what I said, unemployed youth mostly deserve it.

In the uk all the blue collar jobs pay nothing. Seriously in any decent estate like 10 percent of people will work one and 99 percent fo the time they'll have married a rich person or owned the company

No european citizen deserves their parents failures and egoistic decisions.
Cant wait for all the starving old people in the streets

Unemployement benefits will disappear way before pensions, if only because retired people are a good voterbase. Invest in some kneepads if you only have a worthless "humanities" diploma.

You must have never visited a daycare center for old people or a nursing facility. Enjoy sleeping in your own shit and piss after your cancer treatment because there are no nurses left to take care of your useless ass. Trust me, it wont be the young people complaning, they will find a way through all the misery.

It doesn't have much to do with the fact politicians will scuttle unemployement benefits and other workforce welfare way before they scuttle retirement plans. It has already begun.

>have poor and fit healthy people on the streets
>have poor and unfit old people on the streets

hmmmm whats a greater threat to society?
old people have literally traded their health and time for money. Young people wont do it, deal with it. Life expectancy is dropping in the western world again.

>have poor and fit healthy people on the streets
>leftard uni graduates
>fit and healthy
>in the streets
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not everybody is a fat lard ass burger. I know this is the norm in your country but accept the fact that the other part of the world is not like this.

>I know this is the norm in your country but accept the fact that the other part of the world is not like this.
I'm french. Leftards from leftard universities are the ones who can't find jobs, and they are all soibois and lardasses.

based and redpilled

the NEET will prevail

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just like the amerimutts.
Create an european army!

>I'm french

Okay, first of all I am sorry for that.
Second of all if you are willing to participate in the "employment" meme you must be fucking delusional. I assume you are a muslim? Anyway, the way the world works today is through investment. If you cant make money by investing your money you should under no circumstance invest your time / health for money. That doesnt make any sense, we are not living in the 18th century anymore. We europeans should not have to work that much anymore. You wagies seriously hurt the NEET developement of the western world. I hope you will pay for this much worse than your already occuring poverty in old age.

>How will Europe actually ever recover from their high youth unemployment rates?
Obviously by importing tens of millions of more hostile low IQ immigrants goy.

Those jobs are nice but anything above a small workshop for hand crafted amenities requires huge amounts of money or being in a big factory with shitty work environment and looking at the machines that will replace you work erry day. It's pretty interesting seeing a robotic arm bend and weld metal though

Metalworking and welding in particular is also fun I should add, but it's mainly the work environment that's shit in most cases.

Good luck with "investing" you worthless delusional retard.

The majority of jobs created in developed countries in the past 10 years have been in the ‘gig economy’
However employers are still crying out for labour! High-skill labour, that is. Specialized workers, but only in certain emerging fields.
There are plenty of ‘professional’ graduates that struggle to find jobs. Legacy professions, such as accounting and law, will be among the first to be automated.
Hence the middle class will be largely out of work long before any others, and woe to those (if the majority of statistics are to be believed) with no real net worth.
Paradoxically, lower classes will retain work, because there will always be service jobs and jobs that nobody else wants to do and that robots cannot.
It is easy to guard against the future if you have enough determination. Ignorance is not an excuse for inaction.

Keynes was right, industrial automation has actually progressed to a point where our society could provide for itself with a 10-15 hour workweek.

What Keynes didn't account for was the financialization and subsequent bullshitization of the economy. Consumerism combined with a religious like veneration for work--even when that work serves no actual purpose or creates any value--has created a reality where over half of the population is either engaged directly in working a job that doesn't need to exist, or supporting someone who does.

Free Market believers would argue that capitalism by definition can't create jobs of no value, because if a company is willing to pay a worker for their labour, their labour by definition has value. As in, why would a company hire someone that doesn't actually contribute to their profit margins in some way?

To which I respond, why do we need a white collar population that is magnitudes larger than the one we had 100 years ago? Why do some corporations today operate in such a bloated bureaucratic fashion when an industry of the same size and productive value operated with a staff that was a fraction of the size of modern white collar workforces without any loss in profit producing capability? The only reason is to artificially prop up the job loss that was caused by industrial and agricultural automation. We don't actually need more people working to produce more with late 20th and 21st century technology at our disposal.

P2 incoming

thank you, keep up your good work ethics in that welding house. Maybe you will get that position for the robot supervisor.

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For that matter, the vast majority of the service industry just coddles to the needs of people too stressed to provide for themselves because their communities are so isolated by modern consumerism. Pizza delivery men didn't exist 100 years ago precisely because people used to actually cook for themselves, or have someone in their community that cooked for them. Now, I love pizza delivery don't get me wrong, but in an abstract sense, delivering pizza is a useless bullshit job because its entire purpose is to support people who can't support themselves because they have to focus on stresses caused by an overworked atomized culture.

So returning to the point. We should be living in an automated utopia by the logic of market dynamics. Instead, most companies partially work against their bottom lines by hiring people who don't need to actually be hired due to cultural reverence of work for works sake, even when that work is completely fucking useless. All of this is an extremely fatalistic way to run an economy. But hey, neither a truly free market, or a truly planned market has ever existed. (Might be possible with AI one day though.) And many of these economists are making wrong assumptions about humans, causing false economic research, leading to wrong conclusions. Human nature can't be simplified to a base cost benefit analysis which assumes people always exclusively work to better their own position in life for the least amount of cost.

We're too complicated to be simplified into a basic formula like that. Humans are not logical. We're rational yes, but even that rational is heavily influenced by culture, emotion and material condition. It's time to look past the idealistic navel gazing of assuming sociological forces like "completely free markets" or "completely planned economies" and realize that both of these utopian positions are not achievable, and hence, cannot be the basis for organizing our society.

P3 incoming

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At the risk of attracting the wrong attention here *looking at you /pol* pure socialism and capitalism are both untenable models for a society. (Again accounting for /pol here, fascism doesn't work either as it's simply a sub-variation of capitalist economics. People would heil the Furhrer from their fucking cubicals should fascism ever come to fruition in the modern world. It doesn't address the underlying problems with how we're handling production.)

And before asking, "what do you suggest then?" I respond that I myself have only started becoming critical in this fashion, I don't know the answer. That doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I don't know it. Moreover, I don't need to know the right answer to recognized that the current dominant one is flawed beyond being able to function.

EU elite know what they are doing. They are creating the conditions for genocide of ethnic Europeans. They will be replaced with a low IQ islamocommunist theocracy composed of africans arabs and mullatos that is much easier to control.

There is no way to survive global climate change with democratic nations. Mass murder and forced population shift is a requirement and white Europeans won't stand for it.

Thus, Europeans had to go.

>Non-whites have higher unemployment

Woah

t. thinks he is a lot more clever than he actually is.

You could have summarised your thoughts in a single paragraph, but you chose not to.

>You could have summarised your thoughts in a single paragraph, but you chose not to.

Na m8, just lazy and don't feel like editing shit for an image board. Anytime I post here it's a stream of consciousness. You're right that writing can be more elegant, but you forget what website you're on.

Contribute to the conversation or fuck off, you're cancer otherwise.

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you're speaking from your american perspective. in france you're not getting any job like that until yearS of apprenticeship, and the pay is low

Rampant Consumerism IS Capitalism.
Whether a need is natural or artificially created makes little difference: there are profits to be made by fulfilling that need. If the job were of no value, then it would not exist. How can a business support such dead weight? It exists to serve its shareholders.
The recent obsession with 'stakeholder' appeasement and workplace inclusion is a recent phenomena, and will likely die out sooner rather than later due to producing inefficient outcomes.
The example you cite of some pizza being delivered is merely a shining example of entrepreneurship, as it creates an artificial need that translates to new markets and more profits. A better example would be governments propping up useless workers by enforcing wage legislation, diversity laws (such as positive discrimination), tax breaks, and many more such actions that prevent efficient market outcomes.
The white collar population boom was curtailed in recent decades, and having a degree in a legacy profession is no-longer a surefire way to get a job. I do agree, however, that bureaucracies are hopelessly bloated, but have they ever not been? Most of these bureaucracies are found in public firms.
Furthermore, if it is no secret that workers are inherently (mostly) self-serving, then is it not true that once embedded in a company, they will seek to make themselves indispensable through sabotaging (either overtly or covertly, consciously or unconsciously) efforts to replace them?

>yearS of apprenticeship, and the pay is low
That's pretty wrong. Buggest problem is that most of the young people go for dead-end university studies like sociology and art.

>There's a shortage of welders, metalworkers and a bunch of other jobs like that.

Sure, there is a "shortage". A shortage of idiots who are willing to work a full-time blue-collar job for €500 net/month (12hr/day) in 2018.
Are you ready and willing to take such a job? If yes then i welcome you to my Eastern EU shithole, you can start right away. No? Then shut the fuck up about "shortages". If greedy fuckers want to get dirt cheap workers and crying rivers when no one applies (and shill for open borders and more cheap guest workers from Ukraine) it's not real shortage. Just greed. ANd you are a useful idiot, who parrot neo-liberal memes about "worker shortages".

Are you really claiming to know the logical outcome of market dynamics? Believe me, many learned men much more experienced than yourself have tried, and failed. One only needs to tune in to any financial news channel to see a line-up of 'experts' proclaim the next big thing.
I will however freely admit that it is indeed the case that many large firms do hire unnecessary labour. I posit that this inefficiency is the result of the infection of political correctness, equality and opportunity, where there should only be the profit motive and goal-orientated thinking that leads to higher and higher economic rents for the shareholders. Unfortunately, one only needs to browse huffingtonpost for all of 5 minutes to come across multiple articles reflecting this poison in the government and the workplace.

One thing that struck me as quite ignorant was your claim that:
>many of these economists are making wrong assumptions about humans, causing false economic research, leading to wrong conclusions. Human nature can't be simplified to a base cost benefit analysis which assumes people always exclusively work to better their own position in life for the least amount of cost.
Are you unaware of behavioural economics and the work of Daniel Kahnemann and Amos Tversky? Though they might be jews, they are the prophets of the discipline, which sweeps away the fallacy of 'homo economicus' and examines us as we really are, flaws and all, in economic terms.

Can you explain this in more depth? I intuitively find a lot of truth in what you say, but don't really grasp it. It's important for us neets to understand the system well. Of course I already know the monetary system is a meme, but the macro level seems to be what this user is about

Example : a sociology licence in France is a 3-year uni diploma. The unemployement rate of people with that diploma is nearing the 20%, average salary is way below minimal wage meaning the employed sociology graduates out of education probably don't even have a real job, probably serving coffee part-time at a starbucks or bioche dorée.
Someone with a high-school level in welding makes 1500€ per month starting on average, which is 50%-70% higher than our uni-graduate friend, for 3 years less of studies.

Now, university gets 60% of the french students every year, and the employement prospects of EVERY uni diploma are worse than trades.

Let's not even talk about engineering : it's separate from the uni, and it has a 0% unemployment rate.

Sure, what question do you have?

Many people here get carried away and end up proselytising their vision. It's prudent of you to admit to having no clue, and likewise I freely admit to having no fucking clue what happens now.
I will say however that Fascism is unironically one path that could work. If what I believe is true: that most of us are completely unprepared for the coming information age because of a) constraints on IQ, b) ignorance, and c) lack of opportunity then a system like Fascism could provide (inefficient) outcomes that provide some semblance of financial security to the masses, while funnelling resources and investment into future-orientated professions. The dictatorial aspect is also a huge bonus, as big bureaucracy and democracy are wholly useless in the face of rapid technological change and the problems it brings.
One solution under the current regime is to institute some universal basic income and continue our spiral into a hyper-consumeristic, hyper-capitalistic society. If capitalism becomes detached from politics then we may stand a chance. Thankfully, technology may make this reality. Unfortunately, it will be hell for the majority.

Good stuff. The real economic growth happens when a fixed amount of people can produce more. Or less people produce the same. But work is religion and religion often is a way to gain power over others. The market isn't logical. It's the combined conditioned deluded mind of the humanity. It won't optimize itself in a rational way if what creates it isn't optimized. Emancipate yourself dear anons

2013 in Czech republic we have like 3%

>Someone with a high-school level in welding makes 1500€ per month starting on average,

Even assuming that is a net wage, it's still low for Western Europe. You'd probably have to pay something like 1/2 of that just for rent+utilities for 1-room apartment in France. I remember reading about a guy who worked as a truck driver in France, he said he barely was able to make his ends meet.

You're saying world works through investment. How is that exactly? I would argue the world in reality has nothing to do with investing money. Why in no circumstances should one not invest his time for money? You seem to claim money has value

Compared to below minimum wage for the chucklefucks in uni it's way better. 1500€ isn't that bad, in Lyon you can rent a 40sqm 1br flat for 500 per month and it's the second more expensive city.
The big problem in France is people aren't held accountable for their bad choices in education, since uni is free and there's a welfare net. One of the solution would be to limit the number of people going into retarded uni cursus like psychology or art, and lower welfare.

Democracy isn't about optimization. Fascism is. But social structures can not be optimized with the same principles as monetary systems. Democracy is about inclusion. It's inefficient, but the amount of people left out is minimal so there are not a lot of people destroying the society from the outside. Fascism in theory is a solution, but a lot of people won't be given the power to be involved in important decision making so they don't have the responsibility and thus end up feeling worthless. For a lot of us it's only about the feels

>A shortage of idiots who are willing to work a full-time blue-collar job for €500 net/month (12hr/day) in 2018.
Can't get less than 1300€ for 35h/week you absolute mongoloid.

I made this statement to correct his wrong assumption that there is a shortage of welders and the european youth would be too lazy to aquire such an employment.
I argued that young people chose to not pick welding jobs because of their compareably low paying sallary. Since the profit you can make by investing outperforms the profit you can make through welding you should not "waste" your time by welding. Since time, next to health, family, security is the most valueble form of asset its stupid take the deal because you will end up old, unhealthy, unfulfilled (most cases) and on top of that without any money.

And of course money has value, today and in the future (most likely). Dont get me wrong, working is important and part of our humanity "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it" Genesis 2:15

But since life expectancy, happiness, sallary, family values are dropping.
Inflation, debt, uneven wealth distribution increases... we are doing something wrong here.

>I argued that young people chose to not pick welding jobs because of their compareably low paying sallary.
Compared to what other kind of jobs ?

>Since the profit you can make by investing
You need money to start investing

Agreed. Except money is a real illusion. If enough people start believing screencaps of this post have value then they would have value. In that case at least all of us could produce the screencaps. Is it worth investing your time into investing in assets with monetary value only?

>Compared to what other kind of jobs ?
not jobs but sources of income, such as neet bucks, parents, trading

>You need money to start investing
getting money is not a problem in europe

Read Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber if you're interested. I'd like to respond more but I've spent all night modding New Vegas to try and get New California running well. Shouldin't be procrastinating on this board desu.

I assure you though, businesses are not always catering to their shareholders. And for that matter, the shareholders themselves arn't even aware this is a problem.

Also, and this a more personal point, but the concept of someone sitting on wealth and not actually working for a living while being pampered by society is fucking degenerate garbage. Shareholders are parasites. There's no reason orgs can't be run solely on merit for the betterment of society. The idea that someone should be able to simply buy influence in society without any qualifications but their wallets is retarded.

Look at my post above for a response. My brain is sperging out from sleep deprivation.

Wasn't there actually some sociological or socioeconomic rules about how administrations and institutions tends to bloat up the longer they exists and how they will vigorously defend their continuous existence?

And civilization vanishes when people don't even consider it a possibility

Germany and Austria is low because people move there for work from places where unemployment is high.

Does that apply to the turkroaches who shitpost here from a 200eur phone at some fastfood chain?

I'll read it, user. Go to sleep. Before that, though...
>he's against rent seeking
There exists an aristocratic class for a reason. Do you honestly believe that those with wealth waste away their lives in hedonist pursuits? Even if they do, then that still does more for the economy than the average working man. The beneficiary of wealth is free from the troubles that plague the working classes, free to pursue self-actualisation, free to explore noble concepts, free to make a difference.
>shareholders are parasites
Incredibly immature. Shareholders provide much-needed capital that allows firms to grow much quicker than they would naturally. Shareholders run the risk of losing their capital. I read a passage once that put this so eloquently, but I struggle to remember it now. The point is that shareholders are a blessing because they finance the productive forces of mankind.
>there's no reason orgs can't be run solely on merit for the betterment of society
Please divorce your feels from reality. The profit motive dictates what will and won't happen. There exists a tendency for short-term, direct benefits to be sought rather than long-term, indirect ones. That is evident to everyone. Unfortunately, this is human nature, as is your altruistic, politicized world view.
THE PROFIT MOTIVE > EVERYTHING

The reply is that we need to ship more blacks and make them reproduce even more, especially with white women, we will live in a poor, violent and decaying society but at least it will be diverse and we will piss of those fucking racist right wingers.

look at demographics, soon a fuckload of child-rich boomer gens will leave jobs market and demand getting their ass wiped on top of that.

it happens in all eco systems where you eliminate risk factors. Companies shouldnt be able to afford bullshit jobs. Yet someone finances them, if its customers, good... customers seem to not care that the price of their goods is overvalued. If its QE programs that let you issue more and more bonds coupled with low interest rates I see a problem.

And I see a problem in some companies

>humanitarian
So they import human for consumption

>Eastern EU

can't you read you absolute brainlet?
Minimum monthly wage for full-time job is sub €500 gross here.

>inb4 just move to Germany

To spend the whooping €1000 difference on more expensive rent and higher taxes? Go fuck yourself.

depending on where you work in Germany its cheaper to buy ryanair tickets back to your eastern eu country and fly EVERY DAY to work.

Eastern EU isn't relevant, we are talking about western EU here.

That is an exaggeration. The cheapest discount ticket is still about €20-25. You won't be able to afford €40-50 on commuting with your typical "gastarbeiter" blue collar wagecuck job in Germany. You will hardly have any cash after you pay all the bills and taxes anyway.

However that's not the point. The point is that there's no real shortages for well-paid blue-collar jobs, not in Eastern EU and not in the West. The "shortage" exists in companies that either pay their workers shit-tier wages / have shit working conditions (i.e. in nursing homes) / scams employees / have all of the above. That's the reason why the same companies have these job openings constantly. Because they are shit-tier and no one wants to work there. Somehow decent companies that don't normally have any "shortages" or problems with finding new people, if they ever need any (because new job openings are rare in such places). But all the shit-tier penny-pinching jews are crying about muh "shortages" all the time and shill for more open borders and more cheap guest workers all the time.

There is shortages of blue collar workers because retards prefer going into dead-end studies like art or history rather than trades, and then expect society to cater to them.
Unemployement welfare has to go, or be toned down to a very short duration.

>There is shortages of blue collar workers

bull-fucking-shit.
Offer people at least 4k € gross + benefits and you will fill the position in no time. But you offer like 2-3k in twenty and fucking eighteen and then moan about muh shortages.

You only have like 1.6k net from your 2500 monthly wage:brutto-netto-rechner.info/
Or 1.9k net from 3k gross after taxes/.
Or course people will prefer hartz+neetdom than full-time wagecuckery under such circumstances. Working barely pays off.

Fuck, if the blue-collar wages were decent people would forget about their bs degrees and actually go and pay for welding courses. Because it will be worth it, there will be an incentive. But instead you offer them shit-tier wages and invite guest workers to keep these wages down. Well, you can do that. Just don't cry that there are shortages.

This
I have an Ausbildung, experience and a technical Bachelors degree and all I get offered by employers is minimum wage and at most 5% more. Fuck it, I rather am a lifelong Neet than risk my health for Mr. Scheckelberg getting raped by taxes. To all Employers in Germany, close doors, and take your investments somewhere else. My generation will rather burn all you own down, which will be classified as terrorism and no assurance will pay.

>Offer people at least 4k € gross + benefits and you will fill the position in no time
Ah yes, paying a welder over an engineer wage, good idea you absolute retard.

Nah, the best way it to cut down on welfare, so NEETs at least have to pay for themselves or leech from their own relatives rather than from society. That would be consistent with their mindset, at least.

how about you pay the qualified engineer 6K, which is compared to 15 years ago 2K. Adapt wages to inflation or you will find nobody working for you ever again

>how about you pay the qualified engineer 6K, which is compared to 15 years ago 2K. Adapt wages to inflation or you will find nobody working for you ever again
If you raise every salary, soon you'll have an inflation making welfare worthless, which is exactly the same as what I'm advocating..

I don't think anyones suggesting to pay high wages, just fair ones so people actually want to do the jobs. It's honestly not right how you get paid little for risking your health, compared to someone who did shit at school, went to a shit uni and then into a low tier office job. This would also stop more and more people going to uni. In the uk it is literally just the lower class who get exploited into these sort of shitty jobs

No faggot, you advocate to keep inflation at a constant rise to scam the consumer and other businesses while having stagnating wages to scam the worker to raise your profits. Just a fair warning, you can't force people to work without violence. And if you are willing to use violence for a slim profit margin, your investment will soon be ash, classified by insurance companies as higher power or terrorism and will be a Hartzer yourself, about the same result when you remove social security and welfare.

My dude, if tomorrow the blue collar wages rise up to 4000€ per month you better believe I'll also raise your 500€ rent to 2000€ per month.

>How will Europe actually ever recover from their high youth unemployment rates?
Reduce immigration

Cutting all unemployment benefits and related welfare is the obvious answer.

>Nah, the best way it to cut down on welfare

Greece already did that unemployment is still higher than in Germany.
Eastern EU never had any welfare no speak of, unemployment is still higher than in Germany.
What now, retard?

>paying a welder over an engineer wage

You really think that 4k is too high for welder and even for an engineer? In Western Europe in 2018/11?
You know that you only have 2.4k net from 4k gross after you pay your taxes, right? Still think it's a *fabulously high* income, you sperg? You know that in the US engineers earn six figures /year with lower taxes, and the cost of living is actually lower?
Have you even worked a blue-collar job in your life? I doubt it.

Not with rent regulations in place. btw, rent went up by a whooping 150% over the last 20 years trough Boomers inflating property prices with tax subventions, with wages stagnating for 40 years. tbf, there is no hope to expect any kind of national social consciousness from your kind. So as every year, I will strawl with lefties through the street and throw baby napalm and thermite bombs into small and medium businesses and laugh when entrpreneurs whine about insurances not paying.

The game can be played by two, and our kind doesn't have as much to lose than yours

>The game can be played by two, and our kind doesn't have as much to lose than yours
Your kind (the worthless neets) has everything to lose since you are parasitic to this society.

>tfw super low unemployed youth rate
>tfw never worked a day in my Life and only took comfy gibs and NEET bucks from tax paying morons since I was 17

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>and the cost of living is actually lower?
Tell that to the engineers in Silicon valley who live in studio apartments for 2k $ a month wew.

>checked
Not really. I invested no cent into anything. You invested millions into the hope of a profit, willing to fuck everybody and your mother over to make it work out. All it takes to ruin your live forever is one well thrown incendiary bomb worth 20€ during a protest. To ruin my life, well, not really possible