Let’s be serious Tesla has had basically a complete monopoly on the EV market for years and still doesn’t make money big manufacturers have simply sat back waiting, to see what works and what doesn’t and will nominate the market from 2020 onwards. Short TSLA to the grave.
This is the first of many competitors from VW, Merck BMW etc etc
*dominate
One thing is put a concept out there and a date, another thing is to deliver these cars. Tesla is doing fine. I have more confidence in NIO than traditional car manufacturers to eventually produce an EV for the masses.
t. heavily in automotive stocks since 2009
besides musk couldnt really give a fuck. he has around 30bils and at least 2 other companies. this is basically a hobby for him now.
Hopefully Tesla can just die already, and Musk can throw all his money at his space company.
Will absolutely buy over Ameritrash that only goes to supporting Kikes.
I'll take my model 3 performance over this looks and specs wise. I'm sure the audi will also cost more and require more maintenance
I'm sorry but Audi's are shit tier cars. Low quality german memegeneering.
CAN'T HUSK THE MUSK
Musk said a lot of dumb shit but he is one of the few people in the industry with a long term view.
Lmao musk already pumped and dump the electric car meme and is on to other ventures
Audi confirmed brainlets
Like I said first of many, within. 3 years every premium brand will have an EV, the can manufacture higher quality in larger numbers cheaper than TSLA. Tesla has had zero competition so fare, it’s Game over
Wrong. You're right that everyone will be producing EVs in 3 years, and you're right that they can manufacture the cars themselves in numbers faster than TSLA.
What they don't have is the capability to produce the batteries as fast as Tesla. Their assets are far, far more developed already and they're still expanding. And that's the most important part that you want to be of quality and in number - not the chassis. The only competitor they have had that produced their own batteries (I think Nissan) has recently closed their battery operation and switched to third party (their batteries were crap in the first place anyways, degraded in about 4 years).
For some mainstream manufacturers it might as well already be ogre, since they failed to invest in time. The battery technology, the factories etc don't build themselves, and the investments they're making right now are downright pitiful (they were flaunting a single 1 bln $ investment as a lot lmao)
the pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their backs
This. Some of the least reliable cars on the road.
t. Audi owner
Yup, same thing with WV. T
When those fuckers start breaking, the whole fucking thing starts falling appart piece by piece. I rather just stick to a fully loaded japanese or Korean car.
>248 mile range
Who the fuck even cares about these low range cars while there's no widespread architecture to support electric cars. This is one big meme and will take decades to take off due to shitty battery tech.
this, until they can manage a two minute full recharge like with gas they'll stay a meme
Bullshit. Shitting on other German brands is alright, but even newer Audis were among the best in reliabilty surveys.
in french, "étron" means shit.
Musk is ourguy
Audis are overpriced
You don't know anything about cars do you? Older jap cars are best though yes.
350 kW infrastructure is due to start getting deployed next year and the deployment alongside major highways will probably go a fair bit faster than 150 kW (more interest)
At a 250 mile range, the battery is likely a 60 kWh battery. That means a 10 minute charge.
While I understand why you would find a 25 minute charge a bother (as you have with current chargers), at 10 minutes it's starting to not be a meaningful difference (since if you've used up the whole battery, you're on a longer trip, and as such 10 minutes of charging out of 3 hours of travel in between charging should not be a large problem.
That's disregarding the time savings from not having to visit a gas station when just using the car to commute (point charging and home charging eliminate any need for that).
Why is it so hard to engineer the battery in a way that it could be just changed to another one in 45 seconds. Like what are the hurdles? Tesla's Batteries are on the bottom of the car anyway. Why not build additional infrastructure at the Supercharge stations that automatically switch the battery, put in a charged one and load the low one to put it in the next car that comes. Like how difficult is it going to be building a standartisized battery that fits in a norm - that they are interchangeable?
Still has a massive grill. Fucking awwdy
They definitely had problems with their timing chains a while back, but besides that they are not worse/better then all the other more expensive car brands.
US cars(not trucks) on the other hand...
t. Audi owner(with working timing chain)
German engineering is shit in 2018, they are riding on the brand built in the xx century
The biggest concern I know of is actually not technical. Tesla has already experimented with battery changing, and they can actually do it pretty fast (though the new Model 3s are designed in a way in which it isn't really possible to do it anymore)
The actual problem is that batteries have to be kept in a good condition, and the incentive basically changes a bit much when you're replacing the battery. A customer who doesn't own his own battery is going to be reckless with it, or not as careful to keep it in top shape - that's going to degrade it faster - which in turn makes it more expensive. Heck, Renault does sell rented batteries, but they don't do changing because over a single battery cycle it's hard to tell how the customer has been treating it (and not only that, you'd be kinda pissed if one day you felt like driving fast in your Tesla and oops, your bill is 5 times larger - even if it's justified).
So it's not that the batteries aren't standardized or anything, they used to be. It's just that QA becomes too hard and you end up with a lot of expenses which you either have to offload onto the customer, which will only piss them off especially since the method for evaluating how they treated the battery is not quite reliable.
Oh, and it also implies even MORE battery packs that aren't going into cars, when there's a shortage of batteries. Guess what - that's going to increase the price further. On the other hand, charging stations are acquiring storage so they can get better offers from energy distributors, but that storage doesn't have to be built to the same standards.
Nice try, Grimes. Musk decided it was worth committing securities fraud and getting sued by the SEC just to make a retarded 420 joke. What the fuck did you do to him?
This is a based and well informed response. Thanks user.
T. QA Technician
Why are carmakers so bad at picking names?
>E-Tron GT
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There is no point in the supercar market, which is a stupid market anyways. Tesla is doing the right move.
Chinese car manufacturers are balls deep into electric vehicles.
user people don’t buy a Tesla because they want an electric car, they buy a Tesla because they want a Tesla.
T. Tesla is a status symbol. It’s like asking why people buy Porsches when there are other sports cars on the market. Most EVs from the major manufacturers are shit, anyway.
Electric cars cause as much pollution as gas powered cars. Holy fuck people are dumb. Slap a green sticker on anything and Americans will buy it so they can impress the other housewives at Whole Foods or some douchebag at a stoplight they'll never meet.
He's going to keep that monopoly. this won't change shit. look at EV sales everyone in the market is selling thousands when musk is selling hundreds of thousands, He's untouchable.
why are they wasting energy to light the horse on the front?
>Electric cars cause as much pollution as gas powered cars.
1c has been deposited into your account shill. good work.
their pollution transforms into a function of the pollution of the generation plant which means it's a lot easier to control, improve, and eventually eliminate.
Don't you fags understand even if he makes no money from Tesla car sales the competition will still buy his battery packs from the GigaFactory 1 & 2?
>another thing is to deliver these cars
Yeah no shit, that's why Tesla is shit and traditional car manufactures will win.
Buy VAG and Toyota, both have been doing hybrid since the beginning of time and both have a manufacturing structure that can take short term losses without imploding.
This car is a rebadged Taycan btw.
looks like a mustang kek
And lithium and cobalt hangs on trees am I right?
Musk WANTS everyone making EVs, reducing climate pollution is more important to him.
lmao @ the incoming petrolhead congnative dissonance
kek
>Let’s be serious Tesla has had basically a complete monopoly on the EV market for years
Renault-Nissan has always sold more EVs than Tesla.
People seem to ignore that these new electric cars from various other makers are going to be hemorrhaging money much more than tesla.
Let's get real here, other EV manufacturers don't lose money on their cars. That's a Tesla thing.
I remember a long time ago reading that Musk said his whole goal with Tesla was to galvanize the industry into taking EV's seriously.
They are rolling out infrastructure now and have a huge headstart in self-driving, so I think they can remain competitive. But who knows.
With that said, I hope someone makes an EV that has no electronics in it other than the drivetrain ... no fancy shamncy bullshit, no internet of things, just pedals, a wheel, a radio (not a fucking computer in the car) and a place to plug in the charger.
That's probably too little to ask for tho.
Audi a good car Hahahahahahahahhaaaaaa
Cute
>an LED on an electric car
>0.00003% of battery usage
>"""waste"""
Should i sell my tesla stocks
>I'm sorry but Audi's are shit tier cars.
literally just chipped volkwagens
>> Giant fake radiator at the front despite the fact that electric cars don't need air.
Those things increase the drag coefficient by at least 20%. It's literally cutting the highway range by 20%ish (or add price and weight to the battery) just so it can look more like a Gas driven car.
That's how you know that the engineers that made that car have no idea of what they are doing. Aerodynamics is pretty damn important for an electric car if you want to avoid range anxiety, it's even more important that which Li-Ion battery chemistry you use.
No. I mean, if you want to cash in or diversify/rebalance your portfolio , the current price is fair ( I sold part of my Tesla stock at 355 for the latter reason) , but don't sell just because someone on the internet told you to. Tesla has excellent growth prospects, it's basically the Apple of cars.
>electricity doesn't generate heat
>the battery isn't underneath the entire car and doesn't need massive intake
Personally, I think the electric car from traditional manufacturers that will succeed the best is probably VW's ID car.
On one hand, if its priced similarly to the golf, it doesn't compete directly with Tesla by going for the sporty upper end market where Tesla is king.
On the other hand, it's a really well made car with no obvious engineering mistakes, and it's clear that they minmaxed every detail to work well with electric instead of just building a gas car with an electric drivetrain. They even got rid of external rear view mirrors in favour of cameras in pursuit of reducing drag. At the same time, unlike weird bubblecar concepts, it still looks like a normal car as long as you pick a normal paint scheme.
Also, putting the car aside, the ID buzz on the same platform looks absolutely fantastic and I kind of want to buy one.
Unlike an ICE, the motors and batteries of an EV will pretty much always generate less heat than the brake disks. It makes absolutely no sense to have a front air intake if you already don't have anything to cool the brakes.