How to sell Passports & Real Estate from CY

Fuck off sandy sandnigger

2 million Cyprus vs 1 million Monaco
Overpriced/

>german passport
>white

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holy fuck
why this thread doesn't have +200 replies is fucking beyond me
this is a quality thread
wait up OP, don't go yet, I need to write another post

6 months stay
Normal CFC rules
And less spots a year I think. Do you know about the potential real estate investment roi or has the investment to be personal?

What are the turnover levels that make history worthwhile?

- Are you still registered in DE?
- If so, then you have to insurance yourself

- What is the percentage tax saving on your sales?

Danke Kumpane :)

I care about the CFC rules because I do my crypto stuff with a belize IBC. Because of regulations and so on. Anyways Monaco isn't bad but not for everyone.

If you need to go cheap you can get a EU residence instead of citizenship. You need to be non US though. 6 months stay in portugal, 500k investment but some legal fees. 1 million in Ireland...

Cyprus is actually one of the most beautiful places in europe, geographically speaking. The people are always decent too. I used to holiday over there every winter.

Did you have to enter the army?

What about ways to cash out tax free without actually having to pay up and go live there as a citizen?

Long story short, polish taxation system is worse than you would imagine the russian one to be.
It's impossible to run a company here and live a life with dignity.
I beg thee, wise user, spare me a secret
Can I just open a company there, cut the ties with my tax residency and then trade shitcoins from Poland remotely?

I can get an e-citizenship in Estonia, trade shitcoins with no capital gains tax untill I literally cash out to a bank account. Then it's either 20% if the money stays in the "company" or ~35% if it's just a plain bank transfer to my account. It doesn't suck that much, but I'd rather not pay taxes at all. Fuck welfare and fuck the gubirmint.
Cryptos were meant to be means of avoiding taxation, please tell me you can do this IRL

Can I create a shitcoin trading office in Cyprus and live the NEET dream life of a digital nomad?

Not sure if I get it right but if you're making more than 3k a month in germany it's worth to move. Because of taxes & health insurance fucks you up.

Not registered in germany anymore. Cyprus as an offical insurance like germany but got a private on top for better coverage. 350€ a month not more.

Cyprus Ltd. pays 12.5% taxes but there is no profit - no taxes then. :) My main business runs with a UAE company, the invoices are recognized in the EU and it's 0% tax.

Kein Problem Brudi!

Yeah, over 10k years of history. The romans loved cyprus. No need to enter the army!

If you cash out offshore you pay your taxes where your residence is, simple as that. If you dont, prepare the lube.

>und
kraut detected

can I change my tax residence? preferably to a country that doesn't repeatedly sodomize me when I try to live a decent life

Not much time left:
You are from the EU so you can move (preferably by years end to make a clean cut).
E-citizenship in estonia is fucked up because its 20% flat tax plus tax in your home country, the income tax or dividend tax. Its just a marketing gag, for dumb pseudo nomads.

Either be a real nomad and trade crypto with a belize IBC and pay nothing or get a residence in cyprus (not malta because having a belize IBC is fucked up then, because of CFC and no way to get the money into malta)

In a hurry mate

Yes, thats what Im talking about here my boi

Last one,
what are the nomads doing that life in Cyprus? E-commerce, Crypto, Marketing, Trading, Real Estate, Holdings etc? And how long have you worked in your field until you was able to become successful by your own?

Huge role model user!

If you got an residence youre not a nomad from my understanding. :D
But yeah 2 month min. stay and you could travel the rest. There are a lot of germans, austrians and so on here now, maybe 500 or so in their mid twenties. Although they wont be here the whole year. Most of them do crypto, marketing stuff and other freelancer things. Ecom too.

Dont rely on building a local business here because a normal wage is 700€ here and locals are more like working class. You should have your (online) business up and running first.

If you need further help or my lawyer contacts etc. send me an email bra

What if i'm Canadian with a criminal record in Canada? Is there a way around this?

Why do you want to leave Ca?
One of top tier countries worldwide, more importantly it will in the next 20-50 years.

Are there multiple types of records? Like a basic one where it's not listed?

Kek, he could come back everytime. You don't have to ditch your citizenship like I said. Residence is possible just US folks will be IRS raped becaus it's bound to their citizenship

Offline now. Provide some value, once again although I was talking with myself most of the time.

See ya

If you make over 500K , you get taxed 53.6%
It's great living here , but the taxation is a problem.

multiple records , but i will be pardoned in 5 years.

K thanks user.

i do performance marketing too let’s link up

Nice thread, how is living in Cyprus?

I also moved to another country but have had extreme trouble cutting tax residence to my cuck home country.

crypto is tax free in cyprus?

Im a eu citizen, but have a criminal record. Can i come?

The tax liability is still the country of your origin. You fucked yourself and don't even know the tax laws?

Jesus. At least pay a tax accountant for like 200€ to explain you the basic stuff.

>cutting tax residence
please elaborate. can you at least describe the process?
I wish to do it and become a tax resident somewhere else. Anything other than the IRS is better than Polish taxman. Taxes here is pretty much the metaphorical equivalent of pulling teeth and eating broken glass at the same time

In my country it is a massive pain in the ass. First of all the process is slow, expensive and you need to send all kinds of documents.

Even after I have cut all my ties and lived abroad for the entire year they rejected it on arbitrary reasons like "not long enough rental contract"

>Every EU citizen can relocate and have all legal stuff done for about 7000€.
Surely it can be done for a lot less than this. Give me a rough breakdown.

where do you live, fellow Jow Forumsraeli?

Shithole socialist scandinavian country

I am from Cyprus, anyone wanna buy my passport?

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I thought that scandinavian countries were a literal fucking paradise untill I realised that Denmark has the worst tax policy in the whole world. It doesn't matter if nordics are earning the most in Europe if they are taxed the most as well
this is just another version of tax hell, same shit, different story.
My guess is that you're Danish.
Polish govt. went full socialist as soon as our ruling party got elected. They are literally giving muh gibs for big families, so the lowest of the lowest scum get benefits so that they can breed like rabbits while working illegaly and leeching welfare.
I feel obliged NOT TO pay the fucking taxes. They are squandered. Wasted beyond human comprehension. I am robbed by filthy jews and their puppets so that they can redistribute my wealth to create more thoughtless goyim cattle for them.
It's all so tiresome.

how is it going there? do you feel the influence of your population being 20% muslim turkroach shitskins in your everyday life?
despite living in a muh 99% white "ethnostate" I feel disgusted by the presence of brown trash. They lack respect and dignity, you can see it in their eyes. They despise you because they feel superior while deep down knowing they are inferior in reality. It's a weird complex, but it becomes obvious once you interact with them in any way

relax Jow Forumsan

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there is a border with demilitarized zone between us so there isn't much interaction

Where is good to live for young people/expats? Is Paphos mostly bong pensioners?

Simply stay in Polska and help the country to reach western europe standarts. You have great developers in the country, still relatively low wages and a free market since 20 years. Do not think your life is easier anywhere else. Start your own business and use the economic rise of this beautiful country.

This country will rise from the ashes sooner or later. No immigration and motivated workforce.

Paphos is quiet for old/retired people, Limassol and Nicosia are the main cities and Ayia napa is mostly tourist area with clubs and young people. Would suggest limassol if you don't mind russians everywhere

You do not realise how bad is it in here. We don't have shitskins but we don't have basic rights either
Basically, you can't even defend yourself or others if someone breaks into your home and tries to murder you and your family. You will gt a worse sentence than the perpetrator. Forget about using guns or even weapons - then you'd get a sentence as if you were the assailant.
You get taxed into oblivion on everything, everywhere. Even the very air you breathe is taxed (no joke). The law is purposedly made to fuck you in a myriad of unimaginable ways.
Living here is possible. Living with dignity? Much, much harder. You will be working 60 hours a week if you do not have more than $100k in movable assets. Living with dignity and feeling safe for your future? Forget it.
This shithole of a country is not made to be liveable by decent people. It's not safe in here. The government is our biggest enemy.
Do you know that Poland imported the MOST immigrants in Europe during last 2 years? Not Germany, not Sweden, not France, which is literally burning right now.
It was Poland. We took almost 1m or Ukrainians last year.
Did you hear about Poland being anti-migrant? It's bullshit. We are flooded with hundreds of THOUSANDS of immigrants, not only from the east.

This is what welfare oriented socialists do to your country when they get in power. 3 years, 2000000 registered foreigners. God knows how many unregistered ukrops we have here now

OP, Have a bump, this is shit the Mutts need to read/research to get out of the third world!
Everyone should get 2 passports (citizenship)! At least! Especially the Mutts
t. 3 passports in English speaking nations, permeant resident status in a 4th

Poland will NEVER catch up to the west, we're literally 30 years behind.
A shitton of money is being pumped into us from foreign sources, but that only means we're being used.
Polish government is selling their people out. Just like it has always been.
It's a safe haven if you're a rich foreigner here, but it's hell for an avrage citizen. We have no rights. The state is an enemy of the people
You can't get ANYTHING done or fixed, it's all a scam. Every single govt. service is corrupted. Our hospitals are in terrible condition, you're more likely to get sick or die there than anywhere else.
Politicians are all scumbags, it's all beyond redemption, because they're still the same establishment we had while USSR was still a thing.
Nothing has changed. The same people rule us. We have no alternatives. No hope, no nothing.

My only hope is to run away from this hellhole.

I've posted my email in this thread bro.

Good so far. Great food.
You have to make a clean cut, moving around years end. So 2018 everything taxable in your home country, 2019 in cyprus for example.

They don't like crypto, you should trade your cryptos with an offshore company. From belize for example. 0% tax there and if you got the status in cyprus which I'm talking about here, you pull the money out of that offshore company into your personal bank account and it's not taxed.

Yes you can.

What? You pay your tax where you live. I live in cyprus. My cyprus Ltd. pays 12.5% but I keep the profit very low or 0€. My offshore companys aren't taxed in their countrys and they aren't in cyprus. It's a special status.

You can pay 50,000€ to PwC or KMPG and they sell you a shitty holding construct while I payed 7k and enjoy my life.

It's an all inclusive package. You can do more yourself, filling out forms and running from immigration office to the next office but they are fucking slow. Not worth it, trust me. Also no room to fuck things up.

Paphos is UK boomers and old people in general. Larnaca is where most peeople come.

>The tax liability is still the country of your origin
You're from the US right? Kek

Nah what he says sort of makes sense re CFC/corporation tax too but he clearly didnt see where you stipulated that this isnt an issue.

>It's an all inclusive package. You can do more yourself, filling out forms and running from immigration office to the next office but they are fucking slow. Not worth it, trust me. Also no room to fuck things up.
Can I email you? I recently visited Malta as an option but decided against it, Cyprus is now where I'm looking to move to in the next 2-3 months. Bong so need to rush.
Also what are the benefits to a UAE co compared to something more reputable like HK?

How hard is it to live behind a holding company in Cyprus? For instance, let's say that I determine how much money is required to invest in real estate to get the EU passport from Cyprus. I put the money into a holding corporation and invest in real estate. Anything I make from my portfolio I leave in the company to avoid having to pay US tax. Basically live in "company housing" and drive a "company car"

Are banks and authorities in Cyprus likely to be cooperative with me? Because Cyprus and the EU sound a lot better than being in the Cayman Islands forever.

FB advertising is still viable? How much are you making to justify such a relocation?

larnaca is just an airport city only poorfags live there

LARP or retarded?
The city center and Oroklini is full of germans and I would assume everyone makes at least 5k a month, most of them more.

MacKenzie is at the airport.

>You have to make a clean cut, moving around years end. So 2018 everything taxable in your home country, 2019 in cyprus for example
I did that, moved in 2017 but still got fucked

still poor compared to Limassol and Nicosia

Sure, why wouldn't it? What niche are you talking about? Even blackhat stuff works but get's harder everyday (nutra for example, I don't do it).

I made about 10k on average the last months. Looking forward to scale though.

Let me get this straight.

I can move to Cyprus as a EU citizen and start a one-man-company registerd in Belize so I could literally launder my crypto gains tax free. Is that it? I know I'm starting to sound dumb, but I can't believe this shit it possible and I need reassurance.

Could you please describe the process of your moving there in detail? It would shed some light on how you escaped the Matrix. Did you rent and apartament and moved there? Or did you register a company and then moved? Tell us your story, this thread is a rare gem and you're doing God's work. That's Good Karma to you, bro. Help me escape this vicious circle, I've been trying to think of a way to evade this tax bullshit and this is the most promising way I've ever come across

Wow user,
thats really sad to hear. However I get a similar anwser from many people from Polska. There must be a reason why so many people leave the country.
Braindrain will not make the situation any better but I would probably do the same as you.

Good luck.

Whatever dude, I wouldn't touch most houses with a 10 foot pole everywhere around the island. I'm living in the Q city center so the best location in larnaca. What do you got in Limassol? Those crappy towers at the beachfront? I've seen better quality even in Bangkok my nibba

>3. There is a program in england but it's fucked up and not future proof. Don't do it.

interested in this

wasn't talking about visuals, its just most businesses and money are in limassol and nicosia. Also beaches in larnaca suck and are full of rocks

However the situation improved in the last 30 years. It will take a long time to close the gap, I am sure however that it will happen if Russia will not invade PL again.

Keep knitting your Soutzoukos in the troodos mountains bro

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Step by step:
1. Cut ties with your home country before june 2019, better would be january / february.
2. Fly to cyprus, get an apartment to rent.
3. Set up your cyppriot company (a must)
4. Get your immigration documents - you got your status now
5. Get a company in belize to trade your cryptos. Tax free. Do your main business with your cyprus Ltd. or get a additional company in UAE to have 0% tax there, thus saving the 12.5% you would have with the cyprus one. Invoices from UAE are okay in the EU, you can send them to your business partners. Invoices from belize aren't because it's offshore.

>Sure, why wouldn't it?

I thought everything was saturated as hell nowadays.

I was doing blackhat a few years ago but moved on to other things because it's super high maintenance and stressful as hell. You need a constant suppy of accouts, credit cards, fresh ips, etc. Facebook is pretty anal about everything nowadays. I'm glad you're making it work though. Are you doing affiliate stuff or your own products?

People I know, my friends and peers, who moved to work in the NL still work for the minimum wage or close to minimum.
The irony is, their salaries exceed the ones that doctors get here in Poland.
I shit you not, an equivalent of an Amazon-tier wagie-cagie grunt gets as much as a 40yo surgeon would. With less stress.
On top of that, our new socialist government gives benefits to cheap labour force from Ukraine, Nepal, India (yes, India), Bangladesh (remember Rohingyans?), Turkey and many more.
Polish employers get no benefits for employing polish workers, so we're being oursourced by literal slaves from countries that are even worse than Poland
This is balantly anti-polish, the government doesn't give a fuck about us, we're flooded by immigrants worse than Sweden, Germany and France, but it's kept secret from the public.
We have a great future ahead, economically. Sadly, our demographics are fucked, we're already at ~10% of foreigners, while the media tell us it's less than 2%.
There are major cities like Wrocław where Ukrainians are more than 10% of population. They are literally putting Ukrainian language in ads now, it's a fucking nightmare. It's not as bad as arabic (think London lol), but we're fucked. Not a single young person thinks it's gonna be better in near future.

Does step 3 qualify you for residency from day 1 with 0 turnover? How much does incorporation cost and how long does it take?

Competition as always.
Doing leadgen but we are working on own products (digital). I got some FB problems you mentioned, possible to fix but expensive. I hope to get native going with our upcoming products. Scale to those 20k days!

I can recommend STM these days if you want to know whats up to date.

Didn't saw your post, email me and I will answer later as I'm already late again.

Incorporation costs about 7k€ and takes up to 3 weeks. Right now there are a lot of new companys... I've read in a UK Expats group that they are waiting 4 months or more, they need the residence for retirement I guess. Like I said, the agency I work with literally made rules and laws here, think of it like lobbyism. Thus they are fast.

user, you're a hero. You're giving me a glimpse of hope in this miserable state I found myself in. I already made my mind about going all in on Cryptos. I thought I'd eventually come up with an idea to launder it, but you gave me clues I can't ignore. I wish to know more.

What does your company do on Cyprus? Do you run a legit business or is it just a facade for your offshore stuff? If so, what gets you the most income? I understand you keep your records low, so that you don't pay unnecessary tax

The last thing I'd like you to ask is more detail about the last step
>Invoices from UAE are okay in the EU, you can send them to your business partners. Invoices from belize aren't because it's offshore.
That's where I think I got lost. Sorry but I'm not a native English speaker.

How do I do the last part again? The one where I legalise my crypto earnings from Belize on Cyprus?
Let's say the Belize company made profit. I then convert that to fiat money I have on a company account. What then? How exactly do I get that as legal, taxed money in Cyprus?

You pay those 7k for the incorporation, bookkeeping and tax consulting for the first year and the immigration stuff. Second year is about 2.5k then

>What does your company do on Cyprus?
We do online marketing right now so legit. Offshore is not a crime! But for crypto it's better to keep it out of cyprus.

I'm also not a native speaker.
Think of it like this; You send an invoice over 1000€ to your business partner. He pays the invoice and these 1000€ drive his profit down 1000€ because the invoice is accepted. This is the case with an cypriot invoice and an UAE invoice but not an belize invoice. They just laught at the belize invoice, the 1000€ he paid won't drive his profit down so he can't do business with you.

>Let's say the Belize company made profit. I then convert that to fiat money I have on a company account. What then? How exactly do I get that as legal, taxed money in Cyprus?

It's called dividends, it's your company and the company gives it's profit to you. Every quarter or so. And dividends are not taxed yeahhhhhhh

UAE invoices are accepted, HK invoices not everywhere, not sure any EU country accepts them.

More questions - email me. And if anybody did read the first post, I was looking for business tips.

Over and out

You are a hero /biz doesn't deserve but needs. I cannot overstate this
I am saving this entire thread for later
Somebody should cap the whole thing for future generations

You should get a tripcode and post more. Your posts are of excellent quality and you're helping others immensly, even if it's not apparent at the moment. That's a shitton of good karma.
I knew that laundering cryptos was still possible these days, but you have described how to do it in great detail.
I hope I'll see you around here, dear Cyprian Kraut user. Thank you so much for your effort!

>You should get a tripcode and post more. Your posts are of excellent quality and you're helping others immensly, even if it's not apparent at the moment.

Bump for this, TY based OP

So let me get this straight, if you live there 2 months a year, you can effectively shelter investments from tax dividends, what about capital gains taxes form stocks?

I guess a 2 month vacation on an island where you get like 300/365 sunny days at least would be a bareable sacrifice for such freedom

My first tripcode. Thanks guys!

You would route those cpaital gains from stocks through a company to get the money as dividends. Normal income and personal capital gains would be taxed.

Yeah 320 or so.
2 months stay but not longer than 180 days in any country. Example: 2 months cyprus, 5 months spain, 5 months portugal is okay. But if you stay somewhere more than 183 you got a "tax-residence" there. That would kill all cyprus benefits.

183 days

youre making so much in marketing ? do you shill coins on fb? where do you get your clients? do you cold msg them ? i tried some online marketing on upwrk but the pay is a joke

Can Americans do this? Tax follows you no matter what. I think you would need to renounce your citizenship. Anyone know?

bump

To get away from the IRS you have to renounce...only in Burgerland

too many shitskins though. you should really exclude any bordered area that has more then 5% non-whites. ideally you just don't want to have to see any day-to-day

I'm an EU citizen (UK but dual ROI), I'm a freelance technical writer, I earn $46.7k a year, what tax would I pay if I lived in Cyprus? I work remote so can work anywhere.

>1m Ukrainian immigrants
>into Poland
>not just internal migration within greater Russia
I don’t see the issue

Can you stop spewing bullshit.
>you can't even defend yourself
Literally the opposite, especially nowadays
rp.pl/Sady-i-prokuratura/305269974-Nowe-przepisy-okreslajace-granice-obrony-koniecznej.html
>You get taxed into oblivion on everything
Agreed, sadly the flat tax rates never materialized because of politics and nowadays there's no chance of it.
>You will be working 60 hours a week if you do not have more than $100k in movable assets
Why tho
>It's not safe in here.
Now you're just spewing bullshit or you're a leftie. You're not safe, why? Unless you live in some coal-eating shithole down south, there's no gypsies, no niggers, no sandniggers, just some random bydlo.
> The government is our biggest enemy.
Leftie
>We are flooded with hundreds of THOUSANDS of immigrants
I have no problem with ukrainians, unlike the examples above they're not here for gibs since they don't get any. They don't stand out and the some that stay here for longer actually try to learn the language. Feel free to deny it but we have common roots and common historical background, complaining about them when west is filled with ahmeds is idiotic.