Be me

>angularJS
>sqlite

Don't listen to this guy, he's either 30-40 or semi-tech and knows buzzwords

>>still no idea how to make .exe files
I'm more worried that you think this is necessary.

I wil ldefinately look at HTML6, Javascript and MongoDB
But sadly, I am a brainlet and have no idea what frameworks, frontend and backend really means, so there you can figure how fucking retarded I am

>>he suggested react
>> dont listen to this guy
you are either a brainlet or a troll, shoo shoo

that's just schools are retarded and think teaching archaic shit like Java is useful. and exe is just a binary file like you would build on Linux. just write a c or golang program and compile it. GUI shit is just libraries, mostly graphic designers and code monkeys make those from drag and drop or boilerplate frameworks. actual programmers don't give a fuck about that.

the only languages you need to learn are C11, golang, and either Python or JavaScript, anything else your school is teaching you is outdated. also never use lists, except for ordered data, always maps. then you will be a. pro

epik

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Sqlite is not a database
Redis is not a database
Mariadb is mysql
There is no such thing as HTML6
AngularJS is 7 versions behind

> muh react
You will be homeless in 5 years

>also never use lists, except for ordered data, always maps. then you will be a. pro
fuck, my teacher only taught us about lists, stacks and queues, and purposely skipped maps and sets

>There is no such thing as HTML6

oh fuck now I feel dumb. I'm never gonna make it

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you'll need stacks and queues for graph question in interviews but not when actually programming. otherwise only sets/maps

LMFAOOOOO

>Sqlite is not a database
it's used by ios
>Redis is not a database
im giving him alternatives to SQL (mongo or redis (keystore))

>Mariadb is mysql
tahts why i said mysql OR maria

>There is no such thing as HTML6
it's coming

>AngularJS is 7 versions behind
angular if you prefer

> muh react
go on suggest something i'm listening

>still no idea how to make .exe files
Even terminal/simple GUIs generate executable files.
Obvious bait...Even the Hello World program generates an executable...

Redis is good as an intermediary cache to ease strain on a database
>Everyone suggesting entering web development
>In 2018

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OP don't understand the difference between an .exe and an executable file

Whats wrong with the web development meme? Currently working through theodinproject.com and loving it but the fud is getting worse. Are skills gained in webdev not transferable?

>he doesn't use redis as the primary data store for his website
never gonna make it

Install Linucks GenTwo. It's better than GenOne trash.

>Programming is a deadens for people learning today. Pajeet and Chinese are going to outbid every westerner on every task, within five years.
So why not do something that's not saturated? Maybe get into Data Science/Machine learning Instead of being a codemonkey.

If you don't learn solidity your not gonna make it

IT Consultant or IT Security for the real gains

I got into eletronics instead of comp sci., because everything i could do, so could a third worlder for half the price. Most eletric plans require physical presence

compeng is not compsci retard

faggot

Jist in the process of being interviewed for a blockchain/security position in a big 4 company.
Fuck yes, can't wait to wageslave for that particular job.

I feel you OP, pretty similar story to yours. I'm in my 3rd year of some shitty community college CS course. Know some very rudimentary Java, Javascript, Python and database stuff but I can't program for shit. Basically slacked off for 2 years barely passing but not retaining much knowledge. I said fuck it, I need hands on experience if I'm actually going to learn anything.

So I just started applying for less techy part time positions at local software startups in the hopes of gaining experience while I'm there. Got invited to an interview and it went pretty well actually. If college/uni isn't working for you you need to get your foot in the door at a company ASAP either as a part time/temp worker or as an intern. Do everything to get some hands on experience and a company name on your resume, and also build a little portfolio with some side projects. Most hiring managers don't really care about your piece of paper but your actual experience.

>got asked what the difference is between an abstract class and an interface
>mfw I blanked out and couldn't answer the question
I'm a fucking retard. I aced the rest of the interview though so I still have hope.

Forgot my face

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are you even in university underage b&

>Pajeet and Chinese are going to outbid every westerner on every task, within five years
this

>programming

Sorry, I'm not a autistic pajeet

Never thought about cybersecurity before desu. Doesn't seem like too much of an exciting field, am I wrong?

pajeets don't have autism

How I see it is that with programming, you try to defeat an abstract problem, some piece of code.
With IT security, you are fighting the human that designed something.

Chinks won't be cheap anymore and they will flood the world with spyware infested sw.
Pajeets are undisputed, it would take insane amount of money to uplift India.

>you are fighting
based 13yo zoomer

fuck this shit seriously
> dude learn jquery
> 2 months later...wtf only pajeets use jquery now, you will never get a job
> learn angular instead
> 1 month later...new angular sucks, learn react nigga
I'm thinking about not falling for another meme and staying with vanilla JS

>>still no internships

This is what you need to worry about, and sort out as a priority.

The job market is tough. You have to be able to show you are worth employing. A good way of doing that is to show someone has already employed you.

The rest is less important (imo), and I can go in to why if youd like. Just focus on getting an internship or some actual experience.

The more frameworks you'll learn, the easier you'll grasp new ones.

You compile .exe files from your source code you mong. How embarrassing for you. Take a compiler class ffs

Play with linux during summer. Employers dont care about it only other CS majors care

No one expects you to be able to do much when you join your first job. Generally they walk you through everything and give you everything already prepared so that you have it easy to learn at first. They don't want you to improvise much because as a new guy you're not reliable yet, which means they will give you very precise instructions when they want you to do something. I used to have the same fear as you but just after getting my first job that went away quickly. In fact I learnt a lot by doing the shit they were telling me to do.

>I'm thinking about not falling for another meme and staying with vanilla JS
kek ur a brainlet, it's been obvious for 4+ years that react was the way to go and that angular and jquery was dead. Plus if you know JS well, learning react takes like 100 hours, which is nothing, you just learn while you code. Your IQ is too low to make it, sorry.

wish i could help you out bro. my best advice is, find a mentor, really. all you have to do is find someone who is in your field and looks like he knows what hes doing and ask him out for coffee. then you ask all these questions to him. you do this enough times youll start finding your way. good luck.

Sorta thread related.

I don't know anything about programming but when Link takes off I'm gonna use some of my gains to make small budget indie video games.

How do I go about hiring programmers? I don't know shit about it. My talents is in the art side of things. I don't want to fuck up and waste money hiring some programmer who doesn't even know how to make an exe file.

For the programmers in this thread. How do you like to be communicated too by any employer that is tech illiterate? How am I meant to set goals and tasks out for engine functions and game mechanics? How am I meant to know if my programmers are working and not ripping me off? Should I just hire freelance guys at firs till I learn the ropes?

lol what no that's not what I meant

also there's plenty of jobs left in retarded legacy companies, at least here in the UK plenty still look for jquery brainlets
there will literally never be a HTML6 you idiot, it's just HTML now and will stay like that

sure, which is what it's made for and what it is, a cache store. Why the fuck would you intertwine that with mysql and mongodb which are actual DBMSs used by enterprise not brainlets like is beyond me, especially when telling a collegefag what to learn. He doesn't need to touch redis for years for fucks sake.
OP if u wanna know how I made it it was by finding something passionate to web develop for, I was scripting shit for counter strike from before and then learning PHP and JS was rewarding because I could use those together with the game scripts to expand functionality and was getting praise from players.

If you can find something that will motivate u to work you can learn everything you need by googling 'how to do x', especially once you get good at breaking down the problems into small programing tasks that are likely to hit a result on google

it's worth going on the pajeet route and fucking with vanilla PHP / jquery for a while because it'll get you some results quick and keep you hooked. Don't get too deep though, jquery is garbage as a framework, you just want it for some of it's very useful JS functions / AJAX and such.

once you feel confident in your PHP and JS, at least to the level that you can read and process complex code you see (you won't understand it all at first) you choose a back-end framework to specialise in.

if you liked JS a lot more than PHP then at this point it's worth considering whether you wanna go on the nodejs route, so full javascript stack

if not then for PHP it's pretty much Laravel or Symfony or you're jobless. Laravel is built on Symfony and is a lot more noob friendly so I went with and suggest that.

>cont

>CompEng
Isn't that hardware or IT? I'd think that you'd get CompSci for coding.
You seem like you're on the right track. Don't worry too much about networking if you're really going into software. Internship is helpful. List internships, major class assignments, research, etc. in your resume, and be prepared to discuss them in job interviews. Know the fundamentals. Good luck.

next is front-end for which it's React, Angular or Vue.js

Vue is pretty meh when compared to the other two but it'll still land you a job and once you get good at it skills are transferable enough to pick up Angular or React quickly. The benefit is that vue is simpler and already somewhat integrated into Laravel. I went with Angular because my job forced me, I only had vanilla JS when I first started. Angular is becoming a beast with the recent updates and the stuff that's next in the pipeline, and will likely not go anywhere soon as it's being developed by Google and they use it for a lot of their platforms. It also has google material design fully integrated which will be a massive bonus when building sites, they will look professional not pajeet tier.
Then there's React which has a huge following and some very shitty drawbacks. First, you are pretty much forced to adopt the Redux pattern when developing under it, because of it's autism tier lockdown on MVC. If you go without redux you won't get a job, and trust me, it's not something simple to wrap your head around.

Then there's the fact that React is backed by Facebook, a technologically questionable company with an even more questionable future given all the shit that's coming out.
So take your pick then work hard. Work on shit sites for yourself until you get to the point your work is presentable to the public. Try finding some pajeet work on forums for scraps just for the sake of being challenged to do work tasks, it'll also add to your portfolio. If that doesn't work out then just do personal projects and publish them. Open source is even better but not by a long shot, don't kill your chances of getting lucky with a project that has a lot of work and promise behind it just for the ease of showing it off when jobhunting.
>cont

If you get to the point where you can confidently say you can work on small to medium tasks on both front and back-end and have a couple of projects to show as proof that is a guaranteed entry level position, not internship bullshit.

Build a killer CV (put some serious effort into that, it's literally your summary on a page). Put your very sought after skills and exp on the first page, a lot of people don't do that. Nobody gives a crap about misc shit, keep it to the point whilst hitting as many 'buzzwords' and highlighting as many skills as possible. Don't be afraid to use the absolute best wording for your accomplishments as long as they're still true.
Start networking like crazy on LinkedIn. You should start this right now if you don't have a profile yet, make a very good profile that mirrors your CV, add some media shit like photos and whatnot. Once you get keywords on there, you'll start getting messages from recruiters. They get a lump sum based on your yearly salary if they match you to a job and you get it, so keep in mind they're pretty desperate and not really looking out for you. Still every time you get an InMail you respond with 'no thanks but I'd love to keep in touch' and then you send an invite. By the time you've polished your skills you'll have a good selection of regional recruiters you can immediately message for a call and trust me they will do their best to get you a job for that fucking cut.

>The rest is less important (imo), and I can go in to why if youd like. Just focus on getting an internship or some actual experience.
I know it probably differs from country to country but I have no idea where I can find internships
I looked at some but they required me to be good in database and backend languages too

Which country are you in?

> My gf also use my PC and it wouldn't be good if this suddenly turned into a terminal-OS for her

Download and learn to use Virtualbox right now. Also Vagrant and Ansible while you're at it.

Norway

You finally got it. It's the fundamentals of Javascript that matter

I already know how to use virtualbox from school
Actually running Ubuntu right now on Virtualbox

Get an internship at a game dev shop to learn the process first

Fuck my shit up guys dont tell me soft engineering is dead in the future. I just started bros plz sirs man comn. So IT is the shit? In IT you need EXPERIENCE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE so it is valuable. Some nerd monkey can't learn it in his basement.

Software engineers will still be required in the future, although there's going to be increasingly massive downward pressure on wages as the job market gets increasingly saturated. The glory days are over; they ended maybe 3-5 years ago. There's still money to be made, but you're going to have to work a lot harder for the same reward now.

From my experience...

To look for internships, choose an industry and make a list of all the companies you can in that industry. Use Google or whatever.

Work through the list, company by company. Go to their website. Check if they are taking interns in your country. If yes, submit an application. Dont get too caught up on exactly what the internship is. Obviously go for whatever suits you best. But if they dont have anything directly related to what you study, go for something else.

The UK jobs market for graduates is terrible. So many graduates, seemingly no where near enough graduate level jobs. Getting an internship isnt even about standing out any more, its about keeping up with the rest of the people youre competing against.

Perhaps you can afford to be more fussy if the job market isnt as competitive. Im not too sure what its like for you.

So what's the next hype train? IT, cloud, security?

Ok , good.

OP, maybe you just need to decide what exactly it is you would like to do, and then start working towards that goal?

If you want to do webdev, some Linux admin skills is going to be a must. Virtualized is fine, that's what your target servers are likely to be anyway. Also, you will (believe me, you WILL) want to learn at least one of following: Ansible, Chef, Puppet. Seeing you already know some Python (and other reasons too, like "agentless") you might find Ansible worth your while.

I'm not sure what your goals for GUI programming are. Assuming you are not referring to webdev with it, I'd say ask yourself where do you actually need it?

If you still want to learn it, pick your tools of choice (I hear Visual Studio is actually good If you're developing for Windows) and then start cranking through tutorials.

One or two years ago it was AI and neural networks. No idea what it is these days.

AI still, now also with blockchain. No, really. Not any of the tokenomics shitshows though, but permissioned stuff for serious companies.

I live in Australia there are no game developers in my country. A few have tried, they all failed. If there are any indie studio's here that I don't know about they are probably so small and poor they don't need to hire interns. Besides what would I do aside from make coffee. I have no skills they need.

Just become a diversity officer. Immediate hiring upon graduation.

If you have the time and money, maybe look for a college course on game development?

You sound like you're in your sophomore year. Relax, you have time. Apply to internships, if that doesn't work, check out what your favorite professors are working on and see if you can work under them for the summer. Also ask your professors first about what you should work on to be a competitive applicant. They could give you pointers or know a guy and this is the first step to networking.

When Link takes off, I plan on opening an animation studio. I've failed miserably regarding getting into the industry but I have a friend who works at Disney who I plan to coax into joining me in running it.

If that fails, I'll keep checking what my friends are doing. But in your case, since you'll have time on your hands, you need to start becoming tech literate. You definitely should ask a gaming development company if you can take on an internship, even if it's unpaid. The knowledge will be invaluable. I plan on doing the same if I can't convince my friend to take the leap.

Maybe I will do that if it's not too expensive.

Man why do all us Linkies have such grand ambitions? I love it. I hope you succeed. You are the second Linkie I've talked too that wanted to do animation (unless you are the same guy, but I doubt it he wanted to do 2D anime). There is another Linkie like me who wanted to make vidya as well, and there is a Linkie who wants to open western catering nudie maid cafe's in Japan too. I think there was also a Linkie who wanted to make movies.

What is it about Link that attracts those with grand visions? What did all the Bitcoin earlier adopters do aside from buy drugs and become autistic over blocksize, forks and trying to replace fiat.

To do any unpaid internship though I'd have to go overseas. I guess I could holiday in California for a few weeks and hang around studio's there. I wonder if I could just tour the studio. My younger brother is a programmer and so far my plan is similar to yours, have him help me out and try to get him to join my company, and have him manage all the technical aspects of the game and talk to the programmers, while I deal with the art side and create levels and manage all the sound and graphical stuff. I've got experience working on short films during uni for some projects, so I can communicate to artists quite well.

It's just that my brother is only halfway through his CS degree so if Link takes off before 2020 I will be without him, because I imagine it would be awkward for a current student to be working and managing with guys who have years of experience.

When Link moons my plan is to fund a shrine to kek

>Man why do all us Linkies have such grand ambitions?

Imagine being a position where you never have to work again and you have all the money you could possibly dream of. In that scenario, what would you do? This is why all of us want to do these big things; we'd be wasting our money, letting it rot otherwise. I am only considering this I have ~25K and expect Link to rise above 10K and higher than the bitcoin so I can have hundreds of millions in the future.

My current gameplan is to screw around for a year. I want to travel, learn Japanese and go through my backlog of books to make sure I'm prepared for when I attempt to make a achieve my goals. And I also want to hit up a physicist I've worked under to see if I can work under him again because I want to build up some skills and he's well connected in the industry in NYC so I can see if there are any investment opportunities and to stay informed in the tech and science industry.

And while I do intend to try my hand at an animation studio, I am going to try out some much smaller projects first. Like those doujin doujins, I kind of want to see if I can contact those artists for sequels for character designs I liked and get them to build a product for me.

Ideally, I'd want to see a discord or some way to connect and network with other Link Marines as ideas, information, and contacts will be the real gold, especially if the contacts are HONEST. But the discord I hear that's out right now, has a really bad reputation. I really don't want to work with jokers and people who put others down. We can't afford such types.

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>I'd want to see a discord or some way to connect and network with other Link Marines as ideas, information, and contacts will be the real gold, especially if the contacts are HONEST.

Same here and same reservations as you. I want to keep in contact with other marines once Mainnet is out. But pre mainnet the discord is gonna be filled with price speculators and pajeets and will not be worth using. A whale with a few million Link posted last month and said once mainnet is out he wants to have an annual link meetup event for those with oer 10k IIRC, for contacts and networking and all that.

Can you imagine it 20 years from now, us Linkies will be like blockchain freemasons, with secret handshakes and backroom business deals among friends, conquering the world together with our secret network.

>I want to travel

Same, I've never been to Japan but I want to go. I want to fuck around Europe and SEA and spend a few months in Thailand too. But at the same time I've already wasted a lot of time in the last few years not doing much, I sorta want to jump right into the action. I've got so many ideas for games I want to make. I just gotta figure out which ones will be the easiest, simplest, smallest an cheapest ones and start with those and get more complex later on. If Link nodes give out as big of an income as we hope, it will give leeway for a bit of early failure and learning experiences making indie games wouldn't even be much of a hurdle. I mean indie games, comparitivley aren't that expensive to make. Pic related.

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>A whale with a few million Link posted last month and said once mainnet is out he wants to have an annual link meetup event for those with oer 10k IIRC, for contacts and networking and all that.

Yeah, I remember, he initially said the threshold was 30K but might lower it closer to the singularity. I hope he does, I dunno if I'll hit the threshold in time though I am seriously close.

>Can you imagine it 20 years from now, us Linkies will be like blockchain freemasons, with secret handshakes and backroom business deals among friends, conquering the world together with our secret network.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately actually. I'd love a ring or something to show we're in the "secret club" so to speak. Where we get together for yearly events to talk (more so gloat) about how we've changed the scope of the world with our projects, and possibly inspire the NEETs who skyrocketed to financial freedom to do impact the world in some way. I also need it because even though I have ideas, to bring a project from concept to fruition is a VERY DIFFICULT thing to do, at least for me. I will need the INTJ and ISTJ support as I can't for the life of me stick to a plan and am a massive procrastinator.

And I've also thought about opening a game studio, it will be up to my friend in what direction he wants to go since he'll have the animation experience and the connections. I don't mind either, I just want a studio that creates interesting projects. Of course, they'll have to be low budget games. AA tier games are absolutely out of the cards. At least until we're established and have a series that calls for a jump in production values moving onto a sequel.

Except fuck the internship trap. Find a junior position that says you need 3 years of experience and apply anyways. The "___ years of experience" is a wall for mental midgets. If you're confident in your skills, you can get any junior position. Just believe in yourself for one god damn time until you get the jobs.

Why are young adults still learning coding unless they are fucking mathematical geniuses?

There are billions of people in India and China and millions are being shat out of coding school every year to work for wagecuck firms that do the majority of coding for western companies.

Soon computers will program themselves anyway.
Who convinced you learning JAVA is a good career?
People who made it in the 90s?

>There are billions of people in India and China and millions are being shat out of coding school every year to work for wagecuck firms that do the majority of coding for western companies.
There's millions of pajeets and chinks for every job, if you live in the west just kys by your logic

A lot of it is autists/ incels/ betas/ gentlemen gamers, whatever fucking meme word you know the type of person I'm referring to. These guys need a strategy which suits their situation so they can have a chance at living a good life. Comp Sci/ IT/ STEM fits the criteria well so these guys ego-invest in these fields for years.

They aren't attractive or outgoing enough to get girlfriends through conventional socialising, and they aren't confident or extroverted enough to make money through conventional jobs.

Not that these careers aren't valid choices for those with the aptitude, I'm just tired of these sociopathic meme-spouting Jow Forums/ Reddit programmer dorks shitting up every board. The arrogance of these posters is consistently enraging.

TRT if you are low test and microdosing LSD helps.

dont do that, java is dead

javascript is unironically made it, everyone hates it, i never learned cuz everyone was saying how shitty it was, now it's powering everything basically

this guy knows

what is an abstract class and what is an interface?

You're wrong. C/C++/C#/Asm powers everything. Javascript's purpose is for web browsers, only recently it started to make forays into other fields like server-side and iot, but it's always over a lower interpreter layer coded in a more suitable language and comparatively horribly inefficient and slow. Its only purpose is to make shitty coders useful for more things than only web design, its popularity fueled by managers, bosses and HR wanting to simplify their job by hiring a "one size fits all" programmer allowing them to save costs and produce shittier product.

Lol, spot the deluded Chink or Pajeet. There's more coding jobs today than ever - you try getting a pajeet to build you a decent Web app in React/Angular/Vue, with decent unit testing, following CI/CD methodologies, that looks good and talks to a blindingly fast Rust backend while leveraging GraphQL to talk to your DB in a typesafe way & communicating with a bunch of IoT devices. Good luck pajeets, I'm getting a ton of work cleaning up your messes. 1 White man with a decent amount of knowledge & the right tools is orders of magnitude more productive than entire teams of pajeets right now, so in reality we're still far cheaper to higher. Don't worry, I'll hire you if some retard wants a WordPress site or something else in your league.

And nobody with half a brain outsources to Chinks, perfect way to have a project never complete/get stolen/hacked/generally fucked up.

Even then - Webassembly is about to take over anyway. Just need IE to die off a little more, then we can all kiss JS goodbye & develop everything in C, C++ or Rust depending on your mood/preferences. Polyfills for asm are getting decent actually, and the Yew framework (clientside SPA framework compiled from Rust to Webassembly) is looking pretty decent. 2019 might be the year we can finally ditch JS entirely.

thread was good until you deluded linkies showed up

If you think that you investing in a memecoin grants you membership in a club and thus special status and success in the business world, you're retarded. Please stay in financial/political/scam/salesman sector and masturbate to your ego there.

im so tired of all the tools/frameworks/languages one has to learn to be decent, what do

meaning i know a little bit about all that you wrote, but theres literally no time to get in-depth knowledge on something, im forever stuck in jack-of-all-trades mode and i have no idea what should i invest more time in

also how old are you?

Just apply to a job. You will learn this stuff there.

i tagged myself but i was asking