>he doesn't believe fully automated luxury communism is the future
>he doesn't realize that capitalism creates the technology and wealth and crises that will lead to its replacement
>he doesn't realize that in a purely efficient system, profit and therefore wages will cease to exist
>he isn't a jacked antifa super soldier with 300 confirmed bikelocks
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Why was marx so based?
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Agreed with the first 3 points, the last one is just bullshit.
Conservative communism is where its at. You can't influence shit to make communism come. It comes by itself.
this utopia only exists when our population is culled pretty drastically, and only for homogenous white societies that have managed to solve the shitskin problem.
>he believes the elites are kind enough to keep his useless ass alive
>he believes they're just going to take care of him for free
>he believes the elites can't get on a private jet and flee on a moments notice
>he shills his retarded ideas on biz 20 times a day as if we care
If you ever meet the elite, you'll find yourself in the company of Marxists.
Do you think Gates, Musk, Soros et al are really opposed?
The current system is supported only by the bourgeoisie. In our age, the bourgeoisie owns car dealerships, chain restaurants, and builds awful strip malls and complains about paying more than minimum wage and that their macchiato took to long. They have no aesthetic sense, perform no labor, and act as leeches on society as they collect the rents.
Marx was a Luddite retard with zero technical vision. The fact that industry/capitalism has exhibited democratic decentralized changes is explicitly considered impossible by Marx.
Marx was not a Luddite. That's nonsense and you've clearly not read even a page of Marx.
You're the moron being made fun of in OP's pic
A mode of production works everywhere the same.
Take feudalism. It was europe mode of production but japan as well.
Capitalism itself went everywhere.
It is capitalism that create mass migration in europe with africans and in north america with the latinos. Capitalism needs cheap labor, and dump the wages. Thus mass immigration is encourage by the capitalist elite.
I am all for a white europa and i think capitalism is obsolete.
In a mode of production not centered around wages and wage cuck (proletarian), there is no need to import africans and north africans. Since the motor of a post capitalist mode of production will not be centered around profit, there is no need to increase profit by importing africans.
However, i have to say that the africans are slowing down the transition to a post capitalist society since such a society needs to be highly efficient to start. The africans are decreasing efficiency of western societies, so it'll take longer. Eventually, we'll be there, because if africans slow down the process, they don't (and can't) stop it.
With a post capitalist society, at first they will try to come even more in the west, but once we are in, they will just stay in africa because they'll have no reason to come in the west, since africa will import the post capitalist mode of production, even if it'll take half a century for them to do so.
> He doesn't realize that nothing happens if we don't make it happen and nobody is making the luxury robots happen
Tbh, a fully automated world is what I want to do.
I want to be the Elon musk of "nobody has to work just to live in luxury ever again" instead of the Elon musk of "let's go to the moon".
If link moons, I'm jumping on this. Otherwise, I dunno. I was saving money to quit my job and start businesses but then I went all in on crypto, like 60/40 jnt/link, and now I am going to need a couple years to save another $100k from working.
Could live somewhere cheap on that but don't want to give up my ability to live and date in a nice part of Manhattan.
Anyway, back to the drawing board...
>fully automated luxury communism is the future
Every time there has been a huge leap in automation, communist fags have said this. Implicit in Marx's work is that he believed he lived in the most productive paradigm that ever would be, which was obviously retarded. There will always be perceived inefficiency to overcome, so keep dreaming wannabe eschaton fags.
Its absolutely adorable how this imageboard turns from Ancap central to a Socialist circlejerk whenever the NEETS start losing money.
There will always be a desire for more and there will always be more for those who work for it.
I would like to make it possible for everyone to own their own private mechanism for producing food, clothing, shelter.
At first, just terrible quality. Suitable for giving homes to any neet willing to move to the middle of nowhere and barely survive. Just to prove it's possible to enable everyone to have the obvious things, as a starting point.
But over time, make it better. Maybe ten years later, it's not everything one neet needs to live uncomfortably, like a monk, without ever having to work, but instead advanced to the point where it can provide everything a family of three needs to survive, albeit miserably.
Ten years later, maybe a comfy but barren lifestyle. Certainly not luxury.
But eventually, luxury, if we can just make it a little bit better.
I don't think going with communism and sharing everything is the obvious way forward. Instead, I wonder, can we make everyone a capitalist? As tech advances, time is likely to become our greatest resource. Those who haven't had their jobs automated should have personal factories to let them spend their time however they like.
Utopia is not achievable. Having all your needs fulfilled is not a meaningful life. It is a hellscape devoid of purpose.
>a fully automated luxury communism
Automation is a meme. It only works for simple tasks in highly controlled and specific environments (like in factories or labs).
Enlighten yourself
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Who ensures you get your "fair" share? You want some AI in charge of that? Someone will still have the ability to program it so it will still be a human in charge of ensuring you get your "fair" share and we'll see how you feel when you have to go without for the good of everyone.
Every retarded 18-23 year old in America goes through this phase, but make sure you're one of the retards that grows out of it not one of the pathetic cases who ends up a 50 year old working in a record store with no one to listen to your idealistic ramblings that have no relevance in the real world.
non-capitalism only works when everybody is a homogenous group of like minded individuals. you're never going to see universal basic income, or any non-capitalistic tendencies when it would mean giving your money away to people who you fundamentally do not respect as humans.
Having all my needs fulfilled means I can spend my time tinkering with cool shit that I would never dream of attempting while under contract with my employer.
I would love to build all kinds of cool dapps or ai tools and robot butlers etc but my employer would own it all.
Elites are waiting for only one thing:
-ai based recycling and production
When they achieve it we will be useless to them. We mined so much minerals that can be enought for them to live like kings.
90% of cost was to extract metals from ores. Now if population drops to 100 million it will be enought of it for everyone. Machines will take our place in recycling when elites poison us.
>He wants to be equal to others
Imagine been like this.
Retard... The bots will built the dapps... Its already happening.
>nobody has to work just to live in luxury ever again
Why do commies think they're entitled to other people's labour.
Isn't your whole shtick about not letting the capitalist take the fruits of labour from the workers.
>he defines himself by comparing himself to other people
Beta normie NPC mindset.
you're sooner to have mandatory cuck sessions under the neoliberal Marxist regime of equality than you are a white Europe
in a Marxist society EVERYTHING is shared, women included
Show me where Marx called the internet or the invention of the computer. He explicitly states several times in his writing that all capitalist entities will strive to consolidate and monopolize yet our technological advancements are encouraging the exact opposite. Marx literally said that kind of behavior from capitalist entities is IMPOSSIBLE.
So maybe Luddite wasn’t the right word, ignorant is a better one.
It's the perspective of a NEET.
"Fully automated luxury" is just a futuristic version of having your parent/guardian provide for you for the rest of your life.
>Having all my needs fulfilled means I can spend my time tinkering with cool shit that I would never dream of attempting while under contract with my employer.
Top kek
Thats why you're shit posting on an anonymous Chinese basket weaving forum in your free time right?
>technology advanced enough for fully automated luxury society
>still using a shitty centralized system like communism or capitalism
>in a purely efficient system profit and therefore wages will cease to exist
Agreed, and since we're both rational people and agree purely efficient systems do not exist outside specific sets of semiconductors and exotic states of matter, wages and profit motive are necessitated by the need to create upward momentum on efficiency in an inherently inefficient system.
Communism would only be possible in a post-scarcity society where you can create a huge number of anything extremely fast and with very little resources. We are very far from that and it's a question if we will every get there.
It's more likely that the rulers and the creators of all the technology would decide that we aren't needed anymore and see us all killed off slowly.
Elites aren't going to take care of you faggots with your "luxury communism"
You're going to be culled by their army of useful idiots and robots
The Elites are NEVER going to give up their position, even in a Communist Society they will simply influence from afar or become the upper echelon party members
I don't want to be equal to some crack addict nigger, so fuck off.
capitalism is liberty and freedom of disassociation
communism is collectivism and the absence of the freedom to disassociate
anyone who has read into matters that deal with society and says that capitalism is what has been driving things to shit (or that it even exists anymore) is either truly an NPC or wants to make themselves more powerful than everyone else by seizing control of the power that already exists, rather than making more
why would useless fucking migrants from shithole countries go somewhere where they both can't live off of welfare, and have to be competitive
crypto-backed ethno-enclaves that exist within an ancap nation are inevitable
some will be host to more successful and powerful individuals than others, largely because of genetic factors
that is the nature of things
>You want some AI in charge of that?
That sounds fantastic, if we're talking future AI that is capable of doing so reliably. This obviously removes human vector in decision making process once AI was fed enough data.
>not vulnerable to corruption
>not vulnerable to ideology clouding judgement
>not held down by bureaucracy
>always chooses the optimal solution
>works 24/7 to improve itself further
AI this smart could straight up cause Iceland to turn into a global power within a decade since any decision it takes would be the best one. How can you be too fucking basic to see the possibilities?
>A guy from the 19th century wasn't aware the internet would be invented 200 years later therefore his critique of Capital is wrong
Wtf did your brain short circuit or skip rendering completely user
AI is shit because it disregards the aspect of raw human emotion, which is what makes us who we are and is an essential part of life and the human experience.
We could actually just run a lot of society through smart contracts.
Democratic liberal government could almost entirely be replaced by an app where we just vote for what we want
Shut the fuck up with your straw man. I claimed Marx was technologically ignorant and as another user pointed out, Marx actually believed he was living in peak human technology. Turns out that wasn’t the case. Now not seeing highly impactful technology developments coming is forgivable if you are an average person, but it doesn’t cut it if you are trying to create an economic philosophy that’s irrevocably relevant.
What's Adam Smith's excuse for failing to predict the iPhone, then?
>Someone else will do my work for me
>I'll live in luxury
>Because they'll give me what they made
Communist Manifesto in a nutshell
a bunch of hegelians battling over two shitty ideologies. fuck off both of u lots.
can we have a dialectic
btw I'm of the opinion that socialism can work in the future because planned economies work much better with live data feeds rather than the slow reaction times of the past
ethereum fintech debt based socdem is the cutting edge marxpill right now i think.
Raw human emotion includes jealously, anger, lust, greed, sorrow, pride. Those should have no place in the management of human society.
You vision is what happens at the end of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
Capitalism final crisis will be the moment when we transition from a mode of production centered around division of labor and profit to your vision of the future.
Actually the pointer that we're doing all the work and the money is being taken by the rich, but okay (nice try)
>Who ensures you get your "fair" share? You want some AI in charge of that? Someone will still have the ability to program it so it will still be a human in charge of ensuring you get your "fair" share and we'll see how you feel when you have to go without for the good of everyone.
Like human politician are so much better than AI.
In such a system you wouldn't even notice the AI. Do you notice the subtleties of your search engine algorythm? GPS? Autonomous car? Maybe it is not suited best for you, but do you even notice it?
Bingo. The past had only the price mechanism. We now live in a society where a central authority can ingest billions of data points in real time
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So this is what communists believe nowadays
Smith doesn’t have the contemporary philosophical following that Marx has and I didn’t claim Smith as being relevant.
An AI that only chose the best solutions possible would literally kill off all colored people and gas the retards.
It doesn't mean he's retarded, but it does mean he was wrong. As user stated, centralization isn't the defacto future. It could be if people are retarded enough to allow it.
>debt based
Kikes always show their true colors.
Im open to trying a form of communism in the future. The problem with communism is they are anti hierarchal. I think with automation no one should have to work. But if someone wants to become exceptional they should have that right
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The Left is dead
Long live the Left
no surprise that socialists have swooped into cryptocurrency like the parasites they are. it was originally developed by anarchists, then capitalists came in to make money and made better shit, now the faggot socialists come in, fat and pimple faced like usual, trying to leach off of everyone else.
it's truly 10/10 knowing that this shit will never work. my favorite part is all the communist advocates would be the first to be killed off by the (((communist))) party.
anarchy is tamed by the socialists to make it even more marketable for even more people. chill out and dance together. =)
Lol all open source devs are literally L I T E R A L L Y communists and Satoshi had no other public political beliefs than vague distrust of the financial system
Socialists have never accomplished shit besides famine and failure. it was the US Founding Fathers and the Nationalist Socialist Party that truly tamed anarchy in their respective times on this Earth. Like I said, you're all inferior humans only kept alive because capitalists invested in modern medicine, developing it so that even the weakest of human vermin (you) could be kept alive. I truly despise the idea of runts like you being kept alive, but it is what it is. When you face the real world, especially the working class that despises you, you will run away scared.
>The current system is supported only by the bourgeoisie. In our age, the bourgeoisie owns car dealerships, chain restaurants, and builds awful strip malls and complains about paying more than minimum wage and that their macchiato took to long. They have no aesthetic sense, perform no labor, and act as leeches on society as they collect the rents.
This is extremely accurate.
sweetie, u need some more neoliberal education before u can join the adult conversations.
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i hate all you racist nazi's so much. the only reason communism has never worked is because it has never been real communism.
They support Marxism because it keeps them in power and it’s easy to spoonfeed to the lazy
Technocract theocracy is the only one that is enjoyable and still gives us purpose. Prove me wrong.
holy fuck I am so sick of the communist shilling on this board, fuck it's fucking annoying
/leftypol/ raids are getting on my motherfucking nerves
Imagine getting this ass blasted over the next natural step for civilization. You seem unable to even have a dialectic.
You can’t even show evidence for the labor theory of value, you don’t deserve a dialectic
It's best for all retarded poltards to leave. Biz is an ideology free zone.
>over the next natural step for civilization
You know, people who hate communism ain't fighting against your utopian fantasies.
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you all need to understand that social design does not work, it goes against the wealth creation . Just That is enough
you're right, value is literally 100% bullshit. so, why do you continue to prop up this system of gigantic bullshit?
I have 20 yards of linen from which I make one coat
>the only reason communism has never worked is because it has never been real communism.
Indeed bolshevism wasn't communism. It was state capitalism. The owner of the means of production was the state.
About nazism, it was definitely capitalist as well. (see Anthony C. Sutton)
All our money is being taken by the government, the rich are our customers. Or do you not provide actual goods and services that people desire/need?
Yes, the bourgeoisie are scum. But they're more open to your faggotry than the working class. No coal miner wants a gay son.
>le just engage with me
no fuck off. the elites aren't going to take care of you like your mommy. they're going to sterilize everyone. youre going to be living in a bunkbed style dorm with DeQuan and Rasheed and have to participate in mandatory cuck sessions watching your girlfriend get fucked. it's not going to be this lax paradise you're imagining, you're going to be a poor fuck sharing a room with 3 other people. the biggest difference between now and your communist paradise, if you refuse to participate in your mandatory cuck sessions you're going to be shot.
god i hope you fucking die, i'd love to bash your fucking head in with a brick IRL for shilling your stupid ass ideology.
Not an argument
Debunked
If no one wants your coat, the linen is worth more. Your labor would actually reduce the material value because a shitty coat has less applications than yards of linen.
It’s so telling that nobody can provide even ONE BIT of evidence for the labor theory of value. Let that sink in!
ok, ill keep fighting capitalism by buying DOGE. i only can fight memes with memes it seems like.
diminishing returns dumbass
You can return deez nutz
Not an argument, zero sources, debunked
You can succeed by being a great employee
capitalists are right about that value is NOT based on labor, because it's literally arbitrary and based on lining the bourgeois' pockets. i don't advocate capitalism nor communism. right now, i think that amoral value nihilism is the way to go. just get that number up, no matter how irrational it is.
I can’t believe nobody has offered any evidence for the labor theory of value yet
yeah no. im not gonna do something that i don't like just to get bigger pointless numbers. what i want to do is to enjoy my creation of production.
you wont enjoy the creation of your production when your position is assigned to you by the state
If the ways of the proletariat differ from yours perhaps you are wrong? Isnt the point for them to set themselves free?
why do you think i'm all in on crypto? im not a fan of state capitalism too.
So go do it, what’s stopping you
access to liquidity to purchase ~1 million usd in solar panels
Fag, start with $10k. Doubt you need $1MM, you'll fail, easily. I know this based off how retarded you are
What job did the market assign you, user? Your dream job, right?
Get a job and save up